Cap-and-Trade DOA in Senate

Cap-and-Trade DOA in Senate

There are 83 comments on the www.newsmax.com story from Jul 9, 2009, titled Cap-and-Trade DOA in Senate. In it, www.newsmax.com reports that:

The cap-and-trade bill to curb carbon emissions has passed the House of Representatives, but there's "not any way in the world" that it will pass the Senate, Sen. Jim Inhofe tells Newsmax.

The Oklahoma Republican, Ranking Minority Member on the Committee on Environment and Public Works, says the bill — strongly backed by the Obama administration and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — currently has only 34 supporters in the Senate.

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Ross

Tuscaloosa, AL

#1 Jul 9, 2009
The bill passed by the House is a bad bill that will hurt business for years. It needs to die and unceremonious death in the Senate.
Joe

Longwood, FL

#2 Jul 9, 2009
It's the most ridiculous legislation ever. No other countries are willing to do this. If this is passed we'll have the highest utility bills in the world and global pollution won't be affected one bit. Manufacturing plants and jobs will just go overseas to avoid cap and trade fines.

I don't want pollution either but this is just plain idiotic.
TheSmartGuy

Waleska, GA

#3 Jul 9, 2009
Joe wrote:
It's the most ridiculous legislation ever. No other countries are willing to do this. If this is passed we'll have the highest utility bills in the world and global pollution won't be affected one bit. Manufacturing plants and jobs will just go overseas to avoid cap and trade fines.
I don't want pollution either but this is just plain idiotic.
I'd like to see cap and trade one day, but in the middle of a recession. It's just a really bad idea. I say wait 5 years or so, when we get our legs back underneath us.
GetRidofRitter

Denver, CO

#4 Jul 9, 2009
TheSmartGuy wrote:
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I'd like to see cap and trade one day, but in the middle of a recession. It's just a really bad idea. I say wait 5 years or so, when we get our legs back underneath us.
So we can be back where we were, or even worse? Cap and trade needs to be buried six feet under, along with its cousin gov't health care.

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Kansas City, KS

#5 Jul 9, 2009
(D) Robert Byrd is against it too.
yankee

United States

#6 Jul 9, 2009
At least our senators have some sense. They want to have a chance to be relected. They will throw Obama under the bus.
Joe

Longwood, FL

#7 Jul 9, 2009
TheSmartGuy wrote:
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I'd like to see cap and trade one day, but in the middle of a recession. It's just a really bad idea. I say wait 5 years or so, when we get our legs back underneath us.
I'm all for less pollution and green energy but the problem is financial. It would be great if everyone could have a great life, there were no drug addicts, everyone was productive, there were and no prisons or crime either.

The problem with cap and trade is that we'd be the only ones doing it. China, Russia, India, Japan, no way. All that would happen is that plants will locate there. Total emissions would decrease here and increase there. And we are stuck with sky high utility bills.
Joe

Longwood, FL

#8 Jul 9, 2009
Boone Pickens did all those windmill ads and is now scrapping the project in spite of having ordered 200 of the them at a cost of 2 billion dollars.

Somebody is going to be getting a good deal on windmills,....maybe he can sell them on E Bay.

The problem with solar and windmills is that if they were the total answer we would have done them long ago. It's great to talk about this stuff and it make great campaign rhetoric, but it's just pixie dust.

It can work to a degree but it can't supply vast amounts of power. The only way to do that is either nuclear or coal fired until we actually invent a way to do it otherwise.

Obama really pulled a fast one with all his clean energy talk. He gets everyone all excited but at the end of the day the technology just isn't practical in most cases.
dont be fooled

United States

#9 Jul 9, 2009
Get rid of every congress person who voted FOR Cap and Trade.

What fools!

don't think this is done. The democrats are waiting till aFTER the 2010 elections.

vote out the democrats. They want to bankrupt this country fiscally and militarily.
Raptor in Michigan

Okemos, MI

#10 Jul 9, 2009
TheSmartGuy wrote:
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I'd like to see cap and trade one day, but in the middle of a recession. It's just a really bad idea. I say wait 5 years or so, when we get our legs back underneath us.
Obama doesn't hive a damn about the environment! He cares only about his control of the people agenda. If he cared about the environment, he would support coal, nuclear and domestic drilling and put an end to foreign single-hulled oil tankers crossing the seas daily and risking devastating oil spills on our shores. And since the biggest environmental threat we face is HABITAT DESTRUCTION, he would encourage people to leave portions of their property grow naturally to provide habitat for the declining wildlife populations.
Yeppers

Clermont, FL

#11 Jul 9, 2009
The Sentate needs to throw it in the trash can and burn it...Anyone that voted for this in the house needs to be kicked to the curb, and anyone who is for it in the Senate needs to go because they will vote for it if they get re-elected.
TheSmartGuy

Waleska, GA

#12 Jul 9, 2009
In response to all those responding to me. What should be done then? Propose an idea. I'm not sure where all of you live, but the greater part of California is living under a smog cloud. Atlanta is under a smog advisory regularly, and a very large portion of the southwest is in an "exceptional" drought. It's all well and good to say you don't support Cap and Trade, but at least it's an idea that was presented.
Shady Lady

United States

#13 Jul 9, 2009
Finally, as the popularity of the President wanes, and Americans see that his stimulus bill isn't stimulating, they are calling their Congress people advising them not to vote for any more expensive silliness. It is time to get serious about correctiing our Economic problems. Our prayers are being answered.
Lt dan

Knoxville, TN

#14 Jul 9, 2009
TheSmartGuy wrote:
In response to all those responding to me. What should be done then? Propose an idea. I'm not sure where all of you live, but the greater part of California is living under a smog cloud. Atlanta is under a smog advisory regularly, and a very large portion of the southwest is in an "exceptional" drought. It's all well and good to say you don't support Cap and Trade, but at least it's an idea that was presented.
MoVe...
TheSmartGuy

Waleska, GA

#16 Jul 9, 2009
Celtichooligan wrote:
Anyone, Dem or Rep voting yes on this bill should be charged as a DOMESTIC TERRORIST! They are going to finish what Osama Bin Laden started. Don't forget his ultimate goal was to cripple the american economy. Instead of guns and bombs, this is an infringement on capitalism and the death of americas wealth and way of life! When is enough ENOUGH I ask all of you?!
But your argument can be turned around against you. Isn't the other side arguing when is pollution too much pollution? I'm sorry, I don't see this post furthering anything other than fear mongering.
TheSmartGuy

Waleska, GA

#17 Jul 9, 2009
Joe wrote:
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I'm all for less pollution and green energy but the problem is financial. It would be great if everyone could have a great life, there were no drug addicts, everyone was productive, there were and no prisons or crime either.
The problem with cap and trade is that we'd be the only ones doing it. China, Russia, India, Japan, no way. All that would happen is that plants will locate there. Total emissions would decrease here and increase there. And we are stuck with sky high utility bills.
Didn't Japan and Russia at least agree to the Kyoto protocol? Yah, they did, so they're already committed to reducing greenhouse gases. Actually, we're the only industrialized nation under Annex I that ISN'T under a Cap and Trade System.
Yeppers

Clermont, FL

#18 Jul 9, 2009
TheSmartGuy wrote:
In response to all those responding to me. What should be done then? Propose an idea. I'm not sure where all of you live, but the greater part of California is living under a smog cloud. Atlanta is under a smog advisory regularly, and a very large portion of the southwest is in an "exceptional" drought. It's all well and good to say you don't support Cap and Trade, but at least it's an idea that was presented.
CA's freeways are clogged with traffic which means vehicles are sitting idling, that is the main problem with the smog in CA...They should figure out a way to unclog the freeways...They buy the majority (if not all) of their power from surrounding states because they turned their nuclear reactor into a planter so that isn't the problem...I've only been through Atlanta couple of times and in the wee hours of the morning to avoid the traffic congestion problems I hear they have there...There seems to be "smog" problems in big cities that have traffic congestion problems, so the traffic needs to be "unclogged"...The cap and trade tax bill is nothing more than a "tax", it would actually not do anything to improve "smog" because energy companies would still be allowed to pollute as long as they paid for it which of course the energy companies would pass the cost onto the consumers..."Climate change" is an excuse the politicians are using to tax the people, not clean up the "smog"...Cap and trade is not the answer...Improving our current technology is the answer, however, as long as we have organizations like the Sierra Club stopping that with lawsuits then new refineries that use the latest technology to refine oil and drilling for our own oil will not happen...
Joe

Longwood, FL

#19 Jul 9, 2009
TheSmartGuy wrote:
In response to all those responding to me. What should be done then? Propose an idea. I'm not sure where all of you live, but the greater part of California is living under a smog cloud. Atlanta is under a smog advisory regularly, and a very large portion of the southwest is in an "exceptional" drought. It's all well and good to say you don't support Cap and Trade, but at least it's an idea that was presented.
It's all the cars in California and the mountain ranges trapping the smog. Maybe LA residents should pay a smog tax for all the pollution they inflict on the planet. I live in Orlando and we enjoy nice air every day so why should we have to pay for California polluting the planet?

It's also been raining here every day for what seems like months so no drought here.
Joe

Longwood, FL

#20 Jul 9, 2009
Shady Lady wrote:
Finally, as the popularity of the President wanes, and Americans see that his stimulus bill isn't stimulating, they are calling their Congress people advising them not to vote for any more expensive silliness. It is time to get serious about correcting our Economic problems. Our prayers are being answered.
You're right, we all need to call and call and call.

100 million a day in interest is being spent every day on interest on the stimulus money alone.
That's taking the annual tax payment of 10,000 taxpayers who pay $10,000 annually in Federal Income Tax just to pay one days interest. And that's not paying anything back on the principal. That's insane.
Yeppers

Clermont, FL

#21 Jul 9, 2009
TheSmartGuy wrote:
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Didn't Japan and Russia at least agree to the Kyoto protocol? Yah, they did, so they're already committed to reducing greenhouse gases. Actually, we're the only industrialized nation under Annex I that ISN'T under a Cap and Trade System.
LOL, sure they did, but they haven't done a thing to meet the "obigations" they agreed to, but they sure would like us to fall for the Kyoto protocol, they know if they actually did what they agreed to do their economies would be destroyed...They sure would like us to agree to it so we can sink further...

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fg-obama-clima...

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