Cherokee, Lumbee argue over recogniti...

Cherokee, Lumbee argue over recognition bill

There are 990 comments on the Myrtle Beach Online story from Apr 19, 2007, titled Cherokee, Lumbee argue over recognition bill. In it, Myrtle Beach Online reports that:

American Indians from either side of North Carolina traveled to Washington on Wednesday to argue about whether one tribe's quest for legitimacy would harm another's proud heritage.

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JBraet

Bethlehem, PA

#980 Mar 24, 2014
No..........
I do not discredit a "HERO" The Lowry Gang of Roberson County NC
....... I discredit an Outlaw and a Murderer, a Thug and Gang Leader,Real Heroes do not Rob, Shoot,steal and Murder even if a Dime Novel which was a Tabloid back then glorifies them for it ! They were not interested in helping the poor, freedom, or helping their neighbors. They were motivated by jealousy, and “the riches of their more affluent neighbors .
He Murdered ,did crime and it didn't pay....Violent Crime doesn't pay not then not Now !!!!! This Bad boy and his gang were not Freedom Fighters just plain ole Crooks ! Outlaws just as Described..........period.
You need to search for real heroes to make an example to your youth not Outlaws .and these Beardy rednecks Obviously were not native Americans so don't pin this shameful rift raft on native people.
JBraet

Bethlehem, PA

#981 Mar 24, 2014
The LUMBEE Tribe Regional DNA Project
FamilyTree Lumbee Project Dna Results 2014 Haplos dominant R1,I, E

see for yourself..........

https://www.familytreedna.com/ ...

DNA Results= 99% Non-Native American Dna,(Not Natïve Dna types)
Composed of 99% African and Euro Dna.
Extreme High Vast majority African and European Dna Results
.Over 260 different haplogroups found among Lumbee claimants.
99% African and European types found to dominate the Dna results of Lumbees.

Of the Over 1000 Lumbee people tested only 9 people showed any trace Haplogroups of native American Dna which is below even the average for white americans.
Any native American Dna is extremely rare is tested Lumbees Tribe members..

European haplo R1,I and Black African Haplo E1 Dominant type origins

vastly and overwhelmingly dominated 99% of the tested Lumbee samples at this Lumbee Dna Family Tree Core Project Euro and African.
All Core and Lumbee family names represented to include but not limited to list just a few too many to list.

Bullock/cummings

Manor/Jacobs/sweat/

Oxendine/dial/kersey

Lowry/Locklear/lowery

Hunt/Brayboy/hammonds

Goins

The Majority of the Lumbee core names were represented by SuBSaharan African results(Black) and European Dna.

https://www.familytreedna.com/ ...
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#982 Mar 25, 2014
Jaimie wrote:
Ah John Bruno,
How does one tell the tale of the great long haired white man that labored outside and looked like a vampire until he bronzed his skin during farming and building labor and as long as the money comes in, announced himself another race to steer clear of white female stupidity to create a facade to distance for personal selection.
Women do the same by not changing their undies or shaving their armpit hair.

I do similar for a Vampire movements lab results of Pheramones that contrast another nation Aphrodite Pheromone that was worse then Heroine and morphine conjoined behavioral and mental detentions in the local faicninty form back int he 1930s-1970s. I'm glad to help, a women can't do man labor all her life for the locals until they find themselves. I have girl things to learn now. Knitting, weeving, spice combos with local sap(birn) for acupuncture for a more grass"roots" effect of healing practice.

So Ah Mighty Pagan Shaman, to cute fello go get the teeth done hum, do I use pine quills or which would you suggest for Wisconsin, or maybe just light Brigth with the sap burn for a more pshychological miraculous healing so no medical distrotation alerts.

Much Luck, hurry to visit, Jaimie
Donald

San Antonio, TX

#983 Mar 31, 2014
The lumbees want to Purchase the culture center land for a "Resort Type facility" they have announced this week!
sounds like a Casino under the disguise of 'Culture".
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#984 Apr 1, 2014
Cherakee can't purchase much of anything. They had to do genetic tests for proof of dna and nation, NOT who they are at all, very limited true Cherakee Indians. Then they wanted them to proof whihc nation they belonged to, once again go to Washignton and Quebec Canada the answers are their you were nto American indian or Cherakee. Very illusive or becoming completely extinct.

NAtive Affairs has a project with Genetics labs(paternity CLinics) with FBI and they test bllod of females or male sperm for appropriate Bid for birthing litigations for a closer match to over 63% dna compatibility of a higher blood link to a ntaural indian of the nation.
Shawn Sweat

El Paso, TX

#985 May 8, 2014
Funny you all can argue this out records show Sweat family Native American recognized in TN. NC. SC. Sweats were even prominent in Pamunkey...
Shawn Sweat

El Paso, TX

#986 May 9, 2014
Mulatto means person of color. People do not understand how racist the state Virginia was in the colonel period. Native Americans can easily be considered of African descent and easily get names confused spell names wrong most of my teachers pronounced me Sweet and I always corrected them to Sweat....
Shawn Sweat

El Paso, TX

#987 May 9, 2014
During the early census years of the United States beginning in 1790, "mulatto" was applied to persons who were identifiably of mixed African-American and or Native American ancestry...
Shawn Sweat

El Paso, TX

#988 May 11, 2014
If you want my humble opinion by facts Lumbee may very well be a made up name to rip off Native Americans such as Cheraw and Catawba..
Shawn Sweat

El Paso, TX

#989 May 14, 2014
Andrew Jackson Sweat (b.1822) was married to the daughter of James Clay (Cherokee enrollment between 1898-1914. Control #NRFF-75-53A-3873. Census Card #M2933.) James Clay is likely the descendent of Chief George Clay of North Carolina. Sweats were not Lumbee...
Saddlebrown

San Antonio, TX

#991 Sep 8, 2014
The first clear description of the Clear ethnic origins of Pembroke,NC Robeson County(scuffleton) mentions no Indian Tribe.

"THE MULATTO CAPITAL",Scuffleton(Pembr oke)Robeson County
Origin of the Free Negro Settlement
Lumberton,N.C.Feb.26,1872,NEW YORK TIMES.(Primary Source)

"The country was settled first by Scotch Highlanders before the Revolution,These Scotch SLAVEHOLDERS were hard masters.Here also were the Scuffletown Mulattoes-imposed upon for many generations by master and slave,Scuffletown(Pembroke,NC) ,got its name from the long scuffle of the whites and the Negro slaves and make freedom under the condition of color,contemptible among the mulattoes.I conceive that these NEGROES have been the slaves of Tories driven from the State at the close of the Revolution,and of the emancipated slaves of the Quakers,that they increased and multiplied by accessions from runaways,by the birth rate of force exerted on them an by the necessity of union or the sympathy of all neighboring free negroes with a"HOMOGENOUS NEGRO SETTLEMENT an Immemorial Free Negro Settlement."(PEMBROKE, NC)

New York Times 1872,a description of the Real Ethnic Origin of Lumbees Pembroke NC,,,New York Herald/Times

No Mention in this Origin Of any Tribal connections at all,just Immemorial Free Negroes,where is the prideful comments for this origin?? Its states clearly mulattos of negro origin! written and researched ,reported in 1872 before the mass Indian invented fabricated heritage .Then Jim Crow came along and no one mixed in RobCo any longer wanted to claim any black heritage no matter how real.Dna test on The Lumbee core familys and also Modern Genealogy reports by prominent Researchers Drs.Heinegg and Demarce have been traced back to only white and free African American colonist only,no Indians.
Saddlebrown

San Antonio, TX

#992 Sep 8, 2014
Shawn Sweat wrote:
If you want my humble opinion by facts Lumbee may very well be a made up name to rip off Native Americans such as Cheraw and Catawba..
The first clear description of the Clear ethnic origins of Pembroke(scuffleton) mentions no Indian Tribe.

"THE MULATTO CAPITAL",Scuffleton(Pembr oke)Robeson County
Origin of the Free Negro Settlement
Lumberton,N.C.Feb.26,1872,NEW YORK TIMES.(Primary Source)

"The country was settled first by Scotch Highlanders before the Revolution,These Scotch SLAVEHOLDERS were hard masters.Here also were the Scuffletown Mulattoes-imposed upon for many generations by master and slave,Scuffletown(Pembroke,NC) ,got its name from the long scuffle of the whites and the Negro slaves and make freedom under the condition of color,contemptible among the mulattoes.I conceive that these NEGROES have been the slaves of Tories driven from the State at the close of the Revolution,and of the emancipated slaves of the Quakers,that they increased and multiplied by accessions from runaways,by the birth rate of force exerted on them an by the necessity of union or the sympathy of all neighboring free negroes with a"HOMOGENOUS NEGRO SETTLEMENT an Immemorial Free Negro Settlement."(PEMBROKE, NC)

New York Times 1872,a description of the Real Ethnic Origin of Lumbees Pembroke NC,,,New York Herald/Times

No Mention in this Origin Of any Tribal connections at all,just Immemorial Free Negroes,where is the prideful comments for this origin?? Its states clearly mulattos of negro origin! written and researched ,reported in 1872 before the mass Indian invented fabricated heritage .Then Jim Crow came along and no one mixed in RobCo any longer wanted to claim any black heritage no matter how real.Dna test on The Lumbee core familys and also Modern Genealogy reports by prominent Researchers Drs.Heinegg and Demarce have been traced back to only white and free African American colonist only,no Indians.
william Chavez

San Antonio, TX

#993 Nov 10, 2014
The Lumbee Identity theft past Bills to be recognized as Cherokee,,Very Accurate !! Petitioned and ask for by croatan lumbee member petitions in Robeson County.Lumbee leaders then SEIZED upon the idea of claiming“Cherokee” heritage.In 1910,over the objections of the existing recognized Cherokee tribes,
1. 1910(January24)Introduction of a Federal bill by Lumbee members in the U.S.House of Representatives to change the tribes name from"Croatan to"Cherokee"at the request of the Croatans(lumbee)
THE BILL DID NOT PASS
2. 1913(July 10)Introduction of another federal bill by Lumbee members in the U.S. Senate to"change the tribes name from Indians of Robeson County to"Cherokee Indians"of Robeson County"by the Lumbee
THE BILL DID NOT PASS
3. 1924(March 20)Introduction of a bill again by Lumbee members in the U.S. House to change the tribal name to"Cherokee"by the lumbee
THE BILL DID NOT PASS
4 . 1932(May 9).A federal bill was introduced in the U.S.Senate to"RECOGNIZE AND ENROLL the tribe as"Cherokee Indians"at the request of the lumbee(croatan)council.
THE BILL DID NOT PASS
ATTEMPT TO STEAL A FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBES IDENTITY shame shame shame and With signed petitions each time by over 600 Lumbee members each and everYtime!
jmjandlal

Laurinburg, NC

#994 Jan 6, 2015
Amanda wrote:
I don't think that Lumbees should be recognized as a tribe because they can not proof it. I am also fed up with them trying to get recognized under other tribes, it is vey disrespectful to that tribe. I know I am three fourths cherokee and one fourth white and I find it disrespectful to claim to be something your not. American indians by the way dont have blue eyes,,black people hair,or brown skin. All american indians have red skin, black straight hair , and brown eyes. I know the lumbee tribe is a tri race (black, white, and american indian). the are a disgrace to the american indian communtiy with there lack of education, fighting pit bulls, drugs, crime and gangs which is everything the americans indians try to seperate theirselves from. I feel the only reason that lumbees want to be federal recognized is because most of them are on welfare. Real american indians are about doing for your self and not relying on anyone else. I think that the lumbee tribe should sumit to DNA testing so the truth will be known. And I think the Lumbee tribe should publicly apologize to all the tribes that they disrepected by trying to get federal recognized under.
"All american indians have red skin, black straight hair, and brown eyes" well if that isn't a stereotypical view of Indians I don't know what is. I can't believe someone claiming to be Indian is saying those words...."All" Indians look like Indians on tv.....I suggest that you do some research. A few of the Five Civilized Tribes from the North do not have straight black hair......as a matter of fact. There are federally recognized tribes from way back that look less like the stereotypical American Indian that you described.

Again, I suggest that some of you that spend so much time doubting others historical, ethnical and tribal affiliations spend time learning more about the history of American Indian tribes, there movements and intermarriages, and allow those of us that live in the skins of our ancestors to determine our racial background. There is no benefit for us for the last 100 years for being Indian....so this has been one long running conspiracy!

Please, learn your tribal history, your American history and your own family history before you spend so much time demolishing that of others.
Walter Jones

San Antonio, TX

#995 Jan 12, 2015
A Not so authentic Tribe !!!!!!!!!! Do not be scared to challenge their false heritage claim.
Nothing is overdue and nothing is owed this Invented Tribe of the Lost Colony??The motive $$$ Cash,benefits,free federal dollars and immunity as a Sovereign to commit corruption while denying any African Heritage posing as some mysterious Indians!
has never had any territory ....Many Questions to be asked ???
The Lumbee Identity theft past Bills to be recognized as Cherokee,,
Petitioned and ask for by croatan lumbee member petitions in Robeson County.Lumbee faction leaders then SEIZED upon the idea of claiming“Cherokee” heritage.In 1910,over the objections of the existing recognized Cherokee tribes,
After a failed bill to be recognized by Congress as "The Croatans"(The first fictitious claim)The Lumbee faction then seized upon the idea of a Cherokee scheme..
1. 1910(January24)Introduction of a Federal bill by Lumbee members in the U.S.House of Representatives to change the tribes name from"Croatan to"Cherokee"at the request of the Croatans(lumbee)
THE BILL DID NOT PASS
2. 1913(July 10)Introduction of another federal bill by Lumbee members in the U.S. Senate to"change the tribes name from Indians of Robeson County to"Cherokee Indians"of Robeson County"by the Lumbee
THE BILL DID NOT PASS
3. 1924(March 20)Introduction of a bill again by Lumbee members in the U.S. House to change the tribal name to"Cherokee"by the lumbee
THE BILL DID NOT PASS
4 . 1932(May 9).A federal bill was introduced in the U.S.Senate to"RECOGNIZE AND ENROLL the tribe as"Cherokee Indians"at the request of the lumbee(croatan)council.
THE BILL DID NOT PASS
The Lumbees then join the NCAI as the Cherokees of Robeson County!
5.After that The new claim was to be the Siouan and Cheraw heritages from then forward....
ATTEMPT TO STEAL A FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBES IDENTITY shame shame shame and With signed petitions each time by over 600 Lumbee members each and everYtime!

http://www.academia.edu/200859
stampschick

Hope Mills, NC

#996 Feb 20, 2015
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>
Wado thanks for the backup! All i simply do is put the LUMBEES own DNA results from their own DNA project and it shows that they are 96% Euro african and they try to dog me and say im wack but we all know who the wannabees are! The LUMBEEs, it even rytmes with Wannabee they even defy their own lack of Indian customs,no Artifacts,No treatys,no reservation,no language,no crafts, no Dna,they have failed the DNA test ,they are not Indigenous i completely agree. LUMBEE test results here :
Lumbee DNA Results done By Lumbee's
www.huxford.com/genetics_lumbee_results.htm
www.huxford.com/genetics_lumbee_results.htm
NOT NATIVE AMERICAN Check it out, The Portuguese and Spanish/African DNA is Overwhelming
in Lumbee's Native DNA Just not there but the Portuguese is no SUPRISE !!! Expalins why LUMBEES dont have a language thats Indian or Indian customs!!!YOU Lumbee THAT DUMB PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER ADMIT YALLS MISTAKEN HERITAGE AND WE CAN ALL HUG!!!! XOXO XOXO
Lol! Well, now the Lumbees are claiming that federal recognition should not come from genealogical evidence, but from tribal self-recognition. How convenient, since the DNA project showed little or no Native American ancestry. So if the evidence doesn't bear out your claims, simply change the critera for the federal recognition! I mean, why let facts get in the way of what one wants, aye?

Oh! And by the way, the link leading to the Lumbee-sponsored DNA testing shows the page has been removed. How convenient, again!!
S Duyukdv

San Antonio, TX

#997 Feb 23, 2015
In a study conducted by Oxendine a Lumbee member with a US legislator survey...Legislators said all that they see of the Lumbee is a tribe that looks like it is copying South West Indian culture or Plains Indian culture.
“… We have literally and figuratively lost our identity as a Native American tribe,” Oxendine said in the conclusion of his study.“We have become an institution of numbers and statistics about monies and politics and anything else that is far removed from the history and beauty of the Native American Culture. We are instead narrowing our focus and abandoning our sense of what Lumbee is and has been and should continue to be.
— Questions raised about whether the Lumbee have a culture of their own. Legislators said all that they see of the Lumbee is a tribe that looks like it is copying South West Indian culture or Plains Indian culture.
— The opinion surfaced that the Lumbee just copy the ways and traditions of other Indian tribes. And their government, legislators noted, is more like that of the “White Man” than other American Indian tribes.
— Forty-eight legislators were not impressed with the tribe’s website. They said it lacked information, and the fact that the chairman’s photo is the first thing one sees on the site represents the “vanity” of the administration.
During the interviews, Oxendine said 16 of the legislators commented on the salaries of upper administrative staff as read in various media accounts. Forty-one legislators indicated they were “disturbed” by inappropriate use of HUD funds by the Lumbee.
Oxendine said that 17 legislators questioned the use of HUD funds by Tribal Attorney Ed Brooks and wanted to know if he was paying money back for services considered ineligible for funding by HUD. Two senators also raised the question of an informal investigation into Brooks and the use of the money
Jose Chavez

San Antonio, TX

#998 Mar 5, 2015
There are serious problems with the tribal and individual identity of the Lumbee claimants.
Credible Prominent experts in the area of genealogy, who
have reached a conclusions concerning Lumbee identity that should not ignore.

Dr.Paul Heinegg, whose work has been recognized by The American
Society of Genealogists is an Award winning prominent researcher and Genealogist along with Genealogist Dr.Demarce concludes that the Lumbee are an invented North Carolina Indian tribe, and that many of the
persons who first self-identified as Indian in Robeson County, North Carolina, are not of Indian ancestry.
Primary sources such as Land patents and deeds filed with the colonial administrations of Virginia, North and South Carolina during this period show that individuals now claimed as Lumbee ancestors migrated from Virginia, where they were born, into southern North Carolina in colonial times along the typical routes of migration with other pioneers from Virginia. They obtained land deeds in the same manner as any other migrants. Research in court, tax, indenture and other records in Virginia has shown that most of these mixed-race ancestors were free in the colonial years;
the large majority were descendants of free white women (and the children took their status under the Virginia law of partus sequitur ventrem) and African men, who were indentured servants, free or slaves.In the first federal census of 1790, the ancestors of the Lumbee were enumerated as Free Persons of Color
johnson

San Jose, CA

#999 Mar 6, 2015
Shawn Sweat wrote:
During the early census years of the United States beginning in 1790, "mulatto" was applied to persons who were identifiably of mixed African-American and or Native American ancestry...
However that was rare to label an indian mulatto 99% of the time the person was just plain ole African American and a white slave master or free white person mixing since Africans were imported in the millions and the eastern tribes were just mere remnants after disease and war killed most off, disease killed off some tribes before they white even met them disease was set during trading and raped villages burned and killed spread diseases they had no immunities too,however the Africans were more immune to the disease having had contact with western civilizations back in Africa,Mulatto was not another term for indian so don't over state and exaggerate the use for Indians of mixed offsprings,african euro mix was the Norm.
johnson

San Jose, CA

#1000 Mar 6, 2015
yeah those Lumbee are so Fake they have no native American Dna or customs....very fake tribe its all for $$$$$$$$

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