Cherokee, Lumbee argue over recogniti...

Cherokee, Lumbee argue over recognition bill

There are 993 comments on the Myrtle Beach Online story from Apr 19, 2007, titled Cherokee, Lumbee argue over recognition bill. In it, Myrtle Beach Online reports that:

American Indians from either side of North Carolina traveled to Washington on Wednesday to argue about whether one tribe's quest for legitimacy would harm another's proud heritage.

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Jaimie

Madison, WI

#891 Feb 19, 2013
Dear John Bruno,

JAimie Drews
3033 Webb Ave #5 MAdison Wisc. 53714

Cherokee lands are in our hands, it is not Winnebago/Hochunk, Mom went to Quebec and got the Deeds and Treaties with King Phillups seal and Signature on it, it was Ours, she had foot prints and Dna run and has the LEgal copies, she is supposed to privilage Washington with the copies though and it goes to me for those reasons.

Hochunk came with Spanairds to kill Royals that were werewolfs, My fathers family. Avoca territories, I had the dream yes Cherokee MEAN and Balck and White coon talkers were nicer BUT it was them here first. Hochunk was sent by SPanards for a murder of the royal family, and if they can hide they can live life here.

We have the aztec and atlantian stuff as well though. Granparents lived on the hoard house aztec was guarding for atlantis. On Burr OAk LAne.
Cherry apple and grape orchard all there. No longer to marker.

I left note with BIA to get word to you I secured a residence but with Brian Injury and head injuries as you said when I can remember dont hurt myself.

XXOOO A friend. BUT I dont work for free now what you got for me? Indian Joe Chief in Hochunk is with me we affilate because his sons brandon mom, new daughter is fathered by the same man I share a daughter with BIA and RED CROSS own finacial shares and pulled blood and did a ritual, Sure dont have that paper trail but I knew that was illegal..... Love ya hun, Jame.
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#892 Feb 19, 2013
Outside of Russia Not Alaska was a Island. Winnebago aka Hochunk came from there. They had global exchange and poisened several nations food supply on purose, sat in Russia for execution and escaped on pirate ship, Spaniard inlaw had transport to USA wisc, They changed name to above still indited internaitonal to this day for global deaths.

Luv ya John hope it help cherokee
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#893 Feb 20, 2013
You have to pardon the typo errors, I am at local library no time to do spell check on a hour time frame.

POPE was in Wisc. many years prior, they had the records for Atlantis treasure hoard. HE pulled a piece of paper that had not gone civilan witness yet, it had Burr OAk street vegatation of the predictions, my grandparents back yard fruit trees and orchard was on it, it is the marker to locaiton, Location? By St Vincent De Paul and now what stands as Taco Bell, I dated the Imperial Decendent of Atlantis apperition as a kid, THe 2nd in charge of Zipcode ORdinence witnessed him give me a coin, I had it in my hand as it became soild cried kissed his cheek and gave it back, Dude tried to pull gun on the kid and he flew back to location under the tree he went in tree comes to life and asks if I was ready to come in too, No not anytime soon But Ill consider it a option.

ROcks by WIngra active CLONE project for best skilled and best looking of all male race is there, under ground facility of Aboretum. OR live rocks transmuting out to walk both realms.

As for me, I can go to Quebec and get my blood test as well, With Dads DNA spliced in it is more land and other things, and safer for mom, her family hoarded one indian race here, and dads did another. YIKES both families stand historical prosecutions, but is storeis valid or did someone play head games to secure residency. OUr family was KINGS boarder guards, aka lesser Royal family and the Kings brothers kids. YES papers are ready and COUNTY SEAT is well aware of agenda and rehabilitation and Excummunicaitons off property US NAVY and Airforce will own it with my signature. I get to pick who will remain and they will confiscate all property COntraband form current occupants.

WEll John Where will we live? YOu have to live a little distence, I really am the werewolf royals. Cherokee tore out the mothers heart after she birthed me in that life. THe black and white coon talkers assisted me. BUT in current life I have MUFFINMAN in WIsconsin and his humanoid masters and friends. Demon dog with quills, they have slits in the back of throats like a snake and a frothy spit comes out and forms a cocoon during slumber to camoflauge on the tress, the dogs are cocooned on ground. My friends as a child. Gave me radiation poisening though so dad did not want them to close and had to ask them to keep a distence, But I dealt with molecule man, jack frost, A 6 inch golden grasshoper with rainbow colored wings, a little boy the size of a ant that blows fire from sand stores the camp fire under gorund. Tree dieties, Weather temporment, A giant molecule that ran thru a portal, spiders that make portals. Damn fun life here as a kid.

But purpose intent, the papers for Cherokee land in WIsc yes I can get them thru mine. The HOchunk aka WInnebago, got fruadulant papers and knew when caught they would be deported to france to face global prosecutions for the poisening of export from their once island. They were fake papers that someone copied form a outdated doucument and the Spaniard Inlaw that marries into royal family had them drawn up, The INdian clan knew they were bogus until caught. OUrs has KINGS SEALS and SIgantures on it, they come with all land deeds and treaties and resale and redistirbution papers.

Little animal footprints, of INdians chiefs sons. It looks so silly but so real, little baby bear print but a man did it shaping his hand silly people but mean bad back then. Boozer for watered down whiskey and crops. But no indiain blood could handle real liquir then, Moleucles molesting mind and mind trapped in a beast of nature and everyone was on a man hunt to find all animals to see if chiefs can get their conscious mind back into right bodies. DONT PLAY TO MUCH get up and do it yourself, dont think to much write it on paper and turn things in.

COme visit it should be a wonderful adventure and counsil.
bill

Greer, SC

#894 Feb 22, 2013
I wish I was a injun.Does that make me a Lumbee?
SGomez

San Antonio, TX

#895 Feb 23, 2013
Now a DNA study in the Journal of Genetic Genealogy attempts to separate truth from oral tradition and wishful thinking.
The study found the truth to be somewhat less exotic:
Genetic evidence shows that the families historically called Melungeons(same as lumbee) are the offspring of sub-Saharan African men and white women of northern or central European origin.(Mulatto)
Lumbees can learn from their wishful thinking also ! Proof Demarce and heinegg were CORRECT
SGomez

San Antonio, TX

#896 Feb 23, 2013
THE MULATTO CAPITOL” Pembroke NC(and goes on to further clear this up with a definition,not my words but news facts of local and national 1872 era papers)

New york Herald 1872,

“AN IMEMMORIAL FREE NEGRO SETTLEMENT”
THE LARGEST IN THE USA AND NORTH CAROLINA, Scuffleton(PEMBROKE)ROBESON COUNTY
“AN HOMOGENOUS “NEGRO COMMUNITY”
“AN HOMOGENOUS “NEGRO COMMUNITY”

IT FURTHER STATE FREE SLAVES OF TORRIES AND QUAKERS HAVING MULTIPLIED WITH RUNAWAYS SINCE COLONIAL TIMES FORMED THIS COMMUNITY.
IF LUMBEE IT WAS SUCH A LARGE TRIBE OF INDIANS THERE THEY WOULD OF STATED THAT,
IT FUTHER GIVES POPULATION STATS AND
SAYS OF THE FULL BLOODED INDIANS “NONE”(0) WERE IN ROBESON COUNTY BUT ALL WERE FURTHER WEST NEAR THE MOUNTAINS.
PEMBROKE NC,“AN HOMOGENOUS “NEGRO COMMUNITY” NEW YORK HERALD 1872
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#897 Feb 25, 2013
SGomez wrote:
Now a DNA study in the Journal of Genetic Genealogy attempts to separate truth from oral tradition and wishful thinking.
The study found the truth to be somewhat less exotic:
Genetic evidence shows that the families historically called Melungeons(same as lumbee) are the offspring of sub-Saharan African men and white women of northern or central European origin.(Mulatto)
Lumbees can learn from their wishful thinking also ! Proof Demarce and heinegg were CORRECT
Funny all black people seem to believe in USA that Africa is a Nation and only Black. Continent and over 60% whites, Black were made like a JAne Guddal story A white researcher that was pregant and loved the new Gorrila hybrid that Japan made had a baby since developemnt was incubus stage while researching the WHITE BABY came out resembling her research And black was made. BUT it was white. REALLY do Genetics research prior to hate slander crimes.
I think one hebrew or Arab land had a funny looking monkey ported in their cargo as well, the NOSE resembled it only after monkey was imported, since they didnt want to feel shame from low self esteem, they indicated pride and esteem for psychic profiling of features, NO same as above, genetics of research of something around during the lectrical partical distributions of Brain Registry of what you are looking at while features were in development.

I did a little background look. I rememebr being in my mothers womb 2 times, 1st I was miscarried, they swore to her I was dead, I even lived thru the abortion machine, but died dismembered drs were laughing I know your alive kid, Mother swore my fingure moved the nurse did to, the doctors took me away My one finger was all I could move I was dislocated alive elesewhere WITH PAIN I traveled and met things, and then in her womb again

At St MArys Hosptial for my 2nd birth of the same women A boy was brought in around 20 minutes after me in baby ward, his family thoguht it was hilbilly old systems and paid the nurse to swap their kd for Linda Drews baby and paid staff $250 they refused to do it and I remained J. DREWS female child I dont know what they did with the boy, but they said they refuse to give money back they can call police, boy was form out of town family and had no clue that several staff and 2 muns went to prison a few years prior for baby swappign crimes, My mom reported 4 2 of them were placed intot heir real family, investigations were put out for the other 2.

James COpus my grandfather brother, John? Stoel 4 of James children and sold them and swapped for others, MAry Copus(HArmes) went to Evenville, Uncle Wayne the man she married was paid to get her close to her family JOHN GROSSES MOm is Marjorie Perkins (COPUS real sister) Not Mary (John Gross told me, then he changed his clothes infornt of me when I was 18 yrs old. OMG are you kidding me, my middleton group would have kilt him for real They are mean boys fathers in killer families their first kills were at 9 years I was guilty of going to school with them and being in classroom next door.Northside Elementary school 1978.
GomezS

San Antonio, TX

#898 Mar 4, 2013
The Lumbee think that their state recognition program gives them the same authority and exemptions as a Sovereign nation like federal Indian tribes have which allows them as Sovereign nations certain federal protections but it doesnt.. states actually have no constitutional authority to even create Indian tribes like the Lumbee so these invented state tribes are now trying to slick their way into federal benefits by claiming to be real tribes equal of the federal treaty tribes and that includes casinos and take payer funded programs,these non fed-recognized always cry indian when it doesnt work even though they are not prooven to even really be indian peoples thats why they are not federally recognized as Indians or an indian sovereign nation,

so no feathers of endangered birds ,lets save the birds and ban these state and non recognized clubs !
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#900 Mar 5, 2013
EXCUSE ME HER PARENTS his are deceased.
steveD

San Antonio, TX

#901 Mar 11, 2013
These lumbee had to downplay their African or mixed heritage and exigerate and overstate their "Native American" identity because of the intense racism in the past.
They have been identified as mixed black/white ancestry from the 1700s and were speaking ENGLISH even in the earliest historical references.

A considerable amount of genealogical research shows the majority of the founding "Lumbee" families descend from free black males and white females that came down from early Virginia settlements.They participated in colonial life as "individuals" not as any recognized tribe. Paying taxes, buying property, mustering in colonial and American militias same as all other colonials.Early colonial records list Lumbee ancestors "as is all "free negors "and mulattos" on kings land and that "no Indians "live in Robeson County area.

They were "never identified as an intact tribe that entered into a treaty with the US.They have never been a sovereign nation or had reservation lands.typically the Lumbee lived as "Individuals or free colonist on farms.They initially put forward an origin story that they were the descendants of the "Lost Colony."in other words descended from Europeans.
Ryank

Wrangell, AK

#902 Mar 15, 2013
Disgusted in Lumberton wrote:
By thier own origin story, the Lumbee tribe does not deserve Federal Recognition. They claim to be descendants of the lost colony which would negate their claim at being "full-blooded" Native Americans that deserve federal recognition. The majority of the tribe is already living off of public assistance, so in a way the government is already supporting them, just not in the way they want or to the extent they want.
Absolutely offensive and uneducated. my Grandfather is full blood Lumbee Cherokee, making me a quarter. his ancestors were some of the first people to be forced up the trail of tears. in the 1960s during segregation he was labeled as a native American and was mistreated for it. The fact that you publicly bash a group of struggling natives is flabbergasting it makes me question your personal upbringing and the future of your descendants. I hope your uneducated corpulent ego is satisfied for what ever sick reason.
SteveD

San Antonio, TX

#904 Mar 15, 2013
if you are Lumbee then you are a fake and confused about your real black/white mulatto heritage and not really native American,

it is common knowledge so get over it,

there is no such thing as a full blooded lumbee,
so it makes you a liar and very ignorant

you need a DNA test and then you will see you have 0% 0% percent native American DNA mr ryank !

they are cheap nowadays no excuse mr.im a full blooded lumbee...clown
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#905 Mar 16, 2013
Ryank wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely offensive and uneducated. my Grandfather is full blood Lumbee Cherokee, making me a quarter. his ancestors were some of the first people to be forced up the trail of tears. in the 1960s during segregation he was labeled as a native American and was mistreated for it. The fact that you publicly bash a group of struggling natives is flabbergasting it makes me question your personal upbringing and the future of your descendants. I hope your uneducated corpulent ego is satisfied for what ever sick reason.
Down Bruno,

We function and are funded as a human being in USa, not funded or affilated by group. To travel in numbers bring much attnetion, the only protection is you are in center of crowd when dragon is around.
Gomez S

San Antonio, TX

#906 Mar 18, 2013
In 2013 ....Two New groups in Virginia that claim Cherokee heritage are seeking state-recognition in that state’s General Assembly.

The Appalachian Cherokee Nation of Virginia and the United Cherokee Indian Tribe of Virginia, Inc., aka Buffalo Ridge Band of Cherokee, are seeking recognition through Virginia Senate Joint Resolution No. 300 (SJR 300

Rosalee “Sacred Sparrow” Evans, the group’s genealogist and a member of the Council, commented,“We don’t want any money. We’re not into that stuff. We just want to be recognized. Say that the Cherokee are here in Virginia. That’s all we ask. State recognize us like the other tribes..

however the Lumbee had also claimed to be Cherokee before congress for over 40 years with numerous bills and petitions before congress to be enrolled and recognized as Cherokee,the lumbee even joined the NCAI as cherokee of Robeson County in 1940 so some see it as a way to get in just like the Lumbee did in north Carolina !!

The Lumbee past Bills to be recognized as Cherokee

1. 1910(January24)Introduction of a Federal bill in the U.S.House of Representatives to change the tribes name from"Croatan to"Cherokee"at the request of the Croatans(lumbee)

THE BILL DID NOT PASS

2. 1913(July 10)Introduction of another federal bill in the U.S. Senate to"change the tribes name from Indians of Robeson County to"Cherokee Indians"of Robeson County"by the Lumbee

THE BILL DID NOT PASS

3. 1924(March 20)Introduction of a bill again in the U.S. House to change the tribal name to"Cherokee"by the lumbee

THE BILL DID NOT PASS

4 . 1932(May 9).A federal bill was introduced in the U.S.Senate to"RECOGNIZE AND ENROLL the tribe as"Cherokee Indians"at the request of the lumbee(croatan)council.

THE BILL DID NOT PASS

ATTEMPT TO STEAL A FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBES IDENTITY
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#907 Mar 19, 2013
Gomez,

a Cherokee Killed a Werewolf in Wisconsin after she had given birth, he ripped out her heart, she told the child when she said HIDE was don't ever forget you are Princess

The child hid with a racoon and saw bandits INDIANS in Wisc she laughed the band that killed her mother will forever pay NOT ALL just the band, but she loved watching the bandit indians black and white like the marsupical(SP)(racoon)

I believe my friend John BRuno MOther and father were of one indian band maybe not the killer, and his other parent was decendent of the werewwolf royals around Avoca areas my family coming home for retirment.
Gomez S

San Antonio, TX

#908 Mar 25, 2013
false groups like the Lumbee,Croatan ,Siouan,Cherokee of Robeson County or the Cheraw as they now call themselves after identifying as all or any of the above have a long history of distorting the facts"
these groups have gone so long without anybody contesting their ridiculous claims, they have gained some local acceptance "The consequence of that is that they want to interject themselves into interpretation issues.
There have been situations where they have interjected themselves into Indian Child Welfare issues."
The state legislator might acknowledge them as a tribe or as leaders of a tribe. For some, it's status, taking on an identity that they did not have."
And as more adults join these groups, their children usually follow leading to even more people living with a false identity.a perfect example is the Lumbee of North Carlina
"Now you are getting the third and fourth generation of people who think they are Indians. The little ones coming up are immersed in a false tribal identity. They don't know any better, but they are going to grow up thinking they are Indian," even in the face of DNA and no real indian heritage or customs and no indian history explained away by.. we were called mulattos then..or part of the Lost Colony..
As generations come and go, more groups will emerge distorting history, language and culture; wanting federal dollars for services; land and treaty rights; sovereignty; and wanting to impose their views on Indian matters.
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#909 Mar 26, 2013
Gomez S wrote:
false groups like the Lumbee,Croatan ,Siouan,Cherokee of Robeson County or the Cheraw as they now call themselves after identifying as all or any of the above have a long history of distorting the facts"
these groups have gone so long without anybody contesting their ridiculous claims, they have gained some local acceptance "The consequence of that is that they want to interject themselves into interpretation issues.
There have been situations where they have interjected themselves into Indian Child Welfare issues."
The state legislator might acknowledge them as a tribe or as leaders of a tribe. For some, it's status, taking on an identity that they did not have."
And as more adults join these groups, their children usually follow leading to even more people living with a false identity.a perfect example is the Lumbee of North Carlina
"Now you are getting the third and fourth generation of people who think they are Indians. The little ones coming up are immersed in a false tribal identity. They don't know any better, but they are going to grow up thinking they are Indian," even in the face of DNA and no real indian heritage or customs and no indian history explained away by.. we were called mulattos then..or part of the Lost Colony..
As generations come and go, more groups will emerge distorting history, language and culture; wanting federal dollars for services; land and treaty rights; sovereignty; and wanting to impose their views on Indian matters.
Dispute was by the glacier in Alaska
Will Wanup

San Jose, CA

#910 Apr 1, 2013
I agree that the Lumbee are fake and had a false history as Indians told to them but they should know better ,real natives don't change their origins or have to ask somebody else like an anthropologist like the lumbee did to guess at who they are,thats how you know lumbee fake,
save the funding for real natives some where on a reservation poor and desparate
Joe Smithen

San Jose, CA

#911 Apr 1, 2013
yeah them Lumbee in North Carolina are the invented group playing Indian for a casino,they been at it many years and still invented tribe , I would give them a vote or a penny !!! they really are African americans mixed out with white people called mulato.
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#912 Apr 3, 2013
Will Wanup wrote:
I agree that the Lumbee are fake and had a false history as Indians told to them but they should know better ,real natives don't change their origins or have to ask somebody else like an anthropologist like the lumbee did to guess at who they are,thats how you know lumbee fake,
save the funding for real natives some where on a reservation poor and desparate
Alright here is real truth, Father was Military most all my four fathers were, or priests, or miners, or the royal families:border guards impersonating farmers.

FECES was left behind by all settlers need it be native or not. WHAT Populated the earth you were trasported on colonies where your own GENETICS DNA was found dominent proofing yor personal family lived there for a real time duration. The rest was not Feces and urine it was blood form yoru own disputes, HWOSE FAMILY WITH WHO, after a flood trying to colonize and when another band stepped in and believed their cousin was in your band WARRED AND SLIT YORU THROATS if you refused to give their family up. SAD history GLAD im WHITE

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