Gun control debate heating up in stat...

Gun control debate heating up in statehouses

There are 2688 comments on the NBC29 story from Dec 21, 2012, titled Gun control debate heating up in statehouses. In it, NBC29 reports that:

By The Associated Press Your daily look at late-breaking news, upcoming events and stories that will be talked about Friday: President Barack Obama says his administration has received an outpouring of support for stricter gun laws following last week's elementary school massacre in Connecticut, telling respondents to an online... President Barack ... (more)

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awsome

Belle, WV

#200 Dec 30, 2012
Return fire
Colt 45

Warrenton, VA

#201 Dec 30, 2012
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>It wasn't designed to hunt animals nimrod, its designed to kill people which a .223 or 762.39 does a very good job. The name we ascribe is of no matter. To be sure you average 223 rd id good for at least 500yds and more, the average shot to bring down prey is good deal less than that.
If you had done some research you would know the .223 is used quite a bit for hunting
such pests as coyotes,ground hogs,prarie dogs etc.The 500 yards is a stretch also.
On the other end the 7.62 x 39 is used for all the above plus legal to deer hunt with.
You stated they are to kill people and that they do a very good job,So does a 22 rimfire.I haven't had time to look it up but willing to bet a great deal more people have been killed with the 22 than the .223 or the 7.62 x 39 combined in the U.S.

Since: Feb 11

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#202 Dec 30, 2012
Colt 45 wrote:
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If you had done some research you would know the .223 is used quite a bit for hunting
The assault weapon (as the model used by the Connecticut killer) is an expensive toy preferred by boys with tiny dicks. It isn't a hunting rifle.

The .223 (cal) is seen by many states as to cruel for hunting larger mammals.

I guess humans don't count.

Since: Feb 11

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#203 Dec 30, 2012
Colt 45 wrote:
I haven't had time to look it up but willing to bet a great deal more people have been killed with the 22 than the .223 or the 7.62 x 39 combined in the U.S.
The .223 (nor 7.62 x 39 ) isn't used in handguns.

DOOH!

Since: Nov 11

Salt Lake City, UT

#204 Dec 30, 2012

Since: Feb 11

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#205 Dec 30, 2012
duzitreallymatter wrote:
The .223 isn't WIDELY used in handguns.

Do tell: what percentage of handguns manufactured are of .223 caliper?
ickley

Celina, OH

#206 Dec 30, 2012
If the democrats get their way YOU as a citizen will be less safe and less free!

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#207 Dec 30, 2012
ickley wrote:
If the democrats get their way YOU as a citizen will be less safe and less free!
The Democrats did get their way- it was in all the papers.

Of course... that would mean you would need to be able to read...
Lowell

United States

#208 Dec 30, 2012
Colt 45 wrote:
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If you had done some research you would know the .223 is used quite a bit for hunting
such pests as coyotes,ground hogs,prarie dogs etc.The 500 yards is a stretch also.
On the other end the 7.62 x 39 is used for all the above plus legal to deer hunt with.
You stated they are to kill people and that they do a very good job,So does a 22 rimfire.I haven't had time to look it up but willing to bet a great deal more people have been killed with the 22 than the .223 or the 7.62 x 39 combined in the U.S.
Agree with most said but for the comment on .22 rf killing the most people. I'll bet handgun calibers kill most, like .32,.40. 45. 9mm,.357, and other non-rimfire handgun rounds.

Handguns are the most used firearm and most of those are not made in 22 rf.
Lowell

United States

#209 Dec 30, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The assault weapon (as the model used by the Connecticut killer) is an expensive toy preferred by boys with tiny dicks. It isn't a hunting rifle.
The .223 (cal) is seen by many states as to cruel for hunting larger mammals.
I guess humans don't count.
AR 15 type military rifles are used for hunting many varmits. Lightweight, large magazine capable, reliable, low maintenance military rifle preferred by veterans.

Many states allow a .223 to be used on big game because they can kill those animals. The .223 used in hunting has expanding bullets to maximize damage to animals causing the animal to die.

As far as killing humans, the .223 was designed as lightweight, durable, military rifle. IF you understood warfare you would understand military bullets are NOT designed to do maximum damage to humans hit. Military bullets are full metal jacketed in order to NOT do extensive damage to human flesh. The FMJ bullets go through a human but don't expand like a hunting bullet.

FMJ bullets are mandated for warfare.
gah

Charlottesville, VA

#210 Dec 30, 2012
Lowell wrote:
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preferred by veterans
jesus and framers of the constitution
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/gun...
Lowell

United States

#211 Dec 30, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The .223 (nor 7.62 x 39 ) isn't used in handguns.
DOOH!
.223 and 7.62 define the diameter of a bullet.

One could load one of those bullets into a handgun caseing and shoot it in a handgun having a barrel of correct diameter.

However .223 and 7.62 are normally used to define the military rifles those cartridges are used in. The .223 and 7.62 cartridges used in those military rifles are NOT handgun shell caseings and few if any handguns use those shells.

Handgun shell caseings are much shorter than rifle shell caseings because of the size of a handgun AND the need for less powder in a handgun as opposed to a rifle.

You see handguns are shot while being held in the shooters hand and a rifle is shot from the shooters shoulder. IF a handgun was chamdered for just say a .308 rifle shell and shot the shooter would probably be hurt as a result.

You really need to study firearms a little more in order to make meaningful contributions to a thread on same.

You are currently boreing us who know firearms and cartridges.
Colt 45

Warrenton, VA

#212 Dec 30, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The assault weapon (as the model used by the Connecticut killer) is an expensive toy preferred by boys with tiny dicks. It isn't a hunting rifle.
The .223 (cal) is seen by many states as to cruel for hunting larger mammals.
I guess humans don't count.
You are a idiot who doesn't know what you are talking about,Have no idea what a man's or women's private parts have to do with anything,but it seems they weigh as much on your mind as the gun issue.You also show your ingornance in saying it is not a hunting rifle,prove your point in saying the .223 is not used for hunting small game such as coyotes,ground hogs,and prarie dogs never. said they were legal for hunting deer.
Lowell

United States

#213 Dec 30, 2012
duzitreallymatter wrote:
Your examples may be called handguns or pistols but are out of the box machine pistols that don't represent what a handgun is to the majority of firearms owners.

Actually I have a difficult time determining what a pistol with a rifle cartridge could be used for. The rifle cartridge is designed for long distance shooting but the short barrel and hand fired pistol doesn't allow for accurate long distance shooting.

Furthermore the .223 rifle cartridge in a pistol forces the pistol to be much longer then needed causing problems with holding it still for a good sight picture.

Bottom line is it's something few gun owners would find usefull. Maybe some gang bangers would like the lound bang when shot but the muzzel jump once shot will make the second round hit the trees.

Of course there are those who will buy anything new just to show it off.
Colt 45

Warrenton, VA

#214 Dec 30, 2012
Lowell wrote:
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Agree with most said but for the comment on .22 rf killing the most people. I'll bet handgun calibers kill most, like .32,.40. 45. 9mm,.357, and other non-rimfire handgun rounds.
Handguns are the most used firearm and most of those are not made in 22 rf.
The point is even the smallest caliber can kill a person,what difference does caliber have to do with it.Dead is Dead.
Lowell

United States

#215 Dec 30, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The .223 isn't WIDELY used in handguns.
Do tell: what percentage of handguns manufactured are of .223 caliper?
Very few.

Most buy a handgun because of it's size, easy to hide. Any handgun using a .223 rifle cartridge won't be easy to hide or shoot accuratly and be very loud when shot.
Lowell

United States

#217 Dec 30, 2012
Colt 45 wrote:
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You are a idiot who doesn't know what you are talking about,Have no idea what a man's or women's private parts have to do with anything,but it seems they weigh as much on your mind as the gun issue.You also show your ingornance in saying it is not a hunting rifle,prove your point in saying the .223 is not used for hunting small game such as coyotes,ground hogs,and prarie dogs never. said they were legal for hunting deer.
It is legal to hunt big game (deer and bear) in Minnesota with any cartridge .220 or larger with a center fire primer..22 rf is not legal.

Since: Feb 11

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#218 Dec 30, 2012
Lowell wrote:
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AR 15 type military rifles are used for hunting many varmits.
So you could also use bricks.

So what?

I don't have to pretend that a AR-15- costing $800+- and 30 round magazines are "hunting" rifles, especially when the person making that claim has never seen a prairie or a ground hog in his life.

Varmints?

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#219 Dec 30, 2012
Lowell wrote:
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Very few.
Very few?

I doubt that their is a caliper bullet made that someone hasn't wrapped a handgun around.

The .223 is rifle round, don't waste my time.
Colt 45

Warrenton, VA

#220 Dec 30, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The .223 (nor 7.62 x 39 ) isn't used in handguns.
DOOH!
Someone with your knowledge of weapons should know the Thompson Contender hand gun is available in a variety of rifle cartridges including the .223. 30-30 and 30-06 just to name a few.

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