Senators Reach Agreement On Overhauling Immigration

There are 20 comments on the Jan 28, 2013, National Public Radio story titled Senators Reach Agreement On Overhauling Immigration. In it, National Public Radio reports that:

A bipartisan group of leading senators has reached agreement on the principles of sweeping legislation to rewrite the nation's immigration laws.

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dwg

Everett, MA

#206 Feb 5, 2013
CRIMMIGRANTS wrote:
How about we try SECURING THE BORDER.
ENFORCE all existing immigration laws.
NO MORE birthright citizenship, at least one parent MUST be a citizen.
MANDATORY E verify for all employees!
spytheweb wrote:
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They will gain more American voters. I'am a democrat but i voted republican in Nov. Hispanics are 10% of the total vote, they should try and get the other 90%. Hispanics will never vote republican no matter what republicans give them.
"Reagan signed into law amnesty for three million illegals, called Simpson-Mazzoli. Now, according to the wizards in the Republican consultancy class, that should have meant droves of Hispanics voting for the next Republican in 1988.
Reagan got 37% and passed amnesty. We showed the Hispanics we love 'em, we cherish 'em, we care about 'em. We granted them amnesty. We gave citizenship to three-point-some-odd million of them in 1986. The next presidential election is George H. W. Bush in 1988. The percentage of the Hispanic vote that he got two years after amnesty was 30%. So '84, Reagan: 37% Hispanic vote.
Two years later, amnesty (which was supposed to really make us loved and adored and really supported at the polls). Two more years, 1988, George H. W. Bush loses 7% of the Hispanic vote from Reagan's '84 totalitarians."
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/13/...
SPYTHEWEB WROTE:....." which was supposed to really make us loved and adored...."

DWG WROTE: How you see this land has in the base democracy no tyranny, and to help you how thing works in this small land, take a look at a liders speechwriters;

1) House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) outlines the GOP priorities for the 113th Congress in a speech delivered at the American Enterprise Institute.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/mobil...

2) PRESIDENT OBAMA SPEECH :......"But the 2012 model showed all the strengths that Obama and his speechwriters consistently exhibit, producing the best drafts of any president...."
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/...

Note: no piece of paper at the speech
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Thanks
DWG

Chicopee

Danbury, CT

#207 Feb 5, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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The GOP has never gotten more than 40% of the hispanic vote.
As long as the GOPasaurs continue to support policies which harm hispanics, the hispanics will continue to support the Dems in overwhelming majorities. It's not just about immigration; in spite of being largely catholic, a majority of hispanics support abortion rights & marriage for same-sex couples. A larger percentage of hispanics are poor and rely on govt programs the GOP wants to constantly cut.
It's not their ethnicity which causes them to vote for the Dems; it's about the policies of the GOP which disproportionately affect certain demographics.
Bullshit. Hispanics voted the same as everyone else did. Singles-men and women-voted for Obama. Married voted Romney.
The same is true on abortion and same-sex marriage. People are people.
My favorite Prez enacted the Welfare Reform Act...and a lot of people were able to get the hell off of welfare and the hopeless, dead end of public housing, dangerous neighborhoods and failing schools. I know two young single mothers who did so, and to date, three of their four children graduated highschool and one started college last fall. That never would have happened if they had stayed on state. Their daughters, like them, and in one case, like their grandmother, would have started having children in their teens and produced yet another generation of hopelessness, poverty and wasted potential.
While poverty rates stayed nearly the same for decades, the truth is that the poor are the most upwardly mobile of all income groups...as in, those who were in the poor catagory in 1970 were in the middle class by 1980.
Hispanics are no different than anyone else. They're merely the most recent mass arrivals, many come from grinding poverty, lack education and skills, but they are upwardly mobile. A far smaller percentage of second generation Hispanics will be as poor as the first generation, just as it's always been for immigrants, including those in my family.
So, none of us can say how tomorrows generation is going to vote. For most, their economic potential will be different than that of their parents. They won't need to have babies to survive, and that's the first big step towards upwards mobility.
Chicopee

Danbury, CT

#208 Feb 5, 2013
dwg wrote:
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SPYTHEWEB WROTE:....." which was supposed to really make us loved and adored...."
DWG WROTE: How you see this land has in the base democracy no tyranny, and to help you how thing works in this small land, take a look at a liders speechwriters;
1) House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) outlines the GOP priorities for the 113th Congress in a speech delivered at the American Enterprise Institute.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/mobil...
2) PRESIDENT OBAMA SPEECH :......"But the 2012 model showed all the strengths that Obama and his speechwriters consistently exhibit, producing the best drafts of any president...."
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/...
Note: no piece of paper at the speech
Note: no piece of paper at the speech
Note: no piece of paper at the speech
Note: no piece of paper at the speech
Note: no piece of paper at the speech
Note: no piece of paper at the speech
Thanks
DWG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =50DkSHmVfZUXX
Ever hear of a teleprompter?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#210 Feb 6, 2013
CRIMMIGRANTS wrote:
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The wheels are in motion, rest assured.
You'll never get a 2/3rd majority of either house of Congress to vote for it, nor the 3/4th states either.

But good luck with that; it'll keep you busy when you're not searching for Obama's Kenyan birth certificate!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#211 Feb 6, 2013
Suadela wrote:
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Read the 14th Amendment,carefully. It is being mis-interpreted on purpose by the States. you know that and you know why.
No, it's not.

And the SCOTUS has upheld birthright citizenship numerous times; most recently in a 9-0 decision in 1982 (Plyler v Doe).

Wish all you want, it's not gonna change.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#212 Feb 6, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
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it's not "or", genius.
it's "and".
it reads "guarantee citizenship to anyone born in the usa AND is within our jurisdiction."
a child born to illegal aliens in the usa is NOT within our jurisdiction.
if the parents return to their home country, the usa has no authority to prevent the child from returning with it's parents.
get it?
commonsense for those who are not brain dead.
and as I have said all along... we've got some stupid people on capitol hill that are misinterpreting the laws.
they take the phrase "within our jurisdiction" too literally. they are defining the phrase as "being within our borders".
then, you ask... why would the founding fathers duplicate the same requirement? the answer.. they didn't.
a perfect example of cocaine using, marijuana smoking, brain dead, stupid hippies making decisions on capitol hill for us.
totally brain dead.
The SCOTUS disagreed with your interpretation in a 9-0 decision.

Try again.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#213 Feb 6, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
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Bullshit. Hispanics voted the same as everyone else did. Singles-men and women-voted for Obama. Married voted Romney.
The same is true on abortion and same-sex marriage. People are people.
My favorite Prez enacted the Welfare Reform Act...and a lot of people were able to get the hell off of welfare and the hopeless, dead end of public housing, dangerous neighborhoods and failing schools. I know two young single mothers who did so, and to date, three of their four children graduated highschool and one started college last fall. That never would have happened if they had stayed on state. Their daughters, like them, and in one case, like their grandmother, would have started having children in their teens and produced yet another generation of hopelessness, poverty and wasted potential.
While poverty rates stayed nearly the same for decades, the truth is that the poor are the most upwardly mobile of all income groups...as in, those who were in the poor catagory in 1970 were in the middle class by 1980.
Hispanics are no different than anyone else. They're merely the most recent mass arrivals, many come from grinding poverty, lack education and skills, but they are upwardly mobile. A far smaller percentage of second generation Hispanics will be as poor as the first generation, just as it's always been for immigrants, including those in my family.
So, none of us can say how tomorrows generation is going to vote. For most, their economic potential will be different than that of their parents. They won't need to have babies to survive, and that's the first big step towards upwards mobility.
Yeah, and the blacks are going to start voting Republican any day now......
dwg

Everett, MA

#214 Feb 6, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
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Ever hear of a teleprompter?
Not in this case Sam, he is the guy !

Dwg

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#215 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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No, it's not.
And the SCOTUS has upheld birthright citizenship numerous times; most recently in a 9-0 decision in 1982 (Plyler v Doe).
Wish all you want, it's not gonna change.
talk about misinterpreting the facts.

plyler v doe had nothing to do with birthright citizenship. another thing, it was not a 9-0 decision.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe

the supreme court was wrong. americans and america are not responsible for the welfare of non-citizens. this is commonsense.

in time, this injustice to americans will be corrected.

just as the slavery laws pre-lincoln were repealed, so shall these unjust laws forcing americans to support non-citizens with our hard-earned money.

WHY should we be spending money on those from other countries? especially when we have 47 million in poverty?

those illegal aliens and their children should go cry to their home countries if they have a problem with how their country treats them.

it is not our responsibility to save the world.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#216 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Number 3 will take amending the constitution; better get busy.....
not true.

we only need a review of the laws to overturn the previous decision made by the supreme court.

studying the indian citizenship act of 1924 would do well in filtering out the confusion that many have on the phrase "within the jurisdiction".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citiz...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Citizensh...

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#217 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You'll never get a 2/3rd majority of either house of Congress to vote for it, nor the 3/4th states either.
But good luck with that; it'll keep you busy when you're not searching for Obama's Kenyan birth certificate!
says who?

an anchor baby?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#218 Feb 6, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
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says who?
an anchor baby?
Nope, a 10th generation American.

Good luck getting rid of birthright citizenship. That should keep you busy for the next few decades at least.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#219 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, a 10th generation American.
Good luck getting rid of birthright citizenship. That should keep you busy for the next few decades at least.
10th generation american? oh. I get it. you were born on the north american continent.

with your views, my guess is - you are a mexican. a reconquista to be more precise. right?
Chicopee

Danbury, CT

#220 Feb 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Yeah, and the blacks are going to start voting Republican any day now......
Why wouldn't they?
The highest percentage of blacks voting Republican in the last election was young males in the 18 to 30 catagory.
My husband works with a guy...57 years old, married with three children, sales rep making somewhere near the six figure mark. Staunch conservative...oh, and did I mention that he's black?
Like many of us, he was pretty liberal in his youth and my husband asked him a few years ago when he turned conservative. He said: As soon as I had something to conserve.
So, while I know you were being fascetious, I hope you're right.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#221 Feb 7, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
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10th generation american? oh. I get it. you were born on the north american continent.
with your views, my guess is - you are a mexican. a reconquista to be more precise. right?
Actually my caucasian ancestry on my mom's side goes back to the early 1700's in Virginia when they came over from England & Ireland. In addition there's native American ancestry in the mix from Tennessee as well.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#222 Feb 7, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
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Why wouldn't they?
The highest percentage of blacks voting Republican in the last election was young males in the 18 to 30 catagory.
My husband works with a guy...57 years old, married with three children, sales rep making somewhere near the six figure mark. Staunch conservative...oh, and did I mention that he's black?
Like many of us, he was pretty liberal in his youth and my husband asked him a few years ago when he turned conservative. He said: As soon as I had something to conserve.
So, while I know you were being fascetious, I hope you're right.
95%+ blacks voted for the Dems again. With the current GOP policies they'll be lucky to get 10% of the black vote; just like the past 50+ years.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#223 Feb 7, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
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Why wouldn't they?
The highest percentage of blacks voting Republican in the last election was young males in the 18 to 30 catagory.
My husband works with a guy...57 years old, married with three children, sales rep making somewhere near the six figure mark. Staunch conservative...oh, and did I mention that he's black?
Like many of us, he was pretty liberal in his youth and my husband asked him a few years ago when he turned conservative. He said: As soon as I had something to conserve.
So, while I know you were being fascetious, I hope you're right.
wow, your neighbor used that tired old line from the joke? or was that just as much bullshit as it sounded like? i bet i could get 3/4 of the states to vote for the latter....

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#224 Feb 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Actually my caucasian ancestry on my mom's side goes back to the early 1700's in Virginia when they came over from England & Ireland. In addition there's native American ancestry in the mix from Tennessee as well.
just out of curiosity.. aren't you the least bit concerned of what would happen if we had open borders?

do you think the usa could accommodate a mass influx of new immigrants numbering in the 10's of millions?

what would happen if the numbers reached in the 50+ million range? aren't you the least bit concerned?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_t...

just trying to understand where you are coming from.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#225 Feb 7, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
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just out of curiosity.. aren't you the least bit concerned of what would happen if we had open borders?
do you think the usa could accommodate a mass influx of new immigrants numbering in the 10's of millions?
what would happen if the numbers reached in the 50+ million range? aren't you the least bit concerned?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_t...
just trying to understand where you are coming from.
Where did I ever say I supported open borders?

I support ZERO immigration into the US; legal, illegal, or otherwise. Especially while we have 20+ million unemployed.

We're full.

Station troops on the borders with shoot to kill orders if necessary.

That said, we have to do something about the millions of illegals who are already here, and deporting them all simply isn't a realistic option.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#226 Feb 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Where did I ever say I supported open borders?
I support ZERO immigration into the US; legal, illegal, or otherwise. Especially while we have 20+ million unemployed.
We're full.
Station troops on the borders with shoot to kill orders if necessary.
That said, we have to do something about the millions of illegals who are already here, and deporting them all simply isn't a realistic option.
Tha's gonna put a damper on the vibe at teh sprinfg break beaches, won't it?

better to solve the problem of illegal hiring than treat the symptom of porous borders that can never be truly secured...

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