Cherokee, Lumbee argue over recognition bill

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American Indians from either side of North Carolina traveled to Washington on Wednesday to argue about whether one tribe's quest for legitimacy would harm another's proud heritage.
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Guess Who

Las Vegas, NV

#21 Apr 4, 2008
Mama Mia Tennessee wrote:
Is this Lumbee an ofshoot of a umpa lumpa??????
Some like to make up tribes so they can get more assistance and have casino's...Why when you are Native American and the casino's made 26 billion just last year you don't see a penny of it...
Guess Who

Las Vegas, NV

#22 Apr 4, 2008
Blacks are not native American unless they have Native American Blood...
Lumbee By Nakoma Goins

Pinehurst, NC

#23 Apr 5, 2008
Hey iam medical student of sandhills and can beavly aforrd to go to school. Because of the white people taking all the FAFSA money that everyone should get. i didn't get one dime of that money. the lumbee tribe (MY TRIBE)by all means should be federal recognized too recieve some help with school, health with the elderly people, and the lumbee that are lossing there jobs. WE THE LUMBEE TRIBE NEED HELP!!!!
MJ Edgefield

Elizabethtown, NC

#24 Apr 7, 2008
If you really look closely, almost appear to be interbred. Yes, I agree, before dishing out hard earned tax dollars to 'so called' Lumbees, check their DNA to see how much real Indian blood they have. I guarantee they'll will find African Amer..in many of them
Guess Who

Las Vegas, NV

#25 Apr 7, 2008
Disgusted in Lumberton wrote:
By thier own origin story, the Lumbee tribe does not deserve Federal Recognition. They claim to be descendants of the lost colony which would negate their claim at being "full-blooded" Native Americans that deserve federal recognition. The majority of the tribe is already living off of public assistance, so in a way the government is already supporting them, just not in the way they want or to the extent they want.
Ask Dave Ford what he thinks....
BOBBY J LOCKLEAR

Raeford, NC

#26 Apr 8, 2008
MJ Edgefield wrote:
If you really look closely, almost appear to be interbred. Yes, I agree, before dishing out hard earned tax dollars to 'so called' Lumbees, check their DNA to see how much real Indian blood they have. I guarantee they'll will find African Amer..in many of them
IF WE REALLY LOOK CLOSELY, IT APPEARS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THE FEDERAL HANDOUT BECAUSE OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN BLOOD. WHAT ABOUT THE EUROPEAN-AMERICAN BLOOD? WHAT ABOUT A TRIBAL CERTIFIED FULL-BLOOD? I HAPPEN TO BE CERTIFIED FULL-BLOOD. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT WHY I SHOULD NOT RECIEVE THE MONEY? PERHAPS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO RECONSIDER YOUR POSITION...I DON'T HAVE OBJECTIONS TO YOUR OPINIONS, HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A DISLIKE FOR THE RACIAL OVERTONES BEING PRESENTED BY 'SO CALLED' KKK MEMBER HIDING IN THE CLOSET. YOU MIGHT WANT TO RECONSIDER HOW YOU APPEAR WITH YOUR OPINIONS...MAYBE,JUST LIKE YOUR FOREFATHERS HIDING BEHIND WHITE SHEETS TO COVER UP THEIR UGLY HATEFUL FACES...I'M A LUMBEE...WHO ARE YOU THE TAX COLLECTOR?
Guess Who

Las Vegas, NV

#27 Apr 27, 2008
BOBBY J LOCKLEAR wrote:
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IF WE REALLY LOOK CLOSELY, IT APPEARS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THE FEDERAL HANDOUT BECAUSE OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN BLOOD. WHAT ABOUT THE EUROPEAN-AMERICAN BLOOD? WHAT ABOUT A TRIBAL CERTIFIED FULL-BLOOD? I HAPPEN TO BE CERTIFIED FULL-BLOOD. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT WHY I SHOULD NOT RECIEVE THE MONEY? PERHAPS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO RECONSIDER YOUR POSITION...I DON'T HAVE OBJECTIONS TO YOUR OPINIONS, HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A DISLIKE FOR THE RACIAL OVERTONES BEING PRESENTED BY 'SO CALLED' KKK MEMBER HIDING IN THE CLOSET. YOU MIGHT WANT TO RECONSIDER HOW YOU APPEAR WITH YOUR OPINIONS...MAYBE,JUST LIKE YOUR FOREFATHERS HIDING BEHIND WHITE SHEETS TO COVER UP THEIR UGLY HATEFUL FACES...I'M A LUMBEE...WHO ARE YOU THE TAX COLLECTOR?
The proof is in the pudding...
jmjandlal

Laurinburg, NC

#28 May 16, 2008
I am a proud Lumbee. The statements on this site are so discouraging. The world is such a hateful and derrogative place. Who are any of you to judge what our bloodline is??? What kind of blood flows through your viens? I am Native American!!! My father and all his ancestors would roll over in their graves at the statement that he is of African American descent. Funny how people can pass judgement on a whole group of people without a second thought. Now, most of the information that states we are of "mixed blood" was written by white people in the early part of the 19th century. Anyone that was not white, were considered "mulatto", check out the census records people. We go from Indian to mulatto to Indian, depending on the PERSPECTIVE of the white census taker. If you are going to talk about a person heritage, lets be historically correct. I can understand people, who do not know any better, finding an article and taking it on its face value. However, any educated person knows that you have to research sources. I appreciate everyone's viewpoint, I am Indian. Take it or leave it.
Amanda

Farmville, NC

#29 Jun 9, 2008
I don't think that Lumbees should be recognized as a tribe because they can not proof it. I am also fed up with them trying to get recognized under other tribes, it is vey disrespectful to that tribe. I know I am three fourths cherokee and one fourth white and I find it disrespectful to claim to be something your not. American indians by the way dont have blue eyes, ,black people hair,or brown skin. All american indians have red skin, black straight hair , and brown eyes. I know the lumbee tribe is a tri race (black, white, and american indian). the are a disgrace to the american indian communtiy with there lack of education, fighting pit bulls, drugs, crime and gangs which is everything the americans indians try to seperate theirselves from. I feel the only reason that lumbees want to be federal recognized is because most of them are on welfare. Real american indians are about doing for your self and not relying on anyone else. I think that the lumbee tribe should sumit to DNA testing so the truth will be known. And I think the Lumbee tribe should publicly apologize to all the tribes that they disrepected by trying to get federal recognized under.
RON M

AOL

#30 Jul 13, 2008
I believe that there are mandates that require an Indian nation to prove a certain percentage of indian DNA , the Lumbee are the best example of how love of fellow man, regardless of background,color, can be good for all. The lost colony would not have survived witout the Lumbee/Croatans and the Lumbee would have not survived, later in time, had it not been for their understanding of English ways,by being part English.
RON M

AOL

#31 Jul 13, 2008
I am proud of the fact, that in North Carolina, there is one town that I know of that has a large Indian presence,I would guess that the Lumbee are at least 60% Indian, making them in my opinion an Indian nation that should be reconized. It is probably people in Vegas and Atlantic city , that are fighting this as North Carolina casinos could hurt there business. Ron in Wilmington
CRYSTAL

Smithfield, NC

#32 Aug 28, 2008
Lumbee's are not true Indians!!!! If Lumbee's were Indians they would have been recognized by now. Get real yall Lumbee's are just looking for a handout. Lumbee's are just mixed breed people not true American Indian's!!!!!
CRYSTAL

Smithfield, NC

#33 Aug 28, 2008
How about the Lumbee Tribe stealing money from there organization. They don't deserve any recognition. If Lumbee's were true Native American's they would be recognized by now. Lumbee's are nothing but mixed breeds. Look at them. Not any Indian that I have ever saw. They act like someone owes them something. No one owes them anything.
CRYSTAL

Smithfield, NC

#34 Aug 28, 2008
Lumbees will be recognized when its cold in hell!!!!!!!!
just me pembroke nc

Melbourne, FL

#35 Aug 29, 2008
and you wonder why well never get anywhere?.....peeps can talk all they want to i kno where i came from ive lived on 7 different reservations,you dont see all the fussing,fighting,yellen names i mean..man whats the fuss bout anyway?hey jesus christ was talked about.and i do agree some peeps call their seft native.....i dont think so but n e way stay true to yourselft and each other and god bless you all and all the nations!!!
Deric Locklear

Wilmington, NC

#36 Sep 25, 2008
I have read alot of stupidity & racism on this site.First of all if you are not Native American not to sound racist my self but you openion doesn't matter!This is between the tribe & government! Define Tribe: "Any premative or nomadic group of people Generally common ancestry
possessing common leadership." Now my people have been here forever we are a very big group If we are mixed as some dummy's who obviously have never checked my blood so there for they don't know any way say the dictionary says & I quote
"Generally Common Ancestry" no were does it say 100% same ancestry.Your common dog is a breed from wild wolf ancestry but it isn't a wolf it is a dog as we are Lumbee.I will be checking my blood to find out so I don't speak out of ignorance like so many have already.We also have leadership If our leaders are crooks they are still leaders like the dictionary say a "Tribe" must have.It is up to the LUMBEE people to get rid of them Not anyone else.So to recap our people have been here since premative times we are at the very least "Generally" from common ancestry & we have leadership! That defines a "Tribe" in any language
I read a statement that said Lumbees are a disgrace because of "Lack of education,Fighting pit bulls, drugs, & gangs." OK the recognition will help with the lack of education,Fighting pit bulls Look at our state records & compare any state record.Com pare the charges Lumbee people have got for dog fighting against any race, I bet you find more people not of Lumbee decent have been caught fighting Dogs, Drugs HA HA stupid you think Lumbee people bring Drugs in to this country or state once again check records.Gangs I live in Robeson county between PEMBROKE & LUMBERTON born & raised never once saw a LUMBEE gang Of course there is the kkk & spanish Gangs But haven't meet one Lumbee gang, of course we are tight & try to protect eachother But any race should.I also noticed all these ignorant racist that posted only put first name no last are you affraid to let people know that the View you posted is yours. Thank you Deric Locklear.
Deric Locklear

Wilmington, NC

#37 Sep 25, 2008
To the US Goverment who has not recognised the Lumbee tribe.I can't make you recognise my tribe But "You Will Recognise Me".

You Will Recognise Me

Look me in my eyes
I'm Native American LUMBEE,
You might not recognise my tribe
But you will recognise me!
The man that I am
The fact I can get violent,
That I am very respected
You can't keep me silent.
My voice will be heard
My face will be seen,
Your eigther with or against me
There's no inbetween.
My people might get a little loud
rowdy or cocky,
I'm native to America
This is my country you can't stop me.
Some people must get loud just to be heard,
You will recognise me I give you my word.
Thats all I have
But it's as good as me,
My words my bond
Thats how it should be.
You will recognise me
as a living breathing Human,
My people started this country
We'll be here until the end.
Your government took our land
At any cost,
Changed our language rapped our women
Our heritage almost lost.
Took our voice our rights
Thought of us as worse then a slave,
Because we faught back
uou called us savage to justify our grave.
You will recognise Deric
As one small step for my people,
I'm as good strong smart as you
Recognise we are all equal.
Your no better then me
As I'm no better then you,
You will recognise my wisdom
In everything that I do!
You might not recognise my tribe
Because we call ourself Lumbee,
I'll bet on my own Life
YOU WILL RECOGNISE ME!!!

dericlocklear@yahoo.com
dll616& bellsouth.net
RYAN

Raeford, NC

#38 Oct 26, 2008
american citizen wrote:
hey sarah why dont you ask your cherokee relatives what they think about the lums they will tell you blue eyed and green eyed people with nappy hair are not indians. dna tests will show just how much indian blood they got! even the lumbee tribal council are considering doing this. its called the process of elimnation.just be glad the state recongnizes them,and another thing their gene pool is getting smaller and smaller because they dont leave out of robeson county they are starting to intermarry!
Listen, bitch, we dont have nappy hair!
Lumbee gene

Thomasville, NC

#39 Nov 24, 2008
Sarah wrote:
I am part cherokee-lumbee and i am prud to say it. my relatives should have whatever is nessicary for our unique, irreplacable heritage to stay as strong as it always was!!!!!
You know what kills me about the Cherokees, they don't want us to get our recognition because it affects them , how?The Lumbees didn't want casinos, they simply want what is rightfully there's.But I noticed that alot of Cherokees were ok with the Lumbees since they agreed not build a casino.That tells me that Cherokees are more worried about scamming people out of money than protecting the heritage that has been passed to them. They need to change your names to "whores"
deedee

AOL

#40 Nov 29, 2008
hi,
well i got my dna done---what a surprise---i have lumbee blood, what in the hell does this mean?
i never even thought of native american blood--what a shock---always thought I was western European...
as a history buff i appreciate native american history so it does not matter to me --just surprised-- as hell!
think everyone should get dna done
too bad mom who was Sicilian and Scot Irish isn't alive to know this cause she taught me about the great Native American chiefs and greatly admired them
I am certain the blood is from maternal side since the scot-irish ancestry dates from 17th century Va and Carolina and the so called "white blue blood line" is missing a few female spouses names (entrance of red blood line I think, no pun intended)--any marriage records centralized/kept of these unions i.e. particularly about 1830
thanks and by the way what percentage of dna is needed to be Lumbee?
a new Lumbee

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