No Cut in Money for Abortion Providers

The Senate blocked a bid by anti-abortion forces Thursday to cut off money for clinics that provide family planning and other health services in addition to abortions. Full Story
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Chicagoan

Elmhurst, IL

#1 Oct 18, 2007
Vitter needs to do his research - more people in this country are pro-choice than anti-abortion. It has skewed that way since Roe vs. Wade with very little change. This was Vitter's personal conservative agenda.
Mark Tanner

Union, IL

#2 Oct 18, 2007
Abortion, is each individual states decision. Whys Senate, even involved?

Since: Sep 07

Belleville, IL

#3 Oct 18, 2007
I know what we should do. Put a wh.or.e house in every single abortion clinic. That way, Diaper David would not only be happy to support them, but increase the money hugely.
What an incredible hypocrite that sc.u.mbag is.
xtch3

Lisle, IL

#4 Oct 18, 2007
I get the feeling that what he and his cohorts would REALLY like is to remove all women's medical services. No cancer screening, no prenatal care for poor women who want to have and keep their babies, no contraception ... nothing.

Why can't they see that by denying such care, they are simply increasing the NEED for abortions?

You have to love the compassion!!!!
Mom of 3

Round Lake, IL

#5 Oct 18, 2007
Every single American should have the right to vote on whether or not they want their tax money going toward the extermination of tiny human beings.

What a sad, sick society we have become.
xtch3

Lisle, IL

#6 Oct 18, 2007
But that's the whole point. Tax money is NOT going toward abortion. Tax money is being spent on prenatal care for indigent mothers; breast, uterine, cervical and ovarian cancer screenings; birth control information dispersal and condoms, pills and other contraceptive devices to PREVENT pregnancies (no pregnancy - no abortion!).

Money for abortions themselves is coming from the patients or their families or private donations.

However, he wants to withhold ALL federal money from Planned Parenthood and similar agencies simply because a tiny part of what they do does include abortions that are NOT paid for from Federal funds.
xtch3

Lisle, IL

#7 Oct 18, 2007
Mom of 3 --

Please understand that I respect your thoughts and position.

I'm also a mother of three and a grandmother of three. I loathe the entire idea of abortion when used as 'birth control' by careless, irresponsible couples.

BUT I'm old enough to have known a couple of people who have needed an abortion, and in those specific cases, I think to have NOT permitted an abortion would have been an INHUMANE and very un-"Christian" act!!!!!!

Sometimes it truly is the less horrible of two really awful potential outcomes.
Mark Tanner

Union, IL

#8 Oct 18, 2007
"no prenatal care for poor women who want to have and keep their babies, no contraception... nothing.[[Poor women, should be biggest contraception, buyers of all. Unfortunately its not like that! Its more fun having kid and let people with intelligence support it. Democrats, see to it!]]
Sue

Greenwood, DE

#9 Oct 18, 2007
xtch3 wrote:
Mom of 3 --
Please understand that I respect your thoughts and position.
I'm also a mother of three and a grandmother of three. I loathe the entire idea of abortion when used as 'birth control' by careless, irresponsible couples.
BUT I'm old enough to have known a couple of people who have needed an abortion, and in those specific cases, I think to have NOT permitted an abortion would have been an INHUMANE and very un-"Christian" act!!!!!!
Sometimes it truly is the less horrible of two really awful potential outcomes.
"BUT I'm old enough to have known a couple of people who have needed an abortion, and in those specific cases, I think to have NOT permitted an abortion would have been an INHUMANE and very un-"Christian" act!!!!!!
Sometimes it truly is the less horrible of two really awful potential outcomes"

So we should have a law that allows abortion for any reason because of the rare ties that it might be necessary? Should we also legalize murder because there might be a time when someone might need to kill in selfdefense?

“Mr. Frownie Face as Xmas Tree”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere in the Northeast

#10 Oct 18, 2007
Mom of 3 wrote:
Every single American should have the right to vote on whether or not they want their tax money going toward the extermination of tiny human beings.
What a sad, sick society we have become.
Then can we vote on whether or not our tax dollars go to the war in Iraq because I do not want my tax dollars going toward the extermination of fully grown human beings? I also do not want my tax dollars to go towards capitol punishment. Can we vote on whether or not churches are taxed? I do not want ANY tax money to go to fake based initiatives or charities or ANYthing that has to do with religion, and I want a vote on that too. I also want to vote to make sure no money goes to abstinence only education. I think all of these things are morally repugnant.

lets START the voting!
xtch3

Lisle, IL

#11 Oct 18, 2007
I'm not qualified to know the hearts and souls and details of every woman and every pregnancy, so yes, I think abortion should be legal and between the woman, her family (hopefully), her doctors and her God. I can't and won't make judgements about other women's choices. I am NOT God.

But denying contraception to women is simply going to result in MORE abortions or more babies being born into tragic circumstances.

So cutting funding for all women's services (which is what the man in this article wants to do) will not improve matters. It will just make matters worse.
xtch3

Lisle, IL

#12 Oct 18, 2007
Very well said, Chickypoo! Great post.

Like you, I can think of a long list of things my tax dollars support that I PERSONALLY do not! I'd LOVE to be able to vote on those things.

“Mr. Frownie Face as Xmas Tree”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere in the Northeast

#13 Oct 18, 2007
This just exposes the real agenda of anti-choice. No birth control, no family planning. Just return women to the slavery of their bodies because THAT is what "god" intended!

Can't deny it anymore and it is time for women to wake up and see that this is NOT about the "tiny baybees", it is about the control of women.
Sue

Greenwood, DE

#14 Oct 18, 2007
xtch3 wrote:
I'm not qualified to know the hearts and souls and details of every woman and every pregnancy, so yes, I think abortion should be legal and between the woman, her family (hopefully), her doctors and her God. I can't and won't make judgements about other women's choices. I am NOT God.
But denying contraception to women is simply going to result in MORE abortions or more babies being born into tragic circumstances.
So cutting funding for all women's services (which is what the man in this article wants to do) will not improve matters. It will just make matters worse.
I agree, contraceptives should be provided to every man and woman.
Call to Action

Holly, MI

#15 Oct 18, 2007
"Poor women, should be biggest contraception, buyers of all. Unfortunately its not like that! Its more fun having kid and let people with intelligence support it."

See, it is this sort of sexism that we are trying so hard to fight. Why do WOMEN have to bear all the responsibility? Why can't the guys be responsible for contraceptives? And why target the "poor women" at all? What are you saying? A lack of cash makes a woman a slut? Cause quite frankly, there are some pretty slutty rich girls...

“Mr. Frownie Face as Xmas Tree”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere in the Northeast

#16 Oct 19, 2007
xtch3 wrote:
Very well said, Chickypoo! Great post.
Like you, I can think of a long list of things my tax dollars support that I PERSONALLY do not! I'd LOVE to be able to vote on those things.
Thank you.

I am sure we all wish we could send our hard earned taxes ONLY to programs we approve of, but is not a very realistic idea!

The program I would most support is the pay off chickypoo's car & student loans program. I wonder if anyone else is willing to give their taxes to that program??? ;-)

“Mr. Frownie Face as Xmas Tree”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere in the Northeast

#17 Oct 19, 2007
Sue wrote:
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I agree, contraceptives should be provided to every man and woman.
Oh....woah. OMG!!!! Did the world just stop spinning?? Are pigs flying? Did hell freeze over????

We AGREE on something!

But here, let me ruin it. I think they should have it starting at however young they want it, WITHOUT parental consent, as long as a medical professional has to examine them, councel them, and prescribe it and monitor carefully. AND the should have counseling on how to approach their parents and TELL them. BUT if they do tell their parents, the parents should NOT have the power to stop the BC.
reza santorini

Skokie, IL

#18 Oct 19, 2007
The choice for an abortion is a choice for an individual...it provides physical health and or mental health for a person.

People are not just their fetus.
xtch3

Lisle, IL

#19 Oct 19, 2007
Long true story. Those disinterested should just skip this post entirely.
About telling parents --
In the school district where I used to teach, the high school policy was that whenever a student spoke with a counselor, it was PRIVATE. Not information to be shared with anyone. When the student graduated, all notes were destroyed.
There were two exceptions however: 1.) if a student seemed to be indicating that he/she was considering suicide and 2.) if a student seemed to indicate that she might possibly be pregnant. In both cases, counselors were to contact the parents.
You have to remember that this was a long time ago and the current thinking was "If a student says something to the effect of 'My friend wants to know'", then you could assume he/she was really asking for themselves.
Okay -- Girl has a friend who thinks she MIGHT be pregnant. Friend wants to know, but has no money and no transportation to a clinic anyway. She is afraid to tell anyone, including her counselor. So Girl goes to her OWN counselor and says "My friend needs to know if there is a way she can get a pregnancy test anonomously and free. And if so, how can she get there?"
Counselor dutifully fulfills school's contract obligation and calls Girl's home. Unfortunately, Girl's father had just been fired and was home getting roaring drunk. Girl walks in the door, Father beats the hell out of her and literally throws her out onto the lawn. Neighbor boy coming hom from school sees this, runs and tells his own Mom who calls the police.
Girl nearly dies from several fractures, punctured lung, etc.
She's never even had a date!
Girl's family is totally torn apart and Girl ends up choosing to move into a foster home after her release from the hospital.
So yes, I think we do need to revisit whether or not parental disclosure is appropriate for all. Even THAT should be taken on a case by case basis. I have a feeling that most girls know far better than any "officials" how their parents might react.
Sue

United States

#20 Oct 19, 2007
chickypoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh....woah. OMG!!!! Did the world just stop spinning?? Are pigs flying? Did hell freeze over????
We AGREE on something!
But here, let me ruin it. I think they should have it starting at however young they want it, WITHOUT parental consent, as long as a medical professional has to examine them, councel them, and prescribe it and monitor carefully. AND the should have counseling on how to approach their parents and TELL them. BUT if they do tell their parents, the parents should NOT have the power to stop the BC.
As long as you don't include abortion I agree.

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