Push for digital health records spark...

Push for digital health records sparks debate

There are 57 comments on the www.dnj.com story from Apr 7, 2009, titled Push for digital health records sparks debate. In it, www.dnj.com reports that:

Kathleen Sebelius, the White House nominee for Health and Human Services secretary, calls the move to computerization "one of the linchpins" of overhauling the nation's health care system. Obama casts it as a factor in the nation's economic recovery, saying going paperless would "save billions of dollars and thousands of jobs."

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Chilled Out

United States

#1 Apr 7, 2009
Paperless!!!!! WTF? Sebelius and BHO are both clueless. The only way this economy will recover
and survive is when this present administration is GONE!!!!!!!!!!

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#2 Apr 7, 2009
YAY!

Paperless will save trees, too!

Trees we can HUG!!

Since: Mar 09

Kansas City, MO

#3 Apr 7, 2009
Chilled Out wrote:
Paperless!!!!! WTF? Sebelius and BHO are both clueless. The only way this economy will recover
and survive is when this present administration is GONE!!!!!!!!!!
Idiot. Every hosptial is pushing for it to reduce costs, and mistakes. You ever go to the doctor and find yourself filling out the same info every time to you see a doctor. And when you have to go to the radiologists, you fill it out again.

When another doctor is suggested for a particular issue, you fill out the same info again.

The info is not shared. Then you have to fill out important history info so the doctor understand your situation. So the accuracy of that analysis is based on what you decide to document on the form during that visit.

Imagine how costly banking would be if everything you do at the bank is stored on a sheet a paper, and not on computer files.

Imagine how must slower your bank would operate.

Imagine the cost to you if you bank had to go to a file cabinet every time you requested a balance amount?

I know you're used to paper records at the doctor's office and can't see any advantage in moving away from that.

But imagine the mistakes and cost of service if the banks were not using electronic/paperless records.

Same holds true to electronic medical records. I'm all for it. Regardless of who pushes it. It will reduce cost, time, and mistakes.

Since: Mar 09

Kansas City, MO

#4 Apr 7, 2009
Gunner wrote:
YAY!
Paperless will save trees, too!
Trees we can HUG!!
That too.
YouHelpFixIt

Scottsdale, AZ

#5 Apr 7, 2009
I have yet to hear of a EHR system that will allow the patients and only the patients to control who has access to what portions of thier information.

I wonder when they calculate the savings if they include the people who do not want to participate and the effect they have on the system when they avoid preventative care, use false identities, or seek treatment from healthcare providers outside of the system.

Since: Mar 09

Kansas City, MO

#6 Apr 7, 2009
YouHelpFixIt wrote:
I have yet to hear of a EHR system that will allow the patients and only the patients to control who has access to what portions of thier information.
I wonder when they calculate the savings if they include the people who do not want to participate and the effect they have on the system when they avoid preventative care, use false identities, or seek treatment from healthcare providers outside of the system.
Thats already in place. I work for medical company, and you can be fired for viewing medical records you have no reasons to be looking at.

Thats in place because federal laws are in place saying its illegal to do so.

You're medical records are already private. That won't change because of electronic medical records.

Also, like banking there is no choice. Your records are electronic. You can't tell the bank to keep all your info on paper, because you want your privacy.

Besides, folks can look at your paper medical records now, and you have no audit trail to say who saw what.

We currently have hospitals using EMR now. Imagine the nurse wheeling that pill cabinet into a patients room to give him his nightly pills.

The nurse no longer has to read gobblygook on a doctors chart, and guess the right combo of pills. Now the Pillbox reads the barchart for the patient and the right combination of pills are given.

When patients go to a secondary doctor, they are not required to fill out forms again. They have it all on site. That saves 30 minutes right there.
Chilled Out

United States

#7 Apr 7, 2009
Hannibal Barca wrote:
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Idiot. Every hosptial is pushing for it to reduce costs, and mistakes. You ever go to the doctor and find yourself filling out the same info every time to you see a doctor. And when you have to go to the radiologists, you fill it out again.
When another doctor is suggested for a particular issue, you fill out the same info again.
The info is not shared. Then you have to fill out important history info so the doctor understand your situation. So the accuracy of that analysis is based on what you decide to document on the form during that visit.
Imagine how costly banking would be if everything you do at the bank is stored on a sheet a paper, and not on computer files.
Imagine how must slower your bank would operate.
Imagine the cost to you if you bank had to go to a file cabinet every time you requested a balance amount?
I know you're used to paper records at the doctor's office and can't see any advantage in moving away from that.
But imagine the mistakes and cost of service if the banks were not using electronic/paperless records.
Same holds true to electronic medical records. I'm all for it. Regardless of who pushes it. It will reduce cost, time, and mistakes.
Look moron don't call me by your family name of Idiot! You and the rest of the liberal stooges
cannot even begin to understand the invasion of
privacy these type of proposals foster. Get the facts and you won't sound so pitiful!!
JMKC

Lees Summit, MO

#8 Apr 7, 2009
One poster here sounds like a supposed self-appointed expert, who only works in a stinkin nursing home, and who voted for Obozo, and will say anything to justify this latest move to take us one step closer to One World Government/Big Brother/AntiChrist.

"You're medical records are already private. That won't change because of electronic medical records."

It WILL change, because there are no appropriate safeguards in place to prevent identity theft.

It WILL change, because, unlike the HIPPA rights we now enjoy, this is a FORCED MOVE and NO ONE has the option to opt out of having their medical records put online.
Lance Winslow

United States

#9 Apr 7, 2009
Hannibal Barca wrote:
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Thats already in place. I work for medical company, and you can be fired for viewing medical records you have no reasons to be looking at.
Thats in place because federal laws are in place saying its illegal to do so.
You're medical records are already private. That won't change because of electronic medical records.
Also, like banking there is no choice. Your records are electronic. You can't tell the bank to keep all your info on paper, because you want your privacy.
Besides, folks can look at your paper medical records now, and you have no audit trail to say who saw what.
We currently have hospitals using EMR now. Imagine the nurse wheeling that pill cabinet into a patients room to give him his nightly pills.
The nurse no longer has to read gobblygook on a doctors chart, and guess the right combo of pills. Now the Pillbox reads the barchart for the patient and the right combination of pills are given.
When patients go to a secondary doctor, they are not required to fill out forms again. They have it all on site. That saves 30 minutes right there.
Security of the records is the key issue.
Brazo de Santo

United States

#10 Apr 7, 2009
Hannibal Barca wrote:
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Thats already in place. I work for medical company, and you can be fired for viewing medical records you have no reasons to be looking at.
Thats in place because federal laws are in place saying its illegal to do so.
The feds are the ones that want the information.

Since: Mar 09

Kansas City, MO

#11 Apr 7, 2009
Lance Winslow wrote:
<quoted text>Security of the records is the key issue.
Yeah, just like banking records.

Btw folks, I don't work in a nursing home. I'm an engineer for a company that makes medical devices, software, etc.

You'd be surprised how many deaths are caused by accidents due to poor control and record keeping.

And it's personal when I speak about filling out forms every time you step into a doctors office.

Hospitals are dying for technology, they just can't afford it.

We don't mind having our financial records stored electronically. You think bad guys can do more damage with health records than financial?

We seem to be okay with our finanances processed this way. Its cheaper and safer folks. I don't see why we'd be against it just because a Dem is pushing for it.

Oh now wait. I understand that now. It's politics first.

Since: Mar 09

Kansas City, MO

#12 Apr 7, 2009
Brazo de Santo wrote:
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The feds are the ones that want the information.
Conspiracy...oh thats it.

Thank god they can't get to our financial info. Oh wait, they can.

Since: Mar 09

Kansas City, MO

#13 Apr 7, 2009
Its idiotic to bring politics into an otherwise sane discussion. But thats what we do here I guess.

I wonder why folks are ok with the benefits gained by having electronic financial records, from ATMs to cheaper banking.

I hear the security concerns, and they are well placed.

But are we saying we're more conformable with a Russian hacker getting to our finances, ss#, passwords, etc....but not comfortable with the same person knowing you had the measles at age 14?

“insight for me is past tense”

Since: Feb 08

Clarkdale/Phoenix/Sedona

#14 Apr 7, 2009
Chilled Out wrote:
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Get the facts and you won't sound so pitiful!!
A FOOL..and Ignorant!! typical is that of the,
Repugz and the Demand..of "Or Else What?" behavior,
you're anything but,Chilled Out....
back to topic;
30 years Experience American medicine..reveals Efficiency is the key...
as European medicine has mostly socialistic behavior and i presume we will eventually be close to..but not uncompetetive equal in short order.
GE,Seimens,Pharmacutical corps..will just have to be the Supportive Force behind industrial health financial backbone and imaging Quality..
EMR(digital)records and results are efficient and proficient.
Security being the only negative...personal information is; Confidentiality of the information; and assurances that the personal identity of the person or subject matter shall not be disclosed,,,unless any Blah blah blah..
There's gonna be broken disclosure...Like,The Octa mom..thang..that was a serious breach of HIPPA and personal identity UNconfidential disclosure. BUT****
we Need to start somewhere..
the speed and accuracy of Todays Digital medical Community is Paramount*
The money NOT spent on clerical and admin..time will be spent on better patient care and Watched peripherally for White collar abuse ..keeping the money out of the Back pockets of administrative scamming and CFO's CEO's that have a past history Embezzling.
Did i mention...Poll inquiry; Liberal=0 for CEO and CFO's of Hospital care.100% Conservative HMMmmmm
McLovin

Gig Harbor, WA

#16 Apr 7, 2009
Oh goody, more of our information in a laptop sitting on the front seat of an idiot employee's car! I think the bigger issue here is another government imposition from the almighty obamanation, not to mention the money it will cost to get these computer systems up and going, and lets not forget the chaos the government causes when they make mandates!
McLovin

Gig Harbor, WA

#17 Apr 7, 2009
Just think this could have eliminated Michelle Obama's job in her Chicago Hospital, wait that was eliminated when she left. What was she did do again? As far as I can tell she sat on her arse and collected a nice fat paycheck! Sounds like she had a nice scam going on there! Get over your party bias there are crooks on both sides liberal and conservative just look at all of Barry's nominations I don't think any of them were current on their taxes! Why don't you look into Congressman Rangel (D) if you want to see a crook. How about the Frannie and Freddie theivery, the top beneficiaries democrats! So get off the high horse before you break your neck!

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#18 Apr 8, 2009
If I go to a Doctor,my Medical records are limited to a small group of people.With Digital health records everyone in the country can see them. Look what happen to "Joe the Plumber".

"Ohio’s inspector general is investigating why a state agency director approved checking the state child-support computer system for information on “Joe the Plumber.”

Helen Jones-Kelly, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, confirmed today that she OK’d the check on Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher following the Oct. 15 presidential debate.

She said there were no political reasons for the check on the sudden presidential campaign fixture though the Support Enforcement Tracking System.

Amid questions from the media and others about “Joe the Plumber,” Jones-Kelley said she approved a check to determine if he was current on any ordered child-support payments.

Such information was not and cannot be publicly shared, she said. It is unclear if Wurzelbacher is involved in a child-support case. Reports state that he lives alone with a 13-year-old son.

“Our practice is when someone is thrust quickly into the public spotlight, we often take a look” at them, Jones-Kelley said, citing a case where a lottery winner was found to owe past-due child support.“Our practice is to basically look at what is coming our way.”

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#19 Apr 8, 2009
McLovin wrote:
Just think this could have eliminated Michelle Obama's job in her Chicago Hospital, wait that was eliminated when she left. What was she did do again? As far as I can tell she sat on her arse and collected a nice fat paycheck! Sounds like she had a nice scam going on there! Get over your party bias there are crooks on both sides liberal and conservative just look at all of Barry's nominations I don't think any of them were current on their taxes! Why don't you look into Congressman Rangel (D) if you want to see a crook. How about the Frannie and Freddie theivery, the top beneficiaries democrats! So get off the high horse before you break your neck!
"After Barack Obama became an Illinois state legislator, his wife moved up as well, scoring a job as 'vice president of community relations' at the University Of Chicago Hospital for a very generous salary of $121,910. When Obama became a senator in 2005, her 'salary' leapfrogged to $$316,962 for the same job...and one of Senator Obama's first acts in office was to see to it that the hospital received over a million dollars of your tax dollars as an earmark.

Well, Michelle has moved on,and guess what...that vital job of hers,worth a salary of over $300 K has been quietly eliminated.

It's the Chicago Way, cushy no-show jobs in exchange for political patronage...fist bump.

Of course, she had to work twice as hard to get half as far. She said so, so it must be true.

But I wonder, is this so very different that what Rod Blagojevich was popped for? Except that Blagojevich got caught and embarrassed everybody?"

http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/mich...
Chilled Out

United States

#20 Apr 8, 2009
2ndsight wrote:
<quoted text>
A FOOL..and Ignorant!! typical is that of the,
Repugz and the Demand..of "Or Else What?" behavior,
you're anything but,Chilled Out....
back to topic;
30 years Experience American medicine..reveals Efficiency is the key...
as European medicine has mostly socialistic behavior and i presume we will eventually be close to..but not uncompetetive equal in short order.
GE,Seimens,Pharmacutical corps..will just have to be the Supportive Force behind industrial health financial backbone and imaging Quality..
EMR(digital)records and results are efficient and proficient.
Security being the only negative...personal information is; Confidentiality of the information; and assurances that the personal identity of the person or subject matter shall not be disclosed,,,unless any Blah blah blah..
There's gonna be broken disclosure...Like,The Octa mom..thang..that was a serious breach of HIPPA and personal identity UNconfidential disclosure. BUT****
we Need to start somewhere..
the speed and accuracy of Todays Digital medical Community is Paramount*
The money NOT spent on clerical and admin..time will be spent on better patient care and Watched peripherally for White collar abuse ..keeping the money out of the Back pockets of administrative scamming and CFO's CEO's that have a past history Embezzling.
Did i mention...Poll inquiry; Liberal=0 for CEO and CFO's of Hospital care.100% Conservative HMMmmmm
You would know? You presume to know my party affiliation, however you cannot find your A*s
with both hands you loser liberal. I am certain you supported Odumba which speaks volumes of your stupidity.

“Tell the Truth”

Since: Nov 07

Orlando, Florida

#21 Apr 8, 2009
Fear not. Your medical information will soon be available for EVERYONE, just as your credit history is now available to everyone.

There used to be a time when your credit information was between you and your bank. Now everyone, including your employer, can check it out.

The same will eventually hold true for medical information. Your entire medical record sits in a data base which is currently available to insurance companies. They know every pill you've taken, every doctor you've ever seen, and every procedure you've ever had done. This is how they can turn you down for health insurance if they so choose. They know ALL about you.

And soon your employer will, too. As medical insurance costs climb, employers will be looking for ways to cut those costs and they will be checking out your medical records. Are you diabetic? You won't get the job or you may be next in line to be laid off. Do you take anti-depressants? Doesn't matter if you're completely stable, those meds cost and you'll be bypassed for the job. Do you have high blood pressure? Over 45? Had any form of cancer in your life?

In time you won't get a job or you'll be put out of a job depending on your health records. Right now employers have no access to these records, but eventually they will. And millions of us will find outselves on the outside looking in.

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