Beyond military intervention: a 'wacko birds' manifesto for US foreign policy | Stephen Kinzer

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Never mind John McCain's jibe at those who challenge the consensus on American 'might is right', the US needs this debate Massachusetts Senator John Kerry greeting Senator John McCain, at Kerry's confirmation hearing for secretary of State, taking the place of Hillary Clinton .

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“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#1 Mar 24, 2013
on this issue i have to salute Rand Paul and his dad for leadership
Our aggressive foreign policy inherited from the Cold War is no longer sustainable, in any way.
Increased aggression has not brought us safety nor peace of mind.
The 'Empire' is no longer affordable.
And if it is no longer viable in those two ways it can not, be moral. The moral void is witnessed by Gitmo and drones and the Patriot act

So here is my rare salute to a GOP'er.

Since: Feb 09

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#2 Mar 24, 2013
As a conservative I agree. We need to ask what is NATO really for since most of Europe is now a member. Are we afraid that the Pope is going to send the Swiss guard out to conquer Europe since the Vatican is about the Only Western nation not in Nato.?
Russia had its hand full with the chechens , I doubt they are going to attack Poland.
We need to bring ALL OUR TROOPS home and then take a good look at our so called alliances .
fatbacksx

Saint Helens, OR

#3 Mar 24, 2013
Duck and cover! Buy a 1950's school desk at a garage sale. The american mentality is still fifties dumb ass and regressing.

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#4 Mar 24, 2013
californio wrote:
As a conservative I agree. We need to ask what is NATO really for since most of Europe is now a member. Are we afraid that the Pope is going to send the Swiss guard out to conquer Europe since the Vatican is about the Only Western nation not in Nato.?
Russia had its hand full with the chechens , I doubt they are going to attack Poland.
We need to bring ALL OUR TROOPS home and then take a good look at our so called alliances .
The only thing we disagree on is the number of our men and women brought home 100% vs. 80%
We should maintain a few bases so we can positive role without feeling the need to be omnipresent.
We also have a moral obligation to be in a posture where we can help protect the 51st state.
Either way we save a lot of money.
What we will need is an agreement no to spend the savings on programs or tax cuts till the deficit is under 10% GDP shouldn't be difficult Clinton had balanced budgets.
Sheik Yerbouti

New Hope, PA

#5 Mar 24, 2013
obama has been a worse warmonger than the busheviks!

“Obama Shames the USA”

Since: Apr 09

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#6 Mar 24, 2013
John Kerry is a merry jerry.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#8 Mar 24, 2013
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
obama has been a worse warmonger than the busheviks!
really? how many countries did he invade for no reason?

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#9 Mar 24, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
The only thing we disagree on is the number of our men and women brought home 100% vs. 80%
We should maintain a few bases so we can positive role without feeling the need to be omnipresent.
We also have a moral obligation to be in a posture where we can help protect the 51st state.
Either way we save a lot of money.
What we will need is an agreement no to spend the savings on programs or tax cuts till the deficit is under 10% GDP shouldn't be difficult Clinton had balanced budgets.
Doubt if we can get even80% Home, but even a 20% reduction would be a victory. But we need to look around and ask why do we need these bases

Since: Dec 07

Athens, TX

#10 Mar 24, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>really? how many countries did he invade for no reason?
How many did Bush liberate with congressional approval including most democrats...both of them.

How many did nobama bomb without congressional approval.....2

“Obama Shames the USA”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#11 Mar 25, 2013
Did Kerry join in with CBS on metaphorically pissing on the Vietnam vets and the B-52?
He's a liberal piece of lying shit.

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#12 Mar 25, 2013
californio wrote:
<quoted text> Doubt if we can get even80% Home, but even a 20% reduction would be a victory. But we need to look around and ask why do we need these bases
Can't argue with the truth....

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#13 Mar 25, 2013
californio wrote:
As a conservative I agree. We need to ask what is NATO really for since most of Europe is now a member. Are we afraid that the Pope is going to send the Swiss guard out to conquer Europe since the Vatican is about the Only Western nation not in Nato.?
Russia had its hand full with the chechens , I doubt they are going to attack Poland.
We need to bring ALL OUR TROOPS home and then take a good look at our so called alliances .
Nice to see we agree about something, Cal. Absolutely right on the money!

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#14 Mar 25, 2013
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
<quoted text>
How many did Bush liberate with congressional approval including most democrats...both of them.
How many did nobama bomb without congressional approval.....2
"Liberate" just like the Soviets "liberated" other nations.

Douchebag.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#15 Mar 25, 2013
Ninthman wrote:
Did Kerry join in with CBS on metaphorically pissing on the Vietnam vets and the B-52?
He's a liberal piece of lying shit.
Vietnam was an atrocity and the B-52 was outdated 30 years ago.

You were saying, asshat?

Since: Feb 09

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#16 Mar 25, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
"Liberate" just like the Soviets "liberated" other nations.
Douchebag.
The Dali Lama once said no one can Liberate another person. Everyone has to liberate themselves.
fatbacksx

Portland, OR

#17 Mar 25, 2013
Who's going to liberate the U S A.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#18 Mar 25, 2013
George H.W. Bush did chase the Iraqis out of
Kuwait and most people would give him credit
for that.

About the only thing George W. Bush liberated
was about three trillion US taxpayer dollars
which were divvied up by Bush campaign contri-
butors and RW cronies who supported conservative
causes. That corporate feeding frenzy cost
America plenty.

Oh sure, Saddam disappeared, but the sectarian
violence that has been going on for the last
ten years has more than made up for his absence.

And there were no WMD.

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#19 Mar 25, 2013
Gary wrote:
George H.W. Bush did chase the Iraqis out of
Kuwait and most people would give him credit
for that.
About the only thing George W. Bush liberated
was about three trillion US taxpayer dollars
which were divvied up by Bush campaign contri-
butors and RW cronies who supported conservative
causes. That corporate feeding frenzy cost
America plenty.
Oh sure, Saddam disappeared, but the sectarian
violence that has been going on for the last
ten years has more than made up for his absence.
And there were no WMD.
well done

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