McCain: Prolonged execution was 'tort...

McCain: Prolonged execution was 'torture'

There are 63 comments on the Click Orlando story from Jul 26, 2014, titled McCain: Prolonged execution was 'torture'. In it, Click Orlando reports that:

Arizona has temporarily halted executions after the prolonged death of a convicted killer during an execution described by Sen. John McCain and others as tantamount to torture.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Click Orlando.

xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#57 Jul 28, 2014
These are People wrote:
Well, xxxrayted, I am sure if a loved one of yours is ever on death row for a murder he did not commit then I am sure that it wouldn't matter whether there were many innocent people wrongly convicted or just your loved one. Do not believe it cannot happen. If you check out some of these stories of the innocent then you will find that none of them every believed this could happen to them.
You believe in executing ones with irrefutable evidence against them, you say. Well, how do you determine who those are when there are those that have been on death row that were innocent?
If we would hold prosecutors more responsible as I have stated earlier we might not have as many innocent people sitting on death row. If they were not withholding evidence and fighting to keep evidence from being tested then maybe our system could be improved. We have a person on death row now in Texas that the prosecutor is fighting to keep the evidence from being tested and his reason is that the defending attorney could have had the evidence tested at time of trial. Well, should this person die because he had an unqualified attorney?
Newer technology limits our ability to make mistakes you say--but is it often not being tested because of the fight against it by the prosecuting attorney? Also, what about the cases where there is no DNA evidence?
You tell me to find a better system. Well, I have just told you one way to improve the one we have. If you want to fight for something then why don't you fight for that?
<quoted text>
So just how does one fight for that?

I'm assuming that if it were possible to make any and all evidence admissible, you would then be okay with the death penalty?

For every one person that has a loved one wrongly convicted of murder, there are at least a thousand people that have to console a person that lost a loved one to a murder.

Ever watch those forensic science shows they usually run on Sunday's? Very interesting. What's more interesting is how much evidence they have to collect in order to get any kind of trial for a suspect.

Irrefutable evidence? I would say video tape is pretty irrefutable. Testing the material inside a suspects car and finding blood or hair that matches the victim is pretty irrefutable. Or testing a suspects home for verifiable evidence is pretty irrefutable. For home invasions, getting prints of the suspects shoe is pretty irrefutable. Same goes for fingerprints or DNA of hair samples in the home or on the windows where the suspect entered the home.

These are just at the top of my head. Again, those forensic shows.

I remember one show they had. The body of the victim was found wrapped up in a plastic trash bag. What they found is that each box of trash bags has it's own lot number. Under a microscope, no two lots are the same because they each have their own set of stretch marks because of the way they are made. They are like fingerprints. They got a warrant to search for trash bags inside of the suspects home, and the box they took from the suspects home had the exact same markings on it as the bag the victim was wrapped up in. Yep, irrefutable if you ask me.
These are People

Fort Worth, TX

#58 Aug 9, 2014
Well, XXXRATED, II answered you once a good while back, but I see for some reason it did not make it, so will try again.
Yes, I have watched all those shows that you mentioned and still do. I know there are some very guilty people that sometimes they have a hard time convicting--but there are also those that are convicted that should not be. You see, I once felt the same as you about this justice system and the death penalty.
On Sundays also try watching the Death Row stories on Sunday evenings on CNN. There are also cases like Michael Morton who was convicted and took many years to free him. Why did it take so long? It took so long because the prosecutor had not shared about other evidence they also had. When learned of the evidence, the prosecutor then fought for years to keep the evidence from being tested. Although we have many great and wonderful prosecutors we have these that should not be there. This is what I don't like. There should be more punishment for these and not just a slap on the wrist if any punishment is even rendered at all. Look at both side of the issue as I have.
You seem to feel that since there are more people comforting someone that lost someone than there is grieving for one that has been wrongly convicted that somehow this seems to make it OK. As I said before, think of that innocent one dying as your own--really imagine it--then you will understand more why I feel that way. I once told this to a very cold hearted person here on this board. I told him to hear their voice screaming out and see the pain on their face and then see if he still felt as you do. I think he said something about me being a monster or something. So you see, if you really imagine it, if you can really see that as one of your own, then it is a different story.
With nearly all the innocent, it has taken someone with money or the Innocence Project to take on these cases and free the person that should not be there. As far as evidence, I feel any evidence that is requested to be tested should be tested. There should be no prosecutor on the other side fighting to keep it from being tested. If the prosecutor is so sure of what they will find, then why does he not want it tested?
These are some of the reasons why I feel as I do. It took me years to turn from your side to seeing the other side.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#59 Aug 9, 2014
Did you ever ask yourself what if some of these death row people that were later found not-guilty really were guilty? I mean, if a judge or jury can get it wrong by sentencing somebody to execution, can't they be just as wrong by setting them free?

I took the liberty to look up how many people that were on death row were exonerated. I found 29 since 1970. That's 29 people in 45 years in the entire country. But I want to point out some of these:

987

Joseph Green Brown. He was re-arrested in 2012 and charged with another murder in North Carolina.

1989

On April 8, 2010, former death row inmate Timothy B. Hennis, once exonerated in 1989, was reconvicted of a triple murder, thereby dropping him from the list of those exonerated.[15]

2000

Earl Washington, Jr., Virginia (pardoned). Convicted 1994 (1984, without life sentence).[22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerat...

We can get it wrong both ways as you see. And in a few cases, it cost even more innocent lives.

So the next question I have is, does this warrant a halt to executions in this country? And if so, what impact would that have on our murder rate?
These are People

Fort Worth, TX

#60 Aug 10, 2014
Well, XXXRated, I do NOT agree that the death sentence lowers the crime rate. Look at what the statistics show. All it really does is make us feel good to make someone pay.

I have looked at both sides of the issue. In fact saw a feature just last night on I believe it was Date Line. A very terrible person, so I do see your side. This was one guy that it would make most feel good to be put to death. However, this does not warrant the wrong person being put to death. In Michael Morton's case, by putting him in prison instead of the right person, another murder was committed by the real murderer.

Our Justice System is too much about money. Look at the three guys from that college town (believe it was the LaCrosse incident) a few years ago. True, not murder, but rape which would have ruined their lives forever. They have even said if their parents were not wealthy, they would have been in prison. I heard what their defense cost once, but can't remember now. I know it was more than the average person could ever pay. Look at the Memphis Three. They had to admit to guilt in order to be set free. This should never be. The one did not want to do this, but said his friend was facing death and he could not take that chance. They were, however, locked up until someone with money took an interest in their case.

I guess because I once saw a crooked District Attorney, I now have my feeling about more punishment for their crimes. We need to be sure that the people on the Justice side are really true and honest people and get these jerks off that are not then maybe innocent people being locked up would decrease.

As I said, I have looked at both sides and once took your side--but no more. I appreciate your courtesy and lack of anger over a disagreement with your point of view as I have seen some on this board that cannot do that.

I guess you and I will just not agree, but please look at some of the Death Penalty cases on CNN on Sunday evenings and look at more of the cases in other articles. I have looked at both sides--so please look at this side of the issue too.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#61 Aug 10, 2014
I have which is why I think the death penalty should only be carried out when there is irrefutable evidence of who the killer is.

For instance, take the OJ case. We all know he killed those two people, but I don't believe in the death penalty was warranted even if he was found guilty. Just not enough evidence for my taste.

In a court, the judge makes the rules. You can't legislate how a judge conducts his or her court. What he or she allows into evidence (or disallows) is their call.

So what is the answer?
These are People

Fort Worth, TX

#62 Aug 10, 2014
XXXrated, I am glad to see that you do feel there should be more evidence. I keep going back to the Michael Morton case. In his case it was the DA that did not release information in regards to another item with blood on it to the defense attorney, and then fought to keep it from being tested when discovered years later.

This is one of the few district attorneys that has received any punishment at all, and then like a slap on the wrist. If I remember correctly there was something like a few days lock up, a small fine, and not allowed to practice any longer which was really punishment when he was way past the age that most people retire. Breaking the rules from the legal side is something that really bothers me.
Not4Prophet

Milwaukee, WI

#63 Aug 11, 2014
Gentle Earth wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan or Pakistan. They have all kinds of "street" justice.
THAT my friend is what is really going on here. Soon the United States will be under sharia law and hence beheading will be the norm for murderers, adulterers and those who refuse the mark-of-the-beast(Ebola vaccine). Our gov't has already purchased 30,000 guillotines for those purposes.
Kenyan-born gay Moslem Obama is the Antichrist and child-rapist, baby-blood drinker, born-Italian, Jesuit Poop Francis is The False Prophet. Most importantly you must be born again in time for the Rapture or you will face the Tribulation, final judgement and the lake-of-fire where Bath-house Barry & the pope will be cast for eternity. Please wake-up and open your eyes.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#64 Aug 11, 2014
finally, a story on topix with a happy ending
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#65 Aug 14, 2014
Seems odd. Here you have a government that can't protect its own borders, can't protect its own economy, can't educate its own children, can't even deliver mail, yet the GOP seems to want them to decide who should live and who should die? Giving the power to a group, that incompetent, to kill people seems like a conservative contradiction. Corruption runs throughout government, so letting them have the power to kill indiscriminately seems like the wrong thing to do. Can any of the so-called conservatives explain that one?
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#66 Aug 14, 2014
Don Joe wrote:
Seems odd. Here you have a government that can't protect its own borders, can't protect its own economy, can't educate its own children, can't even deliver mail, yet the GOP seems to want them to decide who should live and who should die? Giving the power to a group, that incompetent, to kill people seems like a conservative contradiction. Corruption runs throughout government, so letting them have the power to kill indiscriminately seems like the wrong thing to do. Can any of the so-called conservatives explain that one?
Every state can decide it's leadership. If a state wants to not have capital punishment, then elect a big liberal. If a state wants to do something about crime, then elect a conservative.

See, conservatism is about choice. Choice means freedom. Liberals hate choice, they always have.
These are People

Fort Worth, TX

#67 Aug 16, 2014
Really, xxxrayted, just when I was beginning to think you weren't such a bad buy.lol Well, it took me until age 60 to see the things I saw that changed my mind, so still hope for you as I don't think you are that old yet. Untlil then, have a good life.
These are People

Fort Worth, TX

#69 Aug 16, 2014
Sorry, should be bad guy not bad buy.
coyote

Biloxi, MS

#70 Aug 16, 2014
TerryE wrote:
Why don't we just stuff their arms full of illicit heroin. ODing is a good way to go. Certainly not painful!
Regards, Terri
I've thought this for a long time. Anyone who has been put under with Fentanyl for surgery can tell you it feels like dozing off. Another good method, but sure to arouse the wrath of the politically correct: A hanging on the Saddam Hussein model. BIG rope, LONG drop, NO chance of failure. Sure his head popped off. So what? Dead is dead.
These are People

Fort Worth, TX

#71 Aug 17, 2014
Seem to have a lot of sadistic people on this board. So, Coyote, when his head falls off wonder what you would do if it were your beloved son who wasn't even guilty of the charge. This does happen--do not think it doesn't. Really, would you be on this board with all those cute remarks then.

For me, I would rather there be more checks and balances for the crooked DA's who are responsible for some of these deaths. I am not saying all are crooked. There are many great and wonderful DA's who work diligently at their jobs. It is the others that I do not care for. Let's work to be sure our Justice System is fair

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#72 Aug 17, 2014
2016 3peat
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#73 Aug 19, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Every state can decide it's leadership. If a state wants to not have capital punishment, then elect a big liberal. If a state wants to do something about crime, then elect a conservative.
See, conservatism is about choice. Choice means freedom. Liberals hate choice, they always have.
LOL.The Mantra of the GOP. What about choice about whom to marry? What about choice for a women wanting medical care? What about the right to criticize the government? What about the choice of where to live? These are all "concerns" of the GOP, denying people choice. That is what conservatives are all about, denying choice, denying freedom. If you had any concern at all for freedom, you would not be supporting the Pat Act, passed by a GOP congress and signed by bush.( I know Obama extended it, which makes him way too conservative for me.)
If every state can decide it's leadership, why all the GOP election fraud??? Why not allow the ballots to be counted, instead of given to GOP operatives who can report any totals they want? Don't tell me you never heard of Diebold, ES&S or Sequioa.
The real answer is you support big government. You want the government making all our decisions for us, including life and death. You cry that the government can't deliver the mail properly, yet you give them the right to kill whomever they want. If you really wanted a limited government, you would not give the government that right. Maybe you think it's cool when bush kills someone, but how great is it if Obama was doing it?
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#74 Aug 19, 2014
Don Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL.The Mantra of the GOP. What about choice about whom to marry? What about choice for a women wanting medical care? What about the right to criticize the government? What about the choice of where to live? These are all "concerns" of the GOP, denying people choice. That is what conservatives are all about, denying choice, denying freedom. If you had any concern at all for freedom, you would not be supporting the Pat Act, passed by a GOP congress and signed by bush.( I know Obama extended it, which makes him way too conservative for me.)
If every state can decide it's leadership, why all the GOP election fraud??? Why not allow the ballots to be counted, instead of given to GOP operatives who can report any totals they want? Don't tell me you never heard of Diebold, ES&S or Sequioa.
The real answer is you support big government. You want the government making all our decisions for us, including life and death. You cry that the government can't deliver the mail properly, yet you give them the right to kill whomever they want. If you really wanted a limited government, you would not give the government that right. Maybe you think it's cool when bush kills someone, but how great is it if Obama was doing it?
When has the GOP ever stopped a person from marrying anybody they desired? Any two people regardless of sex can get married in anyone of our 57 states and no Republican will stop them. Find a religion to marry you and you will be married.

No Republican has ever stopped a woman from receiving medical care. No Republican has ever stopped any American from criticizing our government. No Republican has ever stopped anybody from living where they want to live.

You are what we refer to as a low-information voter. You have no idea WTF you're talking about other than getting your points from some lying liberal blog.

There was no election fraud by Republicans. Care to challenge me, go right ahead. I have all the factcheck.org articles in my folder and I'll be happy to post them.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#75 Aug 20, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
...
You are what we refer to as a low-information voter. You have no idea WTF you're talking about ...
...
LOL, you get your information from Fox News, then claim someone else is low information?

Hilarious.

I suppose we should just forget everything the GOP has done for the past 50 years and pretend Fox News tells the truth? I can't seem to forget, and Fox news contradicts itself so often, one cannot tell what they are trying to say.

OK, go ahead and fact check your way out of the Patriot Act. Show me how the Republican party stood up to those removing our freedoms.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#76 Jan 9, 2015
Of course when they hung him upside down and broke his arms..then he was called Mclame

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#77 Jan 22, 2015
He s finally truthful

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

John McCain Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News GOP at war with itself 9 min WasteWater 1,672
News If Donald Trump Was President, Here's What Woul... (Oct '15) 1 hr abc 10,991
News Army's handling of Bergdahl case highlights upc... 21 hr Battle Tested 3
News Ann Coulter's Anti-Semitism Runs Deep Mon LarryV 48
News Will the Mormon Church's Support for Muslim Imm... Aug 21 tomin cali 4
News Bachmann Calls Bush's Bailout Decision an Act o... (Nov '11) Aug 17 Swedenforever 43
News McCain: Obama 'directly responsible' for Orland... Aug 16 southern at heart 84
More from around the web