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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#110835 Sep 24, 2012
LRS wrote:
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Omama has done nothing for me or America. Why should the wealthy, who already give more than anyone else, be required to give even more? To provide for the parasites that have attached themselves to America? That's BS that anyone with even one brain cell can spot. He made the statement, he owns it, even though he would rather not. In case you haven't noticed, while Omama has been feeding you his BS, he's also been placing the chains on you. Do you like being oppressed? Because that is exactly what he is doing! That is, when he's not avoiding major issues, playing basketball, golfing, having a beer summit or going on vacation.
Obama's campaign strategy appeals to the worst in Americans...class envy.
Success is something to admire and strive for not demonize.
Folks who had a resolve to do something with their lives, invested, and all their hard work panned.
They took the chances, succeeded and today provide those jobs which feed America's children, and provide a decent life to their employees. The back-bone of America is being attacked by this President pitting one against another.
Obama disgust me. He is a bad President and it is time to cut him loose!

Since: May 10

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#110836 Sep 24, 2012
I know, I know, you Libytards keep insisting all birthers are Republicans but it ain't sooo. The original birthers were Clintonions. And they have never forgiven how Obama treated Hillary either!!!
In fact, I bet some Hillary folks will cross over and vote Romney as they see it best Hillary run against a Republican in 2016 then try and follow eight years Obamanomics!

Florida Democrat Still Pushing Courts to Prove Obama’s Eligibility
posted on September 24, 2012 by Giacomo

Earlier this year, a registered Democrat in the state of Florida filed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama’s eligibility to appear on the November ballot. Michael Voeltz claimed that he believed that Obama did not meet the legal qualification for President.
One of his arguments stemmed on the definition of natural born citizen. The legal definition of natural born citizens was established in 1875 by the U.S. Supreme Court case of Minor v Happersett. The high court ruled that the definition of natural born citizen as applied by the authors and signers of the U.S. Constitution was that both parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of the person’s birth. Since Obama’s father was a British citizen (Great Britain ruled Kenya at the time), that Obama was not a natural born citizen.
Secondly, Voeltz felt that there was sufficient evidence to question the legality of Obama’s birth certificate. Evidence from the investigation conducted by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Department was submitted in the case to show due concern about the possibility of those documents being forgeries.
However, Judge Terry Lewis ignored the evidence submitted by Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s investigation and ruled that Barack Obama was indeed a natural born citizen of the U.S. and that his name could appear on the November ballot. Obama’s attorney’s never presented any evidence to prove he was a natural born citizen or to refute the evidence submitted by Sheriff Joe. Lewis decision equated ‘citizen’ with ‘natural born citizen’ which is not what the 1875 Supreme Court said. Lewis’ decision stated:
“The United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States.”
Now, Voeltz’s attorney, Larry Klayman, who is the founder of Freedom Watch and Judicial Watch has filed a new motion with the courts in this case. They have filed an order of legal discovery. Legal discovery is the process where both sides of a case are allowed to examine all of the evidence held by opposing side. In other words, Voeltz and his attorney are seeking a court order to allow them to see all of the evidence held by Obama’s attorneys in this case. The motion reads in part:

Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/7170/florida-dem...
Liberal Translation

United States

#110837 Sep 24, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
If you studied poitics and economic and, oh yes, climate change as religiously as you do firearms, you would not produce the stuff you write here in Topix. It would be well researched, and certainly, you would not make half the preposterous claims you foist on everyone here. One thing for sure, you would not be a birther or a tea party member.
As to firearms particulars, could I and most sane people care less?
Translation:
The very mention of firearms makes me pee my panties.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#110838 Sep 24, 2012
What are "black mens"? And you Libytrads complain about we on the write knot being able to right!

Mississippi Ballot Challenge: Hearing Today
Birthers, Election Laws, Elections: 2012, Lawsuits, Right Wing Nutzoids
Sep
24
2012

Pure tyrrany, it is. In what Pamela Barnett calls “pure tyranny,” alas and alack, this morning’s Birther hearing in Jackson MS will not be televised. That cameras are not permitted in the court is by Rule in the Mississippi Federal District Courts, but rules are for the little people, not for Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq.

Good Authority rumor around The Fogbow has it that one or two of Orly’s former associates might show up as witnesses for the Defense. That’s right, the Defense. We’ll have to see if it turns out true or not, but Charles Edward Lincoln, III and He, Lucas Smith are mentioned. I’m not even sure these two are friends again, after a squabble a while back, but the word is they have volunteered themselves. Or we’re just trying to rattle her cage, we evil Obots.

In the US District Court, Southern District of Mississippi, the case goes before Judge Henry T. Wingate, in Jackson Division. Judge Wingate was the first African American on the Mississippi federal bench, and now joins the legions of black mens out to get Orly in multiple states.
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/...
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#110839 Sep 24, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
I know, I know, you Libytards keep insisting all birthers are Republicans but it ain't sooo. The original birthers were Clintonions. And they have never forgiven how Obama treated Hillary either!!!
In fact, I bet some Hillary folks will cross over and vote Romney as they see it best Hillary run against a Republican in 2016 then try and follow eight years Obamanomics!
Florida Democrat Still Pushing Courts to Prove Obama’s Eligibility
posted on September 24, 2012 by Giacomo
Earlier this year, a registered Democrat in the state of Florida filed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama’s eligibility to appear on the November ballot. Michael Voeltz claimed that he believed that Obama did not meet the legal qualification for President.
One of his arguments stemmed on the definition of natural born citizen. The legal definition of natural born citizens was established in 1875 by the U.S. Supreme Court case of Minor v Happersett. The high court ruled that the definition of natural born citizen as applied by the authors and signers of the U.S. Constitution was that both parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of the person’s birth. Since Obama’s father was a British citizen (Great Britain ruled Kenya at the time), that Obama was not a natural born citizen.
Secondly, Voeltz felt that there was sufficient evidence to question the legality of Obama’s birth certificate. Evidence from the investigation conducted by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Department was submitted in the case to show due concern about the possibility of those documents being forgeries.
However, Judge Terry Lewis ignored the evidence submitted by Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s investigation and ruled that Barack Obama was indeed a natural born citizen of the U.S. and that his name could appear on the November ballot. Obama’s attorney’s never presented any evidence to prove he was a natural born citizen or to refute the evidence submitted by Sheriff Joe. Lewis decision equated ‘citizen’ with ‘natural born citizen’ which is not what the 1875 Supreme Court said. Lewis’ decision stated:
“The United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States.”
Now, Voeltz’s attorney, Larry Klayman, who is the founder of Freedom Watch and Judicial Watch has filed a new motion with the courts in this case. They have filed an order of legal discovery. Legal discovery is the process where both sides of a case are allowed to examine all of the evidence held by opposing side. In other words, Voeltz and his attorney are seeking a court order to allow them to see all of the evidence held by Obama’s attorneys in this case. The motion reads in part:
Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/7170/florida-dem...
Regardless of the political party of who brings lawsuits, Obama was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate from Hawaii, and the confirmation of the officials of both parties, and the Index Data, and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about "Stanley had a baby" and the absence of any proof that Obama was born in any other country or that his mother even traveled abroad in 1961----all show.

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#110840 Sep 24, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a dangerous world out there jacqazz. People like you are allowed to roam about freely. That's reason enough to own a gun!
He is probably banned at the American border
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#110841 Sep 24, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
Blah Blah Blah..
You can talk all you like, but you can't change the facts:
Ark- Citizen
Elg- Natural Born Citizen
Neither case that you mention were about Ark being eligible to be president or Elg being eligible to be president. So the fact that one of them was listed as Natural Born and the other wasn't is irrelevant to rulings on Natural Born status.

What IS relevant is the definition of the meaning of Natural Born in the Wong Kim Ark case, which says that it comes from the common law (hence not from Vattel), and that it refers to the place of birth---hence not to the parents.

If the US Constitution does not take away a right and the US Supreme Court does not say that the US Constitution has taken away a right, it remains a right.

The US Supreme Court has never ruled that two citizen parents are required for Natural Born Citizen status. Since it has not ruled that two US parents are required, and since the US Constitution does not say that two citizens are required---they are not required.

The rights of the US citizens born in the USA to foreign parents have not been taken away; they remain exactly the same as the rights of US citizens born in the USA to US parents.

That holds until the US Supreme Court rules that the right was taken away by the Constitution. Well, the US Supreme Court has not done so, and it is not likely to do so.

The Wong Kim Ark case says that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. It is extremely unlikely that the US Supreme Court will in the immediate future---or for that matter in the distant future---say that the meaning of Natural Born does not come from the common law and does not refer to the place of birth.

Seven state courts and one federal court have ruled that the Wong Kim Ark case applies to Obama and that the Wong Kim Ark case said that Natural Born refers to the place of birth. At least one of those cases is being appealed to the US Supreme Court. The US Supreme Court will not take the appeal for one of the most common reasons that it does not take appeals----that it agrees with the ruling of the lower court.

So the US Supreme Court will not rule on the matter (and if it did, it would rule against birthers). So the rights of Americans born in America to foreign parents have not and cannot be taken away. Their rights are the same as Americans born in America to American parents. They are Natural Born US citizens and eligible to be president.

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#110842 Sep 24, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
When the information "matches," it means it is exactly the same.
Okay, if the jpg Obama purports to be the actual LFBC and the information matches what the one in Hawaii has, it matches. But does the one in Hawaii does not match the the jpg, it is a fraud.
Example;
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/...
If the file copy in the vaults has anything on line 22 and the jpg that Obama purports to be a real copy does not, it does NOT match!!!
I know this is a hard concept for you to comprehend, but give it a try.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#110843 Sep 24, 2012
Another example it the tail rotor assemblies on the Bell Heuys and the Bell Jetrangers. It is entirely possible to mount the tail rotor blades on a Huey backs wards but on the Jetranger there is an extra piece of metal who's only purpose is to prevent some idiot from mounting the blades backwards.
And yes, in Vietnam we did have someone mount the tail rotors backwards on a Huey. And when the test pilot took the aircraft up for a spin, it had a vibration and had lack of tail rotor control. They scratched their heads for a few days trying to figure it out when a clerk from the orderly room took some papers over to be signed and while there he noticed that while three or four Hueys had their blades turning one way, this other aircraft had them the other way. In other words, a guy who does not know anything about helicopters, other then they usually fly, saw something that was different and, OMG!!!
So just because one document looks like another, it does not mean it is not a fraud!

“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#110844 Sep 24, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Here is an example of how the term was used in 1803, shortly after the Constitution went into effect:
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration....St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.(1803)
(As you can see, that refers only to the place of birth. Natural Born Citizens are "those born within the state."
And here is how it was used in 1829:
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)
to the place of birth.
Apparently, the Plural meaning in the Constitution is if no value to you either, as jus solis is not enough. I wish you could go back in time and take the matter up with Rep. Bingham, the father of the 14th Amendment. Who was very clear on natural born citizen.
Children born to a foreign parent or foreign parents living in the USA, are 14th amendment American ciizens at birth. Just not natural born American in the sense of becoming President/VP.
They can hold any other office in government, and have all other rights as Americans. Example: Gov. Bobbie Jindal, LA. Both parents were from India, and he was born in America, dual citizenship, India/America. He cannot become President because of their foreign birth status, and they not being American citizens when he was born in America.
Unless Congress changes the Constitution that includes American children with foreign parents who were still not American when their child was born in America assending the Presidency, that fact remains.
Obama is a false President based on that issue alone. But there are other problems in his birth/citizen narrative. I'm sure you realize what they are, although like the media, and Liberals judges it is of no relevance to he continuing to serve. His transcripts at Occidental, Columbia, Harvard, would shed a light on his citizenship, as likely they show he stated foreign citizenship to receive grants. Question is, was that just a convienence to use one citizenship to receive perks at colleges and another citizenship for political gain? My guess both.
The reason Obama remains in office, is that folks in government are afraid to stand up for truth no matter where it leads.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#110845 Sep 24, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
When the information "matches," it means it is exactly the same.
Let's say you have a set of twin girls. Both look the same. Both talk the same. Both wear the same cloths. Both have the same DNA match. Both have the same blood type. But their finger prints do not match (twins never do) as they are two different individuals.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#110846 Sep 24, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, if the jpg Obama purports to be the actual LFBC and the information matches what the one in Hawaii has, it matches. But does the one in Hawaii does not match the the jpg, it is a fraud.
Example;
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/...
If the file copy in the vaults has anything on line 22 and the jpg that Obama purports to be a real copy does not, it does NOT match!!!
I know this is a hard concept for you to comprehend, but give it a try.
Would you like to rewrite that so that you get your point across?

For example, you say: "If the file copy in the vaults has anything on line 22 and the jpg that Obama purports to be a real copy does not, it does NOT match!!!"

The answer to that is, well Duh. I agree. In fact, that is what I said.

For that matter if the file copy said that Obama was a trollycar and the jpg did not say that Obama was a trollycar, they would not match.

But what the officials said was that they DID match, meaning, duh, that line 22 on the file copy and line 22 on the published birth certificate are not different; they are the same.

As for the insinuation that the copy of the birth certificate in the Hawaii files is a fraud, we know from the birth notices sent to the newspapers in 1961 by the DOH that Obama had a birth certificate. We know from the teacher who wrote home that "Stanley had a baby" that Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital.

And the idea that someone could have smuggled something into the Hawaii DOH birth certificate files is nutty in the extreme. Sure, it is possible, with enormous difficulty (the Index Data indicates that Obama has had a file in Hawaii for years), but then it is just as possible that someone smuggled something into the Michigan DOH files for Mitt Romney.

And that still leaves the absence of any proof that Obama was born outside the USA or that his mother traveled outside the USA in 1961.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#110847 Sep 24, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's say you have a set of twin girls. Both look the same. Both talk the same. Both wear the same cloths. Both have the same DNA match. Both have the same blood type. But their finger prints do not match (twins never do) as they are two different individuals.
Twins do not "match" in the sense of being identical despite their being called identical twins. As you say, the fingerprints do not match. But that refers to twins, not to information. When you say that information matches, it matches---it is the same on both documents.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#110848 Sep 24, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
He is probably banned at the American border
Let's hope so but you've got remember Omama's Border Patrol policies.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#110849 Sep 24, 2012
*to

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#110850 Sep 24, 2012
Now I am glad we do not have this here in the U.S. If you live in Germany and belong to a "recognized" religion, the state taxes you 9% and gives the money to your church.
Because of that, many do not claim to be a member of any church so they will not get taxed. But the down side is that, by the numbers, there are very few religious people in Germany.
Oh, a few years ago the Church of Scientology tried to get "recognized" in Germany so they could join the money groping but I don't think the German government recognized them.
Oh, they can put you in jail if you don't!!!

Steffi [Graf}: proof that the rich don't get to heaven; MRE KARACS IN BONN; 1997

German groups slam Catholic 'pay to pray' decree
Associated Press –

BERLIN (AP)— A Catholic reform group in Germany has criticized the country's bishops for announcing that believers who don't pay religious taxes won't be able to receive the sacrament, become godparents or receive a church burial.
The bishops' decree last week is part of an attempt to stem the steady flow of people who opt out of paying up to nine percent of their income tax to their affiliated church.
The practice ensures Germany's Catholic and Protestant churches receive over €4 billion each annually.
The group 'We are the Church' said Monday that last week's decree by the bishops was "the wrong signal at the wrong time."
It says bishops should try to understand why people are leaving the Roman Catholic Church instead of threatening them with sanctions.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/steff...

“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#110851 Sep 24, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Regardless of the political party of who brings lawsuits, Obama was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate from Hawaii, and the confirmation of the officials of both parties, and the Index Data, and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about "Stanley had a baby" and the absence of any proof that Obama was born in any other country or that his mother even traveled abroad in 1961----all show.
We have yet to see a true Hawaiian birth certificate for one. All birth records have been proven fake. Ms. Lee who ran the department that managed birth records has stated the copies of records provided to her were fake and explained the abnormalities.
Two, his purported father was a foreignor at the time of his birth, that never changed. That alone, makes Obama ineligible to be President.
Three, he was adopted in Indonesia by Lolo Soetoro, even his sister Maya Soetoro said so. But qualified she did not know Indonesian law. That voids any birth/citizenship previously claimed, as that is the process of adoption.
Then there is the issue of Frank Marshall Davis, black poet, photographer, author, card carrying Communist from Hawaii, who was under FBI surveillance until the day he died, who Stanley was sexually involved with as a teen.
Ask yourself, why would Stanley tell her parents to take Barry to see this man every week? Grandparents taking their grandson to a man with this baggage, who was a Communist, and sexual deviate, having an influence on a young child? What was the connection?
This man was a collector of jazz and loved to listen to it. Interesting is, Obama has related his father was a avid jazz lover, and they listened to it together when they were not dabbling in Marxist literature. There are no records of the goat herder Kenyan drunk being into jazz, nor spending other than a few days with Barack.
Obama has told so many lies he likely cannot come clean.

Since: May 10

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#110852 Sep 24, 2012
Editing boo boo, I'm bad!

Now I am glad we do not have this here in the U.S. If you live in Germany and belong to a "recognized" religion, the state taxes you 9% and gives the money to your church.
Because of that, many do not claim to be a member of any church so they will not get taxed. But the down side is that, by the numbers, there are very few religious people in Germany.
Oh, a few years ago the Church of Scientology tried to get "recognized" in Germany so they could join the money groping but I don't think the German government recognized them.
Oh, they can put you in jail if you don't!!!
German groups slam Catholic 'pay to pray' decree; Associated Press –

BERLIN (AP)— A Catholic reform group in Germany has criticized the country's bishops for announcing that believers who don't pay religious taxes won't be able to receive the sacrament, become godparents or receive a church burial.
The bishops' decree last week is part of an attempt to stem the steady flow of people who opt out of paying up to nine percent of their income tax to their affiliated church.
The practice ensures Germany's Catholic and Protestant churches receive over €4 billion each annually.
The group 'We are the Church' said Monday that last week's decree by the bishops was "the wrong signal at the wrong time."
It says bishops should try to understand why people are leaving the Roman Catholic Church instead of threatening them with sanctions. http://news.yahoo.com/german-groups-slam-cath...
Steffi [Graf}: proof that the rich don't get to heaven; MRE KARACS IN BONN; 1997
Germany's favourite daughter was doing her patriotic best this week to enhance the image of the Fatherland. Steffi Graf, small-town girl and fading tennis ace, was the real star in the delegation accompanying President Roman Herzog on his tour of the United States. That little matter of the unpaid tax bills, for which her father Peter starts the final leg of his jail sentence tomorrow, seemed forgotten.
Then came the bombshell. Steffi, so Catholic that she once had an audience with the Pope, was leaving the Church. She initially refused to be drawn on reports about her change of heart. "It's a private matter," is all she would say.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/steff ...

Since: May 10

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#110853 Sep 24, 2012
Conservative girl wrote:
<quoted text>We have yet to see a true Hawaiian birth certificate for one. All birth records have been proven fake. Ms. Lee who ran the department that managed birth records has stated the copies of records provided to her were fake and explained the abnormalities.
Two, his purported father was a foreignor at the time of his birth, that never changed. That alone, makes Obama ineligible to be President.
Three, he was adopted in Indonesia by Lolo Soetoro, even his sister Maya Soetoro said so. But qualified she did not know Indonesian law. That voids any birth/citizenship previously claimed, as that is the process of adoption.
Then there is the issue of Frank Marshall Davis, black poet, photographer, author, card carrying Communist from Hawaii, who was under FBI surveillance until the day he died, who Stanley was sexually involved with as a teen.
Ask yourself, why would Stanley tell her parents to take Barry to see this man every week? Grandparents taking their grandson to a man with this baggage, who was a Communist, and sexual deviate, having an influence on a young child? What was the connection?
This man was a collector of jazz and loved to listen to it. Interesting is, Obama has related his father was a avid jazz lover, and they listened to it together when they were not dabbling in Marxist literature. There are no records of the goat herder Kenyan drunk being into jazz, nor spending other than a few days with Barack.
Obama has told so many lies he likely cannot come clean.
As Speaker Pelosi once said, "we have to subpoena the Birther Certificate to see what's in it!"
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#110854 Sep 24, 2012
Conservative girl wrote:
<quoted text>Apparently, the Plural meaning in the Constitution is if no value to you either, as jus solis is not enough. I wish you could go back in time and take the matter up with Rep. Bingham, the father of the 14th Amendment. Who was very clear on natural born citizen.
Children born to a foreign parent or foreign parents living in the USA, are 14th amendment American ciizens at birth. Just not natural born American in the sense of becoming President/VP.
They can hold any other office in government, and have all other rights as Americans. Example: Gov. Bobbie Jindal, LA. Both parents were from India, and he was born in America, dual citizenship, India/America. He cannot become President because of their foreign birth status, and they not being American citizens when he was born in America.
Unless Congress changes the Constitution that includes American children with foreign parents who were still not American when their child was born in America assending the Presidency, that fact remains.
Obama is a false President based on that issue alone. But there are other problems in his birth/citizen narrative. I'm sure you realize what they are, although like the media, and Liberals judges it is of no relevance to he continuing to serve. His transcripts at Occidental, Columbia, Harvard, would shed a light on his citizenship, as likely they show he stated foreign citizenship to receive grants. Question is, was that just a convienence to use one citizenship to receive perks at colleges and another citizenship for political gain? My guess both.
The reason Obama remains in office, is that folks in government are afraid to stand up for truth no matter where it leads.
Re Bingham: Bingham ALSO SAID:

“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”

It seems that by 1869 he had changed his mind from what he said in 1866.

Re: "jus soli is not enough."

That is your opinion, but it is not Bingham's or Meese's or the US Supreme Court's in the Wong Kim Ark case. James Madison too. He lists the two possible criteria for allegiance, the location of birth and parents, and says that one only one of them applies in the USA, the place of birth:

His words were: "It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."

As you can see, two criteria were listed, place and parentage, but Madison thinks that PLACE is the most certain criterion of allegiance, and then he says that that is what applies in the USA.

Jindal and Rubio were both born in the USA and both are Natural Born Citizens due to their place of birth. Moreover dual citizenship has absolutely no effect on the matter. We have had four presidents who were dual citizens before Obama: Jefferson and Madison while they were presidents; Wilson and Eisenhower (yes, Eisenhower) at birth. Wilson was a dual British citizen at birth since although his mother became a US citizen when she married Wilson's father she never gave up British subject status, and Eisenhower was a dual German citizen at birth due to old German laws about the grandchildren of its citizens being German.

Re: "is transcripts at Occidental, Columbia, Harvard, would shed a light on his citizenship, as likely they show he stated foreign citizenship to receive grants."

Sure he received financial aid, ACADEMIC scholarships. The claim that he received financial aid as a foreign student came from an April Fool's article first posted on April 1, 2009. There's not a shred of evidence to confirm it.(Oh, and Mitt Romney has not shown his transcripts either.)

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