Navy: Carrier to move to Florida

The Navy announced today it's decision to homeport a carrier at Naval Station Mayport, Florida. Full Story

Since: Aug 08

Pacific, MO

#1 Jan 14, 2009
I just wondered how long before they put a big stick in mayport Kudos
John Cady

Essex, MD

#2 Jan 16, 2009
Awesome move. I am looking forward to the idea of spreading out our fleet so we don't make the fatal mistake of Pearl Harbor. President Obama, I hope you are listening to the military advisors; this not only would spread out our carriers, but provide jobs.

Since: Dec 08

Portsmouth, VA

#3 Jan 17, 2009
It is true that we should all learn from past mistakes to make us all wiser. I do have to ask; what was the mistake of Pearl Harbor?

I donít think it was just one mistake. We did not trust new technology (RADAR). We did not trust the operators of the RADAR. We thought the oceans kept us safe from invaders. We were not protecting our capital resources of war during a time of war on two fronts while trying to stay neutral (BIG mistake). I am sure there are some history buffs out and about that can think of many more mistakes we made in the Pearl Harbor attack.

I believe that moving one carrier to a separate location is purely a political move. I believe we have the technology and knowledge to protect ďAĒ port. Mayport is no safer than Norfolk. Both ports have waterways used by commercial shipping in close proximity. Both ports are close to commercial aircraft routes and airports. I would love to hear how Mayport is more secure than Norfolk.

Painting over running rust does not solve your rust problem. Finding the source of where the rust is coming from is where the heart of the problem lies. I think if a carrier is being moved purely as a security reason, we are painting over running rust. If Norfolk is not safe enough for this one carrier than the rest of the carriers are not safe either. If there is a security problem we need to fix the security problem. If Norfolk is safe for all the carriers than why move one carrier at all?

“oderint dum metuant”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#4 Jan 25, 2009
Not that Simple wrote:
It is true that we should all learn from past mistakes to make us all wiser. I do have to ask; what was the mistake of Pearl Harbor?
I donít think it was just one mistake. We did not trust new technology (RADAR). We did not trust the operators of the RADAR. We thought the oceans kept us safe from invaders. We were not protecting our capital resources of war during a time of war on two fronts while trying to stay neutral (BIG mistake). I am sure there are some history buffs out and about that can think of many more mistakes we made in the Pearl Harbor attack.
I believe that moving one carrier to a separate location is purely a political move. I believe we have the technology and knowledge to protect ďAĒ port. Mayport is no safer than Norfolk. Both ports have waterways used by commercial shipping in close proximity. Both ports are close to commercial aircraft routes and airports. I would love to hear how Mayport is more secure than Norfolk.
Painting over running rust does not solve your rust problem. Finding the source of where the rust is coming from is where the heart of the problem lies. I think if a carrier is being moved purely as a security reason, we are painting over running rust. If Norfolk is not safe enough for this one carrier than the rest of the carriers are not safe either. If there is a security problem we need to fix the security problem. If Norfolk is safe for all the carriers than why move one carrier at all?
It's not just about security reasons.
Politician's are only interested in the income a carrier provides to the local economy.
5000+ sailors and their dependants.

Virginia is essentially being a hog. Base traffic and parking are horrible.

They already have 5+ carriers plus the bulk
of the US 2nd fleet.

Like you mentioned with Pearl Harbor. You do not
put all your eggs in one basket.

Moving a carrier and perhap an Amphib group
to Mayport would be advantagous to security.
This would also provide technical civilian jobs has well has labor intensive to update the bases infrastructure from conventional support to nuclear maintenance and support.

Since: Jan 09

Hampton, VA

#5 Jan 25, 2009
Not that Simple wrote:
It is true that we should all learn from past mistakes to make us all wiser. I do have to ask; what was the mistake of Pearl Harbor?
I donít think it was just one mistake. We did not trust new technology (RADAR). We did not trust the operators of the RADAR. We thought the oceans kept us safe from invaders. We were not protecting our capital resources of war during a time of war on two fronts while trying to stay neutral (BIG mistake). I am sure there are some history buffs out and about that can think of many more mistakes we made in the Pearl Harbor attack.
I believe that moving one carrier to a separate location is purely a political move. I believe we have the technology and knowledge to protect ďAĒ port. Mayport is no safer than Norfolk. Both ports have waterways used by commercial shipping in close proximity. Both ports are close to commercial aircraft routes and airports. I would love to hear how Mayport is more secure than Norfolk.
Painting over running rust does not solve your rust problem. Finding the source of where the rust is coming from is where the heart of the problem lies. I think if a carrier is being moved purely as a security reason, we are painting over running rust. If Norfolk is not safe enough for this one carrier than the rest of the carriers are not safe either. If there is a security problem we need to fix the security problem. If Norfolk is safe for all the carriers than why move one carrier at all?
I too feel it is a political move, who better than Gearge W to send his brother a new carrier with his fathers name on it! Dont get me wrong, we need more people and cars here like we need a few more holes in our head, but it still remains a political move. Look at how much money it will cost just to get that base up and running. I mean we have a deficit like we have never seen before, why spend the extra on this. Sure it will create about 5000 new jobs into the economy there and I know Fla could use the boost but it's counter intuitive to spend so much and get so little.
mike

Gainesville, FL

#6 Feb 8, 2009
antipetaguy wrote:
<quoted text>
I too feel it is a political move, who better than Gearge W to send his brother a new carrier with his fathers name on it!
hey idiot jeb bush is no longer the governor down here and he hasnt been for a good while now.

“oderint dum metuant”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#7 Feb 8, 2009
antipetaguy wrote:
<quoted text>
I too feel it is a political move, who better than Gearge W to send his brother a new carrier with his fathers name on it! Dont get me wrong, we need more people and cars here like we need a few more holes in our head, but it still remains a political move. Look at how much money it will cost just to get that base up and running. I mean we have a deficit like we have never seen before, why spend the extra on this. Sure it will create about 5000 new jobs into the economy there and I know Fla could use the boost but it's counter intuitive to spend so much and get so little.
antipetaguy wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure it will create about 5000 new jobs into the economy there and I know Fla could use the boost but it's counter intuitive to spend so much and get so little.
That's 5000 new jobs initialy and quite a few more permanently.

It won't require much to bring Mayport up to speed. Mayport just lost the Kennedy a year ago.

Jacksonville ecomony will feel the boost from 5000 sailors and their families moving into the area.

Same amount that was on the Kennedy..

Obama spoke of shovel ready programs, here's one that is actually ready....and you whine about it.
incredible, and then you wonder why we are in the mess we are now..

"Change we can believe in" so long has it doesn't effect me...

“oderint dum metuant”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#8 Feb 8, 2009
antipetaguy wrote:
<quoted text>
I too feel it is a political move, who better than Gearge W to send his brother a new carrier with his fathers name on it! Dont get me wrong, we need more people and cars here like we need a few more holes in our head, but it still remains a political move. Look at how much money it will cost just to get that base up and running. I mean we have a deficit like we have never seen before, why spend the extra on this. Sure it will create about 5000 new jobs into the economy there and I know Fla could use the boost but it's counter intuitive to spend so much and get so little.
This is the same atitude I would expect from someone who complains about the road surface conditions and potholes and screams for federal aid to fix it, then screams again when the same road lanes are closed for pothole repairs..
Dick Patt the Diplomat

Norfolk, VA

#9 Jul 13, 2009
Has anybody reading this been keeping up with plans by the cruise line industry to build a ship terminal near Mayport Village, Florida?
How about we get U.S. Congress to cut twenty-five percent of all federal funding proposed for making Mayport nuclear ready and use that money to help cover expenses for all those neeeded road projects in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia!?

“oderint dum metuant”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#10 Jul 13, 2009
Dick Patt the Diplomat wrote:
Has anybody reading this been keeping up with plans by the cruise line industry to build a ship terminal near Mayport Village, Florida?
How about we get U.S. Congress to cut twenty-five percent of all federal funding proposed for making Mayport nuclear ready and use that money to help cover expenses for all those neeeded road projects in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia!?
The money used to upgrade Mayport Naval station comes from the defence budget..

Which will actually see a return to Florida and the Mayport area. Why didn't Virginia include this has a shovel ready project? Instead of whining about losing one of what, 5 or 6 carriers?
Dick Patt the Diplomat

Norfolk, VA

#11 Oct 30, 2009
Mad Dog USN wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not just about security reasons.
Politician's are only interested in the income a carrier provides to the local economy.
5000+ sailors and their dependants.
Virginia is essentially being a hog. Base traffic and parking are horrible.
They already have 5+ carriers plus the bulk
of the US 2nd fleet.
Like you mentioned with Pearl Harbor. You do not
put all your eggs in one basket.
Moving a carrier and perhap an Amphib group
to Mayport would be advantagous to security.
This would also provide technical civilian jobs has well has labor intensive to update the bases infrastructure from conventional support to nuclear maintenance and support.
Even if that means polluting Mayport Village, right?
Dick Patt the Diplomat

Norfolk, VA

#12 Oct 30, 2009
Mad Dog USN wrote:
<quoted text>
The money used to upgrade Mayport Naval station comes from the defence budget..
Which will actually see a return to Florida and the Mayport area. Why didn't Virginia include this has a shovel ready project? Instead of whining about losing one of what, 5 or 6 carriers?
It looks to me as though former U.S. Senator Phil Gramm was right, we are a nation of whiners!!!

“oderint dum metuant”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#13 Oct 30, 2009
Dick Patt the Diplomat wrote:
<quoted text>It looks to me as though former U.S. Senator Phil Gramm was right, we are a nation of whiners!!!
He's right, Mayport had a carrier now it's getting another any pollution would have already been there..
Olaf

Norfolk, VA

#14 Feb 4, 2010
Mad Dog USN wrote:
<quoted text>
He's right, Mayport had a carrier now it's getting another any pollution would have already been there..
What makes you think there won't be any pollution near Mayport Village!?

“oderint dum metuant”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#15 Feb 4, 2010
Olaf wrote:
<quoted text>What makes you think there won't be any pollution near Mayport Village!?
Ddin't say that...I said any pollution they have, they have had for a long time...Only differnece is now instead of a boiler fired carrier you have a nuclear powered one..
Olaf

Norfolk, VA

#16 Feb 8, 2010
Mad Dog USN wrote:
<quoted text>
Ddin't say that...I said any pollution they have, they have had for a long time...Only differnece is now instead of a boiler fired carrier you have a nuclear powered one..
Let's all make sure that the residents will in the end win their fight against the building of a cruise line ternminal nearby!!!

“oderint dum metuant”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#17 Feb 8, 2010
Olaf wrote:
<quoted text>Let's all make sure that the residents will in the end win their fight against the building of a cruise line ternminal nearby!!!
Depends on how the city council zone the waterfront...

“The enemy is in our camp.”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#18 Feb 24, 2010
Let's just nuke Florida and be over with it. Too many people with gold slippers down there anyway!(...and for those of you who are complete morons, this is a joke)

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