Climate scientists to speak in Erie

Climate scientists to speak in Erie

There are 115 comments on the Erie Times News story from May 20, 2012, titled Climate scientists to speak in Erie. In it, Erie Times News reports that:

Pennsylvania State University professor Michael Mann has been criticized on the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal, maligned on cable news stations and placed on an enemies list by a U.S. senator.

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good for you

Erie, PA

#106 May 26, 2012
Oli wrote:
<quoted text>First of all I'm in sixth grade so I can't just get up and walk out of class unless I want a detention. Secondly part of my social studies class is about evolution and my teacher even said it was only a theory and that he beilived in a higher being ( No not the government ). And finally communists belived in goverment running your whole life they also belive that we should have international health care whovh if you look a people in places like great britan you can see just how that works. My point is Obama is for government running our lives. He also wants all of his little Muslim buddies to take over. So based on the evidence I'm going to say that Obama is a communist which you don't need to be Glenn beck to figure out. And I'd rather have a republican in office then a democrat like you so Romney 2012
Bravo!
good for you

Erie, PA

#107 May 26, 2012
Sick of Stupid wrote:
<quoted text>You're going to school, But what they say about climate change is a lie?
Are they lying to you about other stuff or just climate change?
What do you suppose they are gaining by lying to you about climate change?
Instead of "chaining yourself down" when they tell you lies, Why not just get up and leave.class?
If you think climate change is a lie just wait I till you get into geometry. In that class they are going to tell you "pie are square".(pi x r x r)
It is hard to believe what they try to force down your throat in science class.
How do you feel about the evolution lie?
They will try to tell you that we "evolved" into humans over millions of years, when we all know an all powerful invisible man put us here because a 1500 year old book says so, is the only factual account of life 2000 years ago.
And Obama is a commy. Well he has to be. Why else would be destroying America?

You hang in there pal. If you work really hard you can avoid learning anything whilst you're in school.
You got your ass kicked by a sixth grader!!! Hahahahahaha
JamesBlond

Tallmadge, OH

#108 May 26, 2012
Oli wrote:
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First of all I'm in sixth grade so I can't just get up and walk out of class unless I want a detention. Secondly part of my social studies class is about evolution and my teacher even said it was only a theory and that he beilived in a higher being ( No not the government ). And finally communists belived in goverment running your whole life they also belive that we should have international health care whovh if you look a people in places like great britan you can see just how that works. My point is Obama is for government running our lives. He also wants all of his little Muslim buddies to take over. So based on the evidence I'm going to say that Obama is a communist which you don't need to be Glenn beck to figure out. And I'd rather have a republican in office then a democrat like you so Romney 2012
Remember Oli that you are being taught the "THEORY of evolution" which remains a THEORY to this day and not a proven fact. Most people do accept that we most likely did evolve but not by chance and that "God" or some greater intellect created everything. The concept thateverything came into beinn by accident doesn't hold up to any type of intellectual thought.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#109 May 27, 2012
JamesBlond wrote:
<quoted text>Middle East/ Iran---the goal is not oil---the goal is to stop uranium enrichment to be used in dirty bombs or nuclear weapons. Again, get educated. If we wanted oil we would have gone in to Iran in 1980.
You are buying the Fox hype. They don't give one crap about Iran getting the bomb. Cheney wrote it out, his plan was to get bases in Iraq and in Iran because that is where most of the remaining oil in the world is. We use Israel as an excuse to have wars in the middle east ONLY because that's where the oil is. You think anyone in this country would give one crap or one cent to any country in the Middle East if it didn't have oil? It's backwards people. All they have is oil. That's the ONLY reason we deal with them. The biggest business in the U.S. is wars, the war corporations and the second biggest business in the U.S. is the oil companies, so they use our massive military to get control of oil in other countries. We pay for it with the wars, we get nothing out of it. You're being used by the oil companies to get into Iran so Exxon and BP can own the oil in Iran, same thing they did in Iraq. Fox sells stupid people wars, oil wars, hate, fear, blame. And they buy it. Everything is about money. All the money did not end up in the hands of a few people for no reason. It happened when all these U.S. wars happened. THE place to make money was in Iraq, not here. Ask the 100,000 contractors in Iraq. We rebuild nations, we don't rebuild our country.

How else could the U.S. be broke from two ten year wars and then sell you a third war unless Fox was selling it and selling it 24/7?

Israel is a zionist state. The Jews there don't even like Jews in America. They believe the Jews are the chosen people, better than everyone else and can only marry their own and that they are destined to run the world. They own the big banks, this country, our politicians, and then they say we have to have more wars to protect Israel. Try reading Michael Scheuer's book "Marching Towards Hell." He was in the CIA for years. Read Naomi Klein's book "The Shock Doctrine, Disaster Capitalism." Find out what went on in Iraq. You just repeat Fox. Fox says war number three, Fox says World War III. What about the fact we are broke and going under? Why sell you another war if we are broke and the other two wars are not paid for?? And who is selling you this stuff?? What are Sean Hannity's credentials? Economist? War hero? Attorney? Who the hell is he supposedly? He's a war profiteer selling you another war he will make millions of dollars off of.

It's like when Fox sells you the evil crony capitalism stuff about Solyndra. Yeah, except that Bush and Cheney did more like $200 billion in crony capitalism. That's how much they gave in government contracts to Haliburton and WHY Halibuton's stocks tripled in value - most of which Cheney, Bush and Hannity own. They profit greatly from these wars. This is why Hannity says "no cuts to military spending, the war on terror is just beginning, we must have World War III." It's all profits for him - oil profits, Halibution profits, Spade Defense Index profits for him. So he uses TV and radio to sell you wars he profits off of.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#110 May 27, 2012
Oli wrote:
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First of all I'm in sixth grade so I can't just get up and walk out of class unless I want a detention. Secondly part of my social studies class is about evolution and my teacher even said it was only a theory and that he beilived in a higher being ( No not the government ). And finally communists belived in goverment running your whole life they also belive that we should have international health care whovh if you look a people in places like great britan you can see just how that works. My point is Obama is for government running our lives. He also wants all of his little Muslim buddies to take over. So based on the evidence I'm going to say that Obama is a communist which you don't need to be Glenn beck to figure out. And I'd rather have a republican in office then a democrat like you so Romney 2012
Well, you should work on some critical thinking skills at some point. I think you repeat what your parents say and they get that stuff from TV and from Glenn Beck, who got fired in only two years time from TV. I agree to vote for Romney. I am a Republican, but I also think it is important to realize both parties are really bad and not be carried away by what a few folks on the TV are saying. You should read some books and get real information so that you can compare the information to the things the people on Fox TV are saying so that you can think on your own and decide what is real and what is not.

First of all, Obama has actually killed a lot more Muslim terrorists than Bush did. So this idea that he is a Muslim is faulty thinking, it's not based on fact. It's not critical thinking, it's repeating the TV. I think Obama is an atheist, his mother was an atheist, and his father also became an atheist. It's a hard sell to say that Obama has all of these wars ONLY against Muslim countries and then to claim he is a Muslim. Again, it's not critical thinking.

Critical thinking means ONLY go by the facts, actual events and think for yourself. Don't ever blindly repeat what people on TV who have NO credentials says. They just say anything to make people vote the way they want, to CONTROL the elections, which is an evil and illegal thing to be doing.

Also, try critical thinking in this way. FACT: Everyone wants Socialist Security and government socialized Medicare, and those programs are using up most of our budget, and it is socialism, yet everyone wants it. So critically speaking, everyone loves socialism and wants those social programs. So this idea that Americans don't want socialism is faulty thinking. The facts show they ALL want SS and Medicare, so they are the ones who love socialism. Stick to FACTS. Give it a try because the truth sets you free.

If you want to really get down to ONLY facts, then ONLY listen to Ron Paul. He's the ONLY honest one and the only one telling the truth about both parties' big, big spending. You have to get to the truth in order to solve real problems. Just repeating stuff from unprofessional folks on TV is not going to solve real problems. And, Ron Paul is an economic expert, an M.D., and a Constitutional expert. He is telling the truth and he knows what he is talking about.

Bush ran up $5 trillion of debt. Obama ran up $5 trillion of debt. Bush left the Southern border open, so did Obama. Bush tried to pass an amnesty. Bush created a huge unpaid for socialist program - free drugs for everyone on Medicare and it has zero revenues coming into it, adding billions to the debt. Both Bush and Obama have exact same tax rates. Obama didn't raise taxes. Both spend same amount on the two wars, on military spending. So if we stick to critical thinking here, what is the difference in their actions? There's really no difference.
JamesBlond

Erie, PA

#111 May 27, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>You are buying the Fox hype. They don't give one crap about Iran getting the bomb. Cheney wrote it out, his plan was to get bases in Iraq and in Iran because that is where most of the remaining oil in the world is. We use Israel as an excuse to have wars in the middle east ONLY because that's where the oil is. You think anyone in this country would give one crap or one cent to any country in the Middle East if it didn't have oil? It's backwards people. All they have is oil. That's the ONLY reason we deal with them. The biggest business in the U.S. is wars, the war corporations and the second biggest business in the U.S. is the oil companies, so they use our massive military to get control of oil in other countries. We pay for it with the wars, we get nothing out of it. You're being used by the oil companies to get into Iran so Exxon and BP can own the oil in Iran, same thing they did in Iraq. Fox sells stupid people wars, oil wars, hate, fear, blame. And they buy it. Everything is about money. All the money did not end up in the hands of a few people for no reason. It happened when all these U.S. wars happened. THE place to make money was in Iraq, not here. Ask the 100,000 contractors in Iraq. We rebuild nations, we don't rebuild our country.
How else could the U.S. be broke from two ten year wars and then sell you a third war unless Fox was selling it and selling it 24/7?
Israel is a zionist state. The Jews there don't even like Jews in America. They believe the Jews are the chosen people, better than everyone else and can only marry their own and that they are destined to run the world. They own the big banks, this country, our politicians, and then they say we have to have more wars to protect Israel. Try reading Michael Scheuer's book "Marching Towards Hell." He was in the CIA for years. Read Naomi Klein's book "The Shock Doctrine, Disaster Capitalism." Find out what went on in Iraq. You just repeat Fox. Fox says war number three, Fox says World War III. What about the fact we are broke and going under? Why sell you another war if we are broke and the other two wars are not paid for?? And who is selling you this stuff?? What are Sean Hannity's credentials? Economist? War hero? Attorney? Who the hell is he supposedly? He's a war profiteer selling you another war he will make millions of dollars off of.
It's like when Fox sells you the evil crony capitalism stuff about Solyndra. Yeah, except that Bush and Cheney did more like $200 billion in crony capitalism. That's how much they gave in government contracts to Haliburton and WHY Halibuton's stocks tripled in value - most of which Cheney, Bush and Hannity own. They profit greatly from these wars. This is why Hannity says "no cuts to military spending, the war on terror is just beginning, we must have World War III." It's all profits for him - oil profits, Halibution profits, Spade Defense Index profits for him. So he uses TV and radio to sell you wars he profits off of.
Now we see the big picture. You are also an antisemite! A Jew hater! Now you are much more credible! Remember Jesus was a Jew and nowhere does it say in the bible that he switched religions which makes you also a Jesus hater! You are a lunatic Pam. Back to your bed and restraints.
Meaghan

Newburgh, NY

#112 May 27, 2012
Oli wrote:
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First of all I'm in sixth grade so I can't just get up and walk out of class unless I want a detention. Secondly part of my social studies class is about evolution and my teacher even said it was only a theory and that he beilived in a higher being ( No not the government ). And finally communists belived in goverment running your whole life they also belive that we should have international health care whovh if you look a people in places like great britan you can see just how that works. My point is Obama is for government running our lives. He also wants all of his little Muslim buddies to take over. So based on the evidence I'm going to say that Obama is a communist which you don't need to be Glenn beck to figure out. And I'd rather have a republican in office then a democrat like you so Romney 2012
Dont put yourself in a box to be determined by party lines, before you can even vote. Anyone who makes their mind up before hearing the issues is ignorant, sweetie. Dont listen to other people, do your own reasearch make up your own mind. I bet you'll find on some issues your liberal, there will be other issues your more conservative about.( just added that part because the whole muslim communist thing is getting really really old.) Whoever your listening to really needs to come up with something else.
Ralph Malph

Erie, PA

#113 May 27, 2012
Meaghan wrote:
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Dont put yourself in a box to be determined by party lines, before you can even vote. Anyone who makes their mind up before hearing the issues is ignorant, sweetie. Dont listen to other people, do your own reasearch make up your own mind. I bet you'll find on some issues your liberal, there will be other issues your more conservative about.( just added that part because the whole muslim communist thing is getting really really old.) Whoever your listening to really needs to come up with something else.
The communist/ muslim thing may be old to you but is based on factual evidence. You are free to believe what you want, just look at things with open eyes before you decide, as should everyone.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#114 May 28, 2012
Ralph Malph wrote:
<quoted text> The communist/ muslim thing may be old to you but is based on factual evidence. You are free to believe what you want, just look at things with open eyes before you decide, as should everyone.
The communist and Muslim stuff is all made up bullsh!t. Obama is in bed with the big bankers, which is why the U.S. is going under. The bankers are extracting all of the wealth out of the European countries and out of the U.S. Give the Max Keiser show a try. It's on RT. See what he says about the bansters. Obama has not done one thing that is communist. That's an old, old thing the government uses whenever they want to invade a country. The government always says they want in and overthrew a leader in a country cause they were getting evil commies. That's the oldest trick in the book. And the Muslim thing is garbage. Obama's mother was an atheist, and his father turned atheist later in life too. He killed Bin Ladin and the other top terrorist leaders. He is in wars ONLY in Muslim countries, so you are not critically thinking. You are not basing anything you are saying on any facts. You are just repeating nonsense out of your own personal fears. I don't like Obama, didn't vote for him. I don't like big spending liberals. But, it doesn't help anyone to make it up that the guy is a commie or a Muslim when he's not. Stick to the facts.

If you don't like Obama cause he ran up 5 trillion dollars of debt or because he ONLY supports the government workers and their huge pensions, fine, talk about that. Keep it real otherwise people marginalize you and call you a nut and a stupid person. Stick to the facts. That way no one on TV can manipulate you or fool you either. If you stick to the facts, anyone can see Bush ran up $5 trillion of debt and so did Obama. A fiscal conservative would not run up any debt. We never did that in the past. We never had big debt like this in the past. And this is why we are going under. So we had all better figure out why did Bush and Obama each run up $5 trillion of debt all of a sudden and why are the rich leaving the country and what the hell are we all going to do? Ron Paul is telling the truth. Both parties run up tons of debt. The Dems do it on welfare and the Repubs do it on wars. That's why Ron Paul says you have to end the "welfare/warfare state." Cut both parties big spending otherwise we are going under.

It doesn't help the people of this country to just blame one party based solely on crap they get from Fox. You're wasting everyone's time. Both parties are spending this country into default, so don't waste time repeating Fox saying to hate one party and all will be fixed. That's not the systemic problem. The bankers are, the wars for oil, the military industrial complex, welfare is the problem, the huge state pensions are the problem, so clearly both parties are the problem. The other big problem, the biggest problem this country has and the reason the rich are leaving and have left is because the people in this country have low, low intelligence today. It's the biggest problem we have.
Ralph Malph

Erie, PA

#115 May 28, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>The communist and Muslim stuff is all made up bullsh!t. Obama is in bed with the big bankers, which is why the U.S. is going under. The bankers are extracting all of the wealth out of the European countries and out of the U.S. Give the Max Keiser show a try. It's on RT. See what he says about the bansters. Obama has not done one thing that is communist. That's an old, old thing the government uses whenever they want to invade a country. The government always says they want in and overthrew a leader in a country cause they were getting evil commies. That's the oldest trick in the book. And the Muslim thing is garbage. Obama's mother was an atheist, and his father turned atheist later in life too. He killed Bin Ladin and the other top terrorist leaders. He is in wars ONLY in Muslim countries, so you are not critically thinking. You are not basing anything you are saying on any facts. You are just repeating nonsense out of your own personal fears. I don't like Obama, didn't vote for him. I don't like big spending liberals. But, it doesn't help anyone to make it up that the guy is a commie or a Muslim when he's not. Stick to the facts.
If you don't like Obama cause he ran up 5 trillion dollars of debt or because he ONLY supports the government workers and their huge pensions, fine, talk about that. Keep it real otherwise people marginalize you and call you a nut and a stupid person. Stick to the facts. That way no one on TV can manipulate you or fool you either. If you stick to the facts, anyone can see Bush ran up $5 trillion of debt and so did Obama. A fiscal conservative would not run up any debt. We never did that in the past. We never had big debt like this in the past. And this is why we are going under. So we had all better figure out why did Bush and Obama each run up $5 trillion of debt all of a sudden and why are the rich leaving the country and what the hell are we all going to do? Ron Paul is telling the truth. Both parties run up tons of debt. The Dems do it on welfare and the Repubs do it on wars. That's why Ron Paul says you have to end the "welfare/warfare state." Cut both parties big spending otherwise we are going under.
It doesn't help the people of this country to just blame one party based solely on crap they get from Fox. You're wasting everyone's time. Both parties are spending this country into default, so don't waste time repeating Fox saying to hate one party and all will be fixed. That's not the systemic problem. The bankers are, the wars for oil, the military industrial complex, welfare is the problem, the huge state pensions are the problem, so clearly both parties are the problem. The other big problem, the biggest problem this country has and the reason the rich are leaving and have left is because the people in this country have low, low intelligence today. It's the biggest problem we have.
I agree psycho. The muslim stuff is made up based on the fact that he attended muslim only schools in indonesia and was raised as a muslim. I see your warped point. I also agree that he is not a communist based on the fact that he hung around in communist groups in college as well as communist writers and professors. Only a dufus would think that spreading the wealth by taking from those who have worked hard for it and giving it to those who refuse to work is a communist. You need Lithium and not the 18volt battery kind. PS There is an evil Zionist Jew behind you trying to get your wallet! Think fast!(Speaking of low I.Q.s have you had yourself tested since the dementia started?)
Sick of Stupid

Ames, IA

#116 May 28, 2012
Oli wrote:
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First of all I'm in sixth grade so I can't just get up and walk out of class unless I want a detention. Secondly part of my social studies class is about evolution and my teacher even said it was only a theory and that he beilived in a higher being ( No not the government ). And finally communists belived in goverment running your whole life they also belive that we should have international health care whovh if you look a people in places like great britan you can see just how that works. My point is Obama is for government running our lives. He also wants all of his little Muslim buddies to take over. So based on the evidence I'm going to say that Obama is a communist which you don't need to be Glenn beck to figure out. And I'd rather have a republican in office then a democrat like you so Romney 2012
For a 6th grader you're very literate. So you must have managed to learn something in school so far. That's great. Good for you
I hope you have the foresight to educate yourself in alternative energy. Before your first grandkid is born there will be no more oil. Sorry about your luck kid.
As far as the " theory" of evolution goes, although there is no scientific proof (which is just not true) there is also no scientific research that debunks evolution either.....NONE.
It's good you have your own opinions on life, science, and politics. But you will find as you manage to learn more, your opinions will evolve. Just like everything else.
Oli

Worcester, MA

#117 May 30, 2012
Sick of Stupid wrote:
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For a 6th grader you're very literate. So you must have managed to learn something in school so far. That's great. Good for you
I hope you have the foresight to educate yourself in alternative energy. Before your first grandkid is born there will be no more oil. Sorry about your luck kid.
As far as the " theory" of evolution goes, although there is no scientific proof (which is just not true) there is also no scientific research that debunks evolution either.....NONE.
It's good you have your own opinions on life, science, and politics. But you will find as you manage to learn more, your opinions will evolve. Just like everything else.

Oh yes I'm sure that we'll all be using poluting rconomey ruining corn ethanol and gaint windmills. Oh horray we might even use 26 a gallon swamp gas another brilliant government invention. And my opinions will not evolve because I'm a person who beilives in smaller government and more freedom and that will never change.
Sick of Stupid

Ames, IA

#118 May 30, 2012
Oli wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yes I'm sure that we'll all be using poluting rconomey ruining corn ethanol and gaint windmills. Oh horray we might even use 26 a gallon swamp gas another brilliant government invention. And my opinions will not evolve because I'm a person who beilives in smaller government and more freedom and that will never change.
Whatever kid.
Have a nice summer.
asdf

Erie, PA

#119 May 30, 2012
Sick of Stupid wrote:
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I'm not wrong about incandescent bulbs. Electricity making a filiment in a vacuum glow is the same bulb Edison is credited with inventing. Filiment materials have changed, but the tech is still the same. Lots of energy wasted makIng heat and some of it making light. Same tech.
I don't believe you paid a federal "gas guzzler tax" on your vehicle, never heard of it so it so it can't be true. Sorry
I don't believe in any agenda right or left.
All I said was it is impossible that 10 billion people addicted to petroleum Burning millions of gallons of gas an hour all day every day could possibly have an effect on the global climate. Not to mention tons of coal burned daily too.
Do you agree with that or disagree?
Simple enough question.
How about an answer rude boy.
an incandescent bulb is an incandescent bulb...of course it is the same underlying technology or else it would be called something else, but it has been improved, which is what i said. they are much more efficient today then when edison invented the bulb. your original post made it sound like we were using the same exact bulb edison invented to which i said that is not true because it has been improved.

i don't care if you believe me or not about paying a gas guzzler tax. it does exist and has for decades. just because you think something doesn't exist, does not make it so.

i don't believe that we are 'addicted' to burning petroleum. i never wake up just craving a good oil burn. however, i believe that we are dependent on oil because that is how our society has evolved. Many positive benefits for mankind have occurred during the industrial revolution that would otherwise not have happened without oil. do i think it is good to pollute the air with the bi-products of burning petroleum products...no, i don't. but i don't believe there is any definitive proof that it changes our climate either...at least i have never seen any proof of that, just speculation. so, i think it is very dangerous to base policy decisions on something that might 'possibly' be true. don't you?
asdf

Erie, PA

#120 May 30, 2012
Sick of Stupid wrote:
<quoted text>
For a 6th grader you're very literate. So you must have managed to learn something in school so far. That's great. Good for you
I hope you have the foresight to educate yourself in alternative energy. Before your first grandkid is born there will be no more oil. Sorry about your luck kid.
As far as the " theory" of evolution goes, although there is no scientific proof (which is just not true) there is also no scientific research that debunks evolution either.....NONE.
It's good you have your own opinions on life, science, and politics. But you will find as you manage to learn more, your opinions will evolve. Just like everything else.
there is no scientific research that debunks that some sort of higher being created everything either. NONE. that doesn't make that true, although that is what i believe. i believe that to be true because of my faith, not because you can't prove that it isn't true. the burden of proof for macro evolution being true needs to come from the macro evolutionists...you can't say because you can't proof it's false, it must be true. that makes no sense.

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