Republicans after Romney: Rebuild or revamp?

Nov 19, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Washington Times

WASHINGTON , November 19, 2012 - The Republicans are going through some serious soul-searching, following the defeat of their candidate Governor Mitt Romney.

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Some Random Dude

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They lost me years ago when their primary focus was gay marriage and war instead of helping the needy and the poor.
With much embarrassment, I will admit to having voted for Bush Sr in '92. I wouldn't say the GOP "had me" at the time; I would say that I was young and very stupid. Thank goodness young people now are better informed than I was (and I suspect a lot of the kids in my generation at the time).
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Sadly Joe, there's a huge chunk of the working population in America that does all of the above. I don't get it... but it's true. I think it has something to do with the "social" side of conservatism... the religion and all that.
It is sad indeed. I suggest it has to do with the 24/7 propaganda media which we are fed constantly. Additionally I suspect many churches have the concept that when things get bad, people turn to God and the church will be there to help, and thus get committed members for life. The church will grow when things are bad, so people get even more propaganda from the churches they attend.

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

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So you think more conservative extremism is in order? They couldn't win with moderate conservatives, how do you propose they'll win with more extreme ones? Think about that. The jig is up. America has seen the results of conservative economic policy and we are still feeling the effects and wrestling with the policies that still linger (like the tax cuts). Fully conservative policy inevitably results in a greater economic divide. The policy I theorize to be most responsible for America's sudden decline is the free trade agreement; which was signed by Clinton (a fairly economically conservative democrat) and DESIGNED by a conservative congress.
Extremism is a word you libs like to denigrate the right with because America is right of center, not left. We lost because there was not a clear choice between a leftist and a moderate from the east coast. The people that mattered didn't see enough difference. Tax cuts always work moron and history proves it, but no matter, to try and convenience liberals that water in the desert is a good thing only brings out the fact liberals like sand piles more than oasis.

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au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Extremism is a word you libs like to denigrate the right with because America is right of center, not left. We lost because there was not a clear choice between a leftist and a moderate from the east coast. The people that mattered didn't see enough difference. Tax cuts always work moron and history proves it, but no matter, to try and convenience liberals that water in the desert is a good thing only brings out the fact liberals like sand piles more than oasis.
It is the message of the Republicans that lost. You did not just lose the Presidency, you lost seats in both the House and the Senate. Two of the losses can be directly attributed to extremist remarks concerning the reproductive cycle.

The Republicans are every bit as extreme right as the Democrats of the early 80's were extreme left.

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Some Random Dude wrote:
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With much embarrassment, I will admit to having voted for Bush Sr in '92. I wouldn't say the GOP "had me" at the time; I would say that I was young and very stupid. Thank goodness young people now are better informed than I was (and I suspect a lot of the kids in my generation at the time).
..Me too...i think it used to be that you started out democrat, when young, then you would become republican with age and responsibility...but, now it is just the opposite....
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<quoted text>Google "Van Jones Communist"
The guy said he was a communist 20 years ago, but the Righties never forget, even though he's moved on from that.

McCarthy's evil spirit lives and reigns over modern reTHUGlicanism....
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It is the message of the Republicans that lost. You did not just lose the Presidency, you lost seats in both the House and the Senate. Two of the losses can be directly attributed to extremist remarks concerning the reproductive cycle.
The Republicans are every bit as extreme right as the Democrats of the early 80's were extreme left.
Much much moreso, I'd say. McGovern would be pretty liberal by today's standards, of course, but not off the map. Reagan would be a moderate Repub by today's standards, and Repubs like Romney Sr., Percy and the Chafees, father and son, would be centrist Dems these days.

Modern Repubs are more like '50s-'60s Birchers...
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au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Extremism is a word you libs like to denigrate the right with because America is right of center, not left. We lost because there was not a clear choice between a leftist and a moderate from the east coast. The people that mattered didn't see enough difference. Tax cuts always work moron and history proves it, but no matter, to try and convenience liberals that water in the desert is a good thing only brings out the fact liberals like sand piles more than oasis.
Moronic, as usual. America is right of center, but reTHUGlicans are radicals far, FAR right of center, like '50s Birchers. Romney is really a moderate reTHUGgie, just as Obama is a moderate Dem (obviously he's not a "leftist" to anyone but a Teabagger or nutball). There wasn't that much difference, just as there wasn't much between Obama and Clinton or Clinton and Bush.

Tax cuts work to cut taxes, but not always to boost revenues, as you pretend. Reagan cut taxes sharply - then reinstated a lot of those cuts as the deficit ballooned. He learned what modern-day idiots like Norqvist don't get, and you don't, either.
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Well if the nation is going majority Hispanics then everyone better head out because they have an average IQ of 83, lots of kids on welfare, they turn their neighborhoods into ghettos, same as the majority of blacks do, so fine they take over, came here illegally from a third world country and had ten kids on welfare and then they can't raise one kid so the kids join gangs, drop out of high school and end up in prison. They have four times higher high school drop out rate than white students and twice the drop out rate of black students. So there won't be anyone left to pay them welfare, and then it is full on very low IQ, gangs and thugs and no one to pay for welfare. So?? So who the Fk is going to stay here and live like that?? People act like we are not supposed to expect people to work and pay taxes, that we should expect them not to join gangs, it's too much to ask that they finish high school, and so what, we will just bash white people and make them pay for it. Yeah right. Now you will see a mass exodus out of the U.S. I said this for years in here and everyone was so mean and told me to get the hell out. Yeah right, now they will all get out before I do. Same thing in Europe. The natives have to leave due to the immigrants going onto welfare and creating ghettos. And, only the rich can afford to live in low crime white neighborhoods now. It's going to be a third world country with pockets of uber rich neighborhoods, white ones, and then everyone of color in gangs and committing crimes and the government will keep having to lay off law enforcement in order to hand out the welfare to everyone, so those on welfare can commit crimes and there are no police left, we won't be able to afford it. Most white people will have to leave unless they live some place in the South in a white section where they can protect themselves or unless they are uber rich and can afford $5 million for a house in Southern Cal. I'd take the house in So. Cal, or move to someplace similar to that in Europe. But you have to be super rich to do it.
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Well if the nation is going majority Hispanics then everyone better head out because they have an average IQ of 83, lots of kids on welfare, they turn their neighborhoods into ghettos, same as the majority of blacks do, so fine ..blah, blah, blah...
Another of your stupid posts, as well as an ugly racist rant. So sad that we get so much of that from the Right, whether reTHUGlican or Libertarian...
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What are the Problems?

While the mistakes made by George Bush’s Republican Party are so numerous one could probably never compile a completely conclusive book on the matter, most can be traced to fundamental root causes that desperately need to be identified and purged- below are a few of the broad policy mistakes committed by the Party.

The first and perhaps most important problem of the Republican Party is its lack of respect, and often distain, for the rule of law and individual liberty. This was manifested particularly well in the 2003-2006 era, long after the initial fear and uncertainty in the wake of 9/11, with legislation such as the renewal of the PATRIOT Act, the Military Commissions Act, numerous electronic privacy infringements, and a number of other unconstitutional activities including the effective elimination of habeas corpus. For a nation founded as the premier beacon of personal liberty, these recent policies are like knives stabbed directly into its heart and soul. Respect for the rule of law, rather than the rule of man, is a point that cannot be overstressed. The Republican Party has not held true to this most-important ideal, even while its candidates make proclamations to uphold it.

The second mistake of the Republican Party is the culture of spending it helped not only maintain but expand beyond comprehension. For instance the US Federal Budget for fiscal year 2000, Clinton’s last budget, was $1.9 trillion, a far cry from fiscal prudence, but when compared to the $3.1 trillion budget (not including war, bailout, stimulus, etc) President Bush submitted for fiscal year 2009 it looks quite lean. Inflation and natural increases can only account for a portion of the growth. The rest seems to have been allocated down a black-hole because if my hunch is correct American’s are not feeling any increase in the quantity or quality of services in spite of the rapid growth of federal spending. The Republican Party still to this day claims to be the party of fiscal conservatism, yet this could not be farther from the truth. If the party changes its actual policy to better represent its proclaimed policy then maybe it will begin to reclaim some level of credibility with voters.

The third major blunder of the Republican Party over the last 8 years is its willingness to support a radical non-American foreign policy of American aggression and intervention oversees. The need of pre-emptive war when one nation is in the process of initiating attack is historically understood by most foreign policy analysts, but the present day Republican Party has taken the notion to the extreme. Not only are nations subject to attack if they gain the power to mount their own attack against America (even without willingness to use it), but they are subject to attack for only attempting or better yet desiring the power to defend their nations against a potential American strikes. This belief used to be called naked aggression. The Republican Party has combined the worst of realism and idealism to create a foreign policy that is so extreme, so perverted, that future generations will look back and ponder “what in the world were they thinking
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CunningLinguist wrote:
What are the Problems?
While the mistakes made by George Bush’s Republican Party are so numerous one could probably never compile a completely conclusive book on the matter, most can be traced to fundamental root causes that desperately need to be identified and purged- below are a few of the broad policy mistakes committed by the Party.
The first and perhaps most important problem of the Republican Party is its lack of respect, and often distain, for the rule of law and individual liberty. This was manifested particularly well in the 2003-2006 era, long after the initial fear and uncertainty in the wake of 9/11, with legislation such as the renewal of the PATRIOT Act, the Military Commissions Act, numerous electronic privacy infringements, and a number of other unconstitutional activities including the effective elimination of habeas corpus. For a nation founded as the premier beacon of personal liberty, these recent policies are like knives stabbed directly into its heart and soul. Respect for the rule of law, rather than the rule of man, is a point that cannot be overstressed. The Republican Party has not held true to this most-important ideal, even while its candidates make proclamations to uphold it.
The second mistake of the Republican Party is the culture of spending it helped not only maintain but expand beyond comprehension. For instance the US Federal Budget for fiscal year 2000, Clinton’s last budget, was $1.9 trillion, a far cry from fiscal prudence, but when compared to the $3.1 trillion budget (not including war, bailout, stimulus, etc) President Bush submitted for fiscal year 2009 it looks quite lean. Inflation and natural increases can only account for a portion of the growth. The rest seems to have been allocated down a black-hole because if my hunch is correct American’s are not feeling any increase in the quantity or quality of services in spite of the rapid growth of federal spending. The Republican Party still to this day claims to be the party of fiscal conservatism, yet this could not be farther from the truth. If the party changes its actual policy to better represent its proclaimed policy then maybe it will begin to reclaim some level of credibility with voters.
The third major blunder of the Republican Party over the last 8 years is its willingness to support a radical non-American foreign policy of American aggression and intervention oversees. The need of pre-emptive war when one nation is in the process of initiating attack is historically understood by most foreign policy analysts, but the present day Republican Party has taken the notion to the extreme. Not only are nations subject to attack if they gain the power to mount their own attack against America (even without willingness to use it), but they are subject to attack for only attempting or better yet desiring the power to defend their nations against a potential American strikes. This belief used to be called naked aggression. The Republican Party has combined the worst of realism and idealism to create a foreign policy that is so extreme, so perverted, that future generations will look back and ponder “what in the world were they thinking
Well said and worth repeating. I might add the mistake of how they treat the economy and the damage they do to the middle class.

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Sad this will not come as a surprise or shock to most
Obama 332
Draft dodger Romney = 206.

You lost.
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au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Extremism is a word you libs like to denigrate the right with because America is right of center, not left. We lost because there was not a clear choice between a leftist and a moderate from the east coast. The people that mattered didn't see enough difference. Tax cuts always work moron and history proves it, but no matter, to try and convenience liberals that water in the desert is a good thing only brings out the fact liberals like sand piles more than oasis.
"Real" conservatism will not fly with American voters. You can click your ruby slippers as much as you like you dumb bitch, but it won't change the fact. We've already seen (recently) the effects of conservative policy.

I'm not even going to bother to debate with you over the tax cut argument. It's clearly the equivalent of trying to talk to an illiterate brick wall. Happy thanksgiving!
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Another of your stupid posts, as well as an ugly racist rant. So sad that we get so much of that from the Right, whether reTHUGlican or Libertarian...
You call it racist to tell the truth, and you are going to have to carry the whole financial load. Yes, Mexicans are 80 percent on welfare, same as the blacks, and yes they do not work and pay income taxes, they drain taxes instead, and yes, someone has to pay for it. If the black community has been 80 percent on welfare for the last 40 years, that does not mean I am racist. It means that most of the blacks have lived on welfare for the last 40 years. Try sticking to the facts.

Now we are starting to bring in 250,000 immigrants from other contries every year to pick up the slack. Here we have 12 million illegals from Mexico and they can't pay taxes, they are on welfare. So now we are bringing in educated immigrants and make them NOT apply for welfare in order to be allowed to gain citizenship, they have to buy a home and start a business. You need to stick to the facts. You people call everyone a racist. You pay for this crap. You pay for it. I am not interested in paying for the entire black and Hispanic communities to live on welfare and commit crimes and warehouse them in prisons because a few idiot whites feel important by defending this crap. NO one cares you want to take my money and give it out to create ghettos and crime. Give them YOUR money and leave me out of it, and don't libel me for telling the truth. YOU pay for it. You love it, PAY FOR IT YOURSELF.

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It is the message of the Republicans that lost. You did not just lose the Presidency, you lost seats in both the House and the Senate. Two of the losses can be directly attributed to extremist remarks concerning the reproductive cycle.
The Republicans are every bit as extreme right as the Democrats of the early 80's were extreme left.
You hit on something very fundamental in American politics. Often the losing party in a Presidential election will react to the loss by going extreme. In the 1980's the Democrats did just that after Carter lost the election. They put people up that made middle America very uncomfortable. For years the Democrats thought that if they just got farther to the left, people would finally understand them.

Now the Republicans are doing the same, and I think that the Republicans might not come back to the White House until 2020, possibly.

The bottom line is that Mr. Obama may be far from the middle, but he is closer to the middle than the Republicans are at present, and extremist thinking makes Americans uncomfortable.

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Christopher Keller wrote:
Often the losing party in a Presidential election will react to the loss by going extreme. In the 1980's the Democrats did just that after Carter lost the election.
Wow...

You are really out in the cornfield.

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