Palin's anti-intellectualism dangerous

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A dangerous divide has been developing for some years in America, between those who are comfortable negotiating the wide array of knowledge and information sources now available, and those who are not.

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Informed Voter

Cocoa Beach, FL

#1 Nov 28, 2009
Our century-old, religion supported hostility to intellect is hitting bottom. As it should. It's overdue, actually, in relation to the all the other Western democracies.

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Glasnos

Orlando, FL

#2 Nov 28, 2009
It is the so-called "intellectuals" who lie to us ... and make up data when it does not agree with their own pointy-headed conclusions.

We need someone with common sense, who can discern truth, and trust the american people to decide ... not govern from the lofty heights of conceit.

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Informed Voter

Cocoa Beach, FL

#3 Nov 28, 2009
Glasnos wrote:
It is the so-called "intellectuals" who lie to us ... and make up data when it does not agree with their own pointy-headed conclusions.
We need someone with common sense, who can discern truth, and trust the american people to decide ... not govern from the lofty heights of conceit.
Oh, look. Here comes some of the hostility now, displaying how lack of intellect makes it tough to tell the difference between common sense and truth (never mind that truth is an exceptionally lofty idea and when it's considered to be possessed in an exclusionary way, cannot fail to come with conceit so great it becomes hard to see).
GaGirl 56

Roswell, GA

#4 Nov 28, 2009
Demo-publican or not. I love Sarah - NRA - ya know. The right to own guns!!!

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#6 Nov 28, 2009
Informed Voter wrote:
Our century-old, religion supported hostility to intellect is hitting bottom. As it should. It's overdue, actually, in relation to the all the other Western democracies.
If only that were the truth.
Unfortunately the anti-intellectual movement amongst the Right is slowly being replaced with a Pseudo/Faux-Intellectual movement that bases itself wholly on being contrary to established theories and proven facts. This is one of their more notorious think-tanks:
http://www.discovery.org/csc/
These guys are ultimately more dangerous than the anti-intellectuals because they appeal to those who are convinced that institutions of higher learning are really centers of "liberal indoctrination."
Informed Voter

Cocoa Beach, FL

#7 Nov 28, 2009
John-K wrote:
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If only that were the truth.
Unfortunately the anti-intellectual movement amongst the Right is slowly being replaced with a Pseudo/Faux-Intellectual movement that bases itself wholly on being contrary to established theories and proven facts. This is one of their more notorious think-tanks:
http://www.discovery.org/csc/
These guys are ultimately more dangerous than the anti-intellectuals because they appeal to those who are convinced that institutions of higher learning are really centers of "liberal indoctrination."
I know. They are trying to evolve, to adapt -- how cute. You may be overestimating them. They aren't getting much actual traction that translates into anything, are they? Pseudo is as pseudo does. That hasn't changed and isn't going to either.

I consider them the dying vestiges of a high flying circus of hypocrisy that's been happening on the right since Falwell made them a power to reckon with. The GOP saw that, seized on it and ran. But now all these years later the Palin tea bag faction is a minority and how the GOP wins back the moderate conservative intellectual who is repulsed by Palin's lack of cognition is not going to be with the pseudos pedaling religion disguised as science, no matter how many fancy sites they create.

Seems the piper has arrived to present the GOP his bill.

I don't expect the dinosaurs to go quietly. If anything, they get more creative as they go. This would be some of that.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#8 Nov 28, 2009
Informed Voter wrote:
<quoted text>I know. They are trying to evolve, to adapt -- how cute. You may be overestimating them. They aren't getting much actual traction that translates into anything, are they? Pseudo is as pseudo does. That hasn't changed and isn't going to either.
I consider them the dying vestiges of a high flying circus of hypocrisy that's been happening on the right since Falwell made them a power to reckon with. The GOP saw that, seized on it and ran. But now all these years later the Palin tea bag faction is a minority and how the GOP wins back the moderate conservative intellectual who is repulsed by Palin's lack of cognition is not going to be with the pseudos pedaling religion disguised as science, no matter how many fancy sites they create.
Seems the piper has arrived to present the GOP his bill.
I don't expect the dinosaurs to go quietly. If anything, they get more creative as they go. This would be some of that.
I would not be quite so concerned if it were not for the fact that a surprisingly large portion of our population does not believe in evolution, does not believe in the scientific evidence that CO2 and Methane are heat-trapping gasses and our current level of industry is contributing to the phenomenon known as "Global Warming," or that so many of those on the Right are absolutely convinced that Universities are really "centers of Liberalism."
They like to equate Liberalism with Socialism, Communism, Stalinism, and National Socialism. And honestly, the majority of them can barely tell the difference between any of the above, all they know is that they're all BAD!
Anyhow, I'd rather overestimate them than underestimate them.
Or, as Dubya so famously claimed, I don't want to misunderestimate them! ;)
Informed Voter

Cocoa Beach, FL

#9 Nov 29, 2009
John-K wrote:
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I would not be quite so concerned if it were not for the fact that a surprisingly large portion of our population does not believe in evolution, does not believe in the scientific evidence that CO2 and Methane are heat-trapping gasses and our current level of industry is contributing to the phenomenon known as "Global Warming," or that so many of those on the Right are absolutely convinced that Universities are really "centers of Liberalism."
They like to equate Liberalism with Socialism, Communism, Stalinism, and National Socialism. And honestly, the majority of them can barely tell the difference between any of the above, all they know is that they're all BAD!
Anyhow, I'd rather overestimate them than underestimate them.
Or, as Dubya so famously claimed, I don't want to misunderestimate them! ;)
I would not care to underestimate either. So I speak facts to their baloney wherever possible. But stop to consider that for all their beliefs, we are still teaching evolution in science class, man made pollution is being addressed more and more, universities are still cranking out degrees, liberal art skills are still defined in the dictionary as critical thinking, not as something to do with any political party, and an "evil socialist" (lol) sits in the Oval Office.

People here have always been full of religion supported ignorance. The difference is only how well known it is and how proud some are about it. But the other difference is this undeniable trend that Americans are standing down from religion. And very much less inclined to mix religion with politics. Falwell's heyday came and went. None of the powerful attended his funeral. The latest crop of tv ministers with big followings are not mixing religion and politics, in fact, they seek to avoid it. Those who are still trying to mix it are regulated to the fringe.

This does not give intellectuals reason to relax. It takes enormous effort to drag us into the future with dinosaurs like them along for the ride. Compared to our Western democracy counterparts, the US is sadly behind because they slowed our progress. But the next millennium is well underway and so is the green movement, alter-globalism and other big intellectually supported ideas. Remind yourself that evolution, while not always a straight line in regard to culture, is unstoppable.

Education is religious ignorance's worst enemy and education is becoming more available, especially with growing access to the internet. For every pseudo science site declaring evolution a myth, there are countless more offering the scientific viewpoint. Just google "evolution" and count how many pages back your pseudo science site show ups. If it's past three pages, it isn't much more than a feel good for a bunch of folks calling themselves a think tank since anyone can put up a website.
Glasnos

Orlando, FL

#10 Nov 29, 2009
John-K wrote:
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If only that were the truth.
Unfortunately the anti-intellectual movement amongst the Right is slowly being replaced with a Pseudo/Faux-Intellectual movement that bases itself wholly on being contrary to established theories and proven facts. This is one of their more notorious think-tanks:
http://www.discovery.org/csc/
These guys are ultimately more dangerous than the anti-intellectuals because they appeal to those who are convinced that institutions of higher learning are really centers of "liberal indoctrination."
Yes ... how dare they insinuate fine professors like Ward Churchil and Skippy Gates would indoctrinate. Or the University of Deleware? UOD forced white students to sign documents stating that all white europeans are racist. What indoctrination? LOL
Glasnos

Orlando, FL

#11 Nov 29, 2009
Indoctrination of Our Youth
"[The] U.S. wants to keep the world divided." Then the speaker asks, "Who is probably the most violent nation on the planet?" and shouts "The United States!"
During this class session, Mr. Bennish peppered his 10th-grade geography class with other statements like: The U.S. has engaged in "7,000 terrorist attacks against Cuba." In his discussion of capitalism, he told his students, "Capitalism is at odds with humanity, at odds with caring and compassion and at odds with human rights.
" http://www.capmag.com/article.asp...

Anyone who claims our public schools and colleges are not indoctrinating students are nothing but liars and propogandists for the left.
Informed Voter

Cocoa Beach, FL

#12 Nov 29, 2009
Glasnos wrote:
Indoctrination of Our Youth
"[The] U.S. wants to keep the world divided." Then the speaker asks, "Who is probably the most violent nation on the planet?" and shouts "The United States!"
During this class session, Mr. Bennish peppered his 10th-grade geography class with other statements like: The U.S. has engaged in "7,000 terrorist attacks against Cuba." In his discussion of capitalism, he told his students, "Capitalism is at odds with humanity, at odds with caring and compassion and at odds with human rights.
" http://www.capmag.com/article.asp...
Anyone who claims our public schools and colleges are not indoctrinating students are nothing but liars and propogandists for the left.
Then Capitalism Magazine best take that up with Mr. Bennish's school board, eh?

Let's check your source for funsies. Capitalism Magazine advocates unregulated capitalism and is all about spreading the gospel on orthodox principles it's creator developed from the Objectivist philosophy of Ayn Rand, never mind that those principles have in real world application proved to be disaster on several levels, including economically, over the long run.

Laissez faire is dead. Ayn Rand's formula had a fatal flaw, one related to the glaring flaw she could not see in herself while practicing adultery and bullying others into accepting that madness as moral.

You really ought to vet your sources.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#13 Nov 29, 2009
Informed Voter wrote:
<quoted text>I would not care to underestimate either. So I speak facts to their baloney wherever possible. But stop to consider that for all their beliefs, we are still teaching evolution in science class, man made pollution is being addressed more and more, universities are still cranking out degrees, liberal art skills are still defined in the dictionary as critical thinking, not as something to do with any political party, and an "evil socialist" (lol) sits in the Oval Office.
People here have always been full of religion supported ignorance. The difference is only how well known it is and how proud some are about it. But the other difference is this undeniable trend that Americans are standing down from religion. And very much less inclined to mix religion with politics. Falwell's heyday came and went. None of the powerful attended his funeral. The latest crop of tv ministers with big followings are not mixing religion and politics, in fact, they seek to avoid it. Those who are still trying to mix it are regulated to the fringe.
This does not give intellectuals reason to relax. It takes enormous effort to drag us into the future with dinosaurs like them along for the ride. Compared to our Western democracy counterparts, the US is sadly behind because they slowed our progress. But the next millennium is well underway and so is the green movement, alter-globalism and other big intellectually supported ideas. Remind yourself that evolution, while not always a straight line in regard to culture, is unstoppable.
Education is religious ignorance's worst enemy and education is becoming more available, especially with growing access to the internet. For every pseudo science site declaring evolution a myth, there are countless more offering the scientific viewpoint. Just google "evolution" and count how many pages back your pseudo science site show ups. If it's past three pages, it isn't much more than a feel good for a bunch of folks calling themselves a think tank since anyone can put up a website.
Points taken, but as I'm sure you're well aware by now, "facts" matter terribly little to them: they'll simply allow someone to present their "facts," and then stick by those no matter how nonsensical they happen to be.
These people prefer to dwell in an echo-chamber that simply tells them what they want to hear.
As I said earlier, I'd normally dismiss them out-of-hand if there weren't so damned many of them now...
If we as a country really want to confront the reasons why we're lagging in the world in the areas of science, engineering, mathematics, cutting-edge technology and research, the frame of mind these folks proudly display is an excellent place to start.
Informed Voter

Cocoa Beach, FL

#14 Nov 30, 2009
John-K wrote:
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Points taken, but as I'm sure you're well aware by now, "facts" matter terribly little to them: they'll simply allow someone to present their "facts," and then stick by those no matter how nonsensical they happen to be.
These people prefer to dwell in an echo-chamber that simply tells them what they want to hear.
As I said earlier, I'd normally dismiss them out-of-hand if there weren't so damned many of them now...
If we as a country really want to confront the reasons why we're lagging in the world in the areas of science, engineering, mathematics, cutting-edge technology and research, the frame of mind these folks proudly display is an excellent place to start.
You have my total agreement on all points here.

One aspect that makes me hopeful now (for the first time in a long time) is an understanding of politics and how the GOP's use of them (manipulation, really) worked for a long time ... until now. We are at a tipping point and the GOP is in a bind.

That day was inevitable because their numbers have been declining. Are those numbers declined enough? Hell no.

But the other aspect that makes me hopeful is the reason why their numbers are declining (albeit way too slowly for my preference but that's evolution for ya' lol)-- they don't pass this echo chamber garbage on to their offspring with enough success to maintain. This is why they can rightfully be called "dinosaurs".

What made that difference is education, especially the kind that teaches them TO think, not WHAT to think -- the very education the older dinosaurs know to fear. They love to scream indoctrination (that post here was right on schedule) while their churches AND religious schools do nothing but, as hot and heavy as they can possibly can.

Had our public education system not eroded from neglect over these last decades, the rate of their decline would have been greater. Obama is right to focus on it as one of the keys to restoring our greatness as a nation. I strongly agree we should start with your list.
smedley butler

United States

#15 Dec 18, 2009
AIPAC for palin wrote:
It is SARAH PALIN / MITT ROMNEYS status as unregistered izraeli SS foreign agents and supporters of the FIVE DANCING ISRAELIS that is most troubling ......... Sarah Palin , jonathan pollard , JON VOIGHT , Wolf Blitzer , roger ailes and bill kristol spit on the graves of US service personnel who were murdered by the zionist fifth column .......... remember the USS LIBERTY , Khobar Towers , LAVON AFFAIR and other acts of zionist treachery .
.......... SARAH PALIN / BILL KRISTOL / Frank Zemel / Scott Rothstein / Alan Mendelsohn / Frank Adderley / Ganev Mombach and the UBER GOP WAR MONGIRS are determined to turn the USA into a client state of ISRAEL .......... with tribalism / collective guilt / imperialism / perpetual war AND Zionism as the Right Wing Mantra .
thinking

Edinburg, TX

#16 Dec 18, 2009
John-K wrote:
<quoted text>
They like to equate Liberalism with Socialism, Communism, Stalinism, and National Socialism. And honestly, the majority of them can barely tell the difference between any of the above, all they know is that they're all BAD!
Anyhow, I'd rather overestimate them than underestimate them.
Or, as Dubya so famously claimed, I don't want to misunderestimate them! ;)
Perhaps the most astounding of the lies being circulated about Obama is a statement on Topix that Obama belongs to the KKK.

As you said, the writers are so ignorant that they don't know the difference in all those terms they throw around. I guess the writer had heard the KKK was BAD, so he decided to tell people Obama was a member.
King Tut

Anchorage, AK

#17 Dec 18, 2009
Socialist and Communist are REAL INTELLECTUALS...Their sick rotten philosophies have killed 40 million at least in Russia alone and failed world wide with mass starvation, death and poverty...REAL INTELLECTUAL!!!HAHAHAAHHEEHEHE HEAHAHAHEHEHEHLOLOOOLOLLOLOLO
la la Christmas

Cocoa Beach, FL

#18 Dec 20, 2009
thinking wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps the most astounding of the lies being circulated about Obama is a statement on Topix that Obama belongs to the KKK.
As you said, the writers are so ignorant that they don't know the difference in all those terms they throw around. I guess the writer had heard the KKK was BAD, so he decided to tell people Obama was a member.
Just when I think, man, this cannot get more ridiculously ignorant .. it does. lol
thinking

Edinburg, TX

#19 Dec 20, 2009
But the ignorance of people, even some who have enough money to buy computers, astounds me.

Checking facts before repeating lies and rumors is so easy. Politifact.com , FactCheck.Org , snopes.com .

But the uninformed seem to think any stupid thing written on youtube by some moran is just as credible and important as well-researched, tested, accurate proven accounts reported by, say, the Associated Press.

It's scary to read the outrageously incorrect things written on Topix. It's like watching two freight trains headed toward each other at top speed, while riding on one of the trains.
la la Christmas

Cocoa Beach, FL

#20 Dec 27, 2009
thinking wrote:
But the ignorance of people, even some who have enough money to buy computers, astounds me.
Checking facts before repeating lies and rumors is so easy. Politifact.com , FactCheck.Org , snopes.com .
But the uninformed seem to think any stupid thing written on youtube by some moran is just as credible and important as well-researched, tested, accurate proven accounts reported by, say, the Associated Press.
It's scary to read the outrageously incorrect things written on Topix. It's like watching two freight trains headed toward each other at top speed, while riding on one of the trains.
We were just talking about this on another thread. Substantiated fact versus what is personally believed. I would go further than suggesting they are uninformed. Some here are outright willfully ignorant and committed to remaining so no matter what. No point debating with those folks since they have the right to remain as ignorant as they wish.
Homer Simpson

Largo, FL

#21 Dec 27, 2009
I expect to see the day that Sarah Palin's face is on a six-dollar bill as a former President.
The U.S. Treasury might as well start making the printing plates for the mints.

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