Do You Believe In Evolution?

Do You Believe In Evolution?

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1605 Jun 9, 2007
Kenhunt wrote:
<quoted text>My statement was a response from someone who was saying he was qualified to comment on quantum physics by virtue of some courses and personal reading. I don't give a hoot what you say or think. I can tell from your comment what kind of "man" you are, boy.
Then WHY did you bother a reply, if you don't care?

And I LIKE how you immediately resort to name-calling, when someone calls you on your obvious boasts and hyperbole.

I ALSO note that YOU do not qualify YOUR comments on quantum physics with formal study.

Hmmm.

Methinks you are guilty of violating YOUR OWN standards--- YOU are not qualified, EITHER.

I noticed you, again, failed to specify your "3 degrees". Embarrassed?

You shouldn't be-- underwater basket weaving is a fine profession for people with weak mental skills.....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1606 Jun 9, 2007
Kenhunt wrote:
If you pray for potatos, do it with one hand on the plow.
Excellent point!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1607 Jun 9, 2007
Katydid wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, first of all, as you have been told many times, science is “sure” about evolution. Because you want to deny it or stick your head in the sand, does not make it so.
Second, the Bible was never written as a historical or science text and NEVER should be interpreted as such. It was written not to answer the questions of how we arrived here but to answer the question of how to live your life in order to attain grace with God.
The Bible was written by a primitive people for a primitive people that had very little knowledge of our world. They thought that the world was flat, that the earth was the center of the universe, and all illnesses were caused by an imbalance of the four bodily humours. It is written using metaphors, poetry, stories, and allegory, to explain the unknown in terms of what is known by a primitive people
If you want to believe that the earth is 6000 years old, in a global/ worldwide flood and interpret Genesis literally, go for it. That is your right. It is not the right of Creationists though to insist that these stories actually present an “alternative” to evolution to high school bio students.
Up to your usual high standards, Kathy.

Nice.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1608 Jun 9, 2007
Edape wrote:
<quoted text>
Teach the Bible because it had such an influence on you.
Why? The influence was mostly negative, from my perspective. The more I studied it, the less I was able to accept christianity as a viable system of belief.

Teach it in your home, in your church-- I'm all for that. Our country was founded on the principle that parents may teach their kids ANYTHING-- even if it is detrimental to their mental health (as most evangelical christian teachings are). It's a long standing tradition.

But DON'T teach it in PUBLIC schools-- there are too many things wrong with it.

More importantly, WHICH bible would you teach? WHICH version? WHICH interpretation?

If just the PROTESTANT christians could get together with ONE version--- maybe you'd have a case.

But, even with the SAME WORDS, the results are so extreme that some christians literally come to violence over the perceived differences.

So, again: WHICH bible?
Edape wrote:
On a ridge of the Grand Canyon we found a living tribe thought to be of The Hopi Tribe descent.
All day they sort food and prepared it and ate and slept for the next day. They had a group type communication but did not show any signs of conceptual talk. They did bury their dead.
??? Non-sequitur-- what's your point with this paragraph?

“Peace ”

Since: Jun 07

Brooklyn

#1609 Jun 9, 2007
tomk52 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ed,
Elaborate on this story please. Who were these people. When were they "found". What are you implying with the statement that "they had a group type communication but did not show any signs of conceptual talk"?
tk
This is the toughest reply yet.
The airforce found this tribe and monitered them. I stayed in San Diego for a time and my brothers friend who was in the airforce and a pilot told me of this story. We also had a few discussions on U.F.O.'s
Its not top secret or anything but I will do my damist to get more info on this tribe. I regret that I mentioned them but I did and know that it requires a better and more thorough evidence.
In the mean time (and this is not being evasive) you might like to read about the Hopi tribe and their beliefs that included a great flood and an original created man that they believed they desended from.
As for my religion I don't have any except that I see the bible in many contexts and am a believer in the teaching of Jesus and God thus I call myself Christian.
More to follow on your question.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1610 Jun 9, 2007
Gillette wrote:
John
And you admitted you are a man without a conscience. Not natural at all. Except for maybe serial killers. Oh My.
"He" indicated he had no conscience. By saying what he did about consciences. They were his words.
Gillette
BS. I never "admitted" any such thing. I suggested that Jesus is an Imaginary Friend you use to make yourself feel better and whistle past the graveyard.
Read what Bob-of-Quantum-Faith had to say about that "tiny voice" that you apparently believe is the Little Baby Jesus trying to cajole you into behaving properly:
Bob wrote:
I act in an ethical/moral fashion because I choose to do so. Not out of fear. Not out of worry about some mythical sky being will "get me"-- but because I CHOOSE to.
John
I'm pretty sure that the bunch of you will really go to hell.You are all always so right. Never wrong. It's really amusing.

You can run but you cannot hide from God.You'll see!!
Gillette
John, you seem really big on the whole "mythical sky being gonna GET ME" because I dare see the world and life differently than you and the other fundamentalist Christians.
And what a deeply thrilling and satisfying Revenge Fantasy THAT is, right? You'll be right there, hanging over the edge of the clouds, in the happy fundamentalist subdivision of Heavenland, crowing at us "Nya, nya, I TOLD you so, I TOLD you so...!"
And you wonder why some folks think evangelical Christianity is a religion for people who aren't terribly bright?
LOL!!! That was ... too funny, G. Too funny indeed.

I especially liked your very last sentence:

Gillette: "And you wonder why some folks think evangelical Christianity is a religion for people who aren't terribly bright?"
yeknom

Alexandria, VA

#1611 Jun 9, 2007
schha lockka schha lome my kahhanubiean brother! nyet daz skitz ah shitz daz youz swaallowz likkem daz inz brokembackem moutinz? bettzah youz doezem' causem iffemz yzem dizzemnot uzem be sayemiz pickemz up daz soap.
yeknom

Alexandria, VA

#1612 Jun 9, 2007
Oss byez daz wayz, too Darwinz left nutz. Maybe if you had two u would notz worry about you left one. then you would understand the overall big picture, and not the never ending small myopic setting that you think you see. Any questions? Plz call 1-800-giv-a-ratz-azz. They are there for you 24/7. And maybe then and only then will you speak with someone who actually cares with what you have to say.

“blow it out your bagpipes”

Since: Dec 06

Salford, Manchester UK

#1613 Jun 9, 2007
yeknom wrote:
schha lockka schha lome my kahhanubiean brother! nyet daz skitz ah shitz daz youz swaallowz likkem daz inz brokembackem moutinz? bettzah youz doezem' causem iffemz yzem dizzemnot uzem be sayemiz pickemz up daz soap.
I said Gorilla, not Baboon, ya prosimian simpleton. LOL

“blow it out your bagpipes”

Since: Dec 06

Salford, Manchester UK

#1614 Jun 9, 2007
yeknom wrote:
Oss byez daz wayz, too Darwinz left nutz. Maybe if you had two u would notz worry about you left one. then you would understand the overall big picture, and not the never ending small myopic setting that you think you see. Any questions? Plz call 1-800-giv-a-ratz-azz. They are there for you 24/7. And maybe then and only then will you speak with someone who actually cares with what you have to say.
Sorry, I don't speak Baboon.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1615 Jun 9, 2007
John wrote:
.... It seems that you enjoy to much trying to snatch beliefs of Christians( Their happiness )from them.
Wouldn't DREAM of it, actually.

This country is founded on the principle of freedom to believe in flying pink unicorns, if that makes you happy.

But-- you CLAIM it makes them happy-- yet, many Xianists who come on this board are anything but happy--- I wonder why that is?
John wrote:
I wonder why? You have no faith. So you are bent on destroying theirs.
ONLY if _THEY_ are bent on FORCING their kooky ideas on me or on public education.

Then-- the gloves are off.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1616 Jun 9, 2007
John wrote:
<quoted text>So much for????? Yea! You really made a good point there. Stuck your head in a pencil sharpener did ya?You keep on winning arguments with you self.
Obviously because YOU are no challenge-- your lame excuses are far too easy to disprove.

Like THIS lame reply of yours-- I notice you NEVER, EVER directly answer the many questions and points I poised in my post.

I wonder why? Don't you HAVE an answer?

Hmmm.
John wrote:
Your long winded bovine replies crack me up.
Happy to oblige. It's also pretty clear they sail right over your head. To deep for you to comprehend? So you point fingers and laugh.

Enjoy.

But, just so you know-- I don't really care if you comprehend or not. I don't write for YOU. You're so willfully ignorant that no amount of logic and reason will penetrate your "faith". No facts will dissuade YOU from your already-made-up mind. You just KNOW you are right-- yes? Yes, I think so....
John wrote:
I won't try to debate with you because I read these posts long before I made one.
And-- you NEVER EVEN TRY, do you?

Could the REAL TRUTH be because you don't have answers to my questions?

You're no better than my 1st grade sunday school of 40 years ago-- but at least she was willing to admit when she simply did not know.
John wrote:
Nothing from a christian is tolerated.
Katydid is a self-professed Christian. Everything SHE says I read with interest.

Moreover, I have never felt the need to contradict anything SHE said.

So. Are YOU claiming that Katydid is not a Christian, then?

Or, is it just more of your absolutist "all or nothing" thinking?

Or, as I strongly suspect, is it simply more of your lies?
John wrote:
You all simply feel your are always right.
No-- it's just that so far, YOU are ALWAYS WRONG!

Somewhat of a different situation, actually.
John wrote:
And that you could never be wrong. You would never concede one point how ever small.
Again, you lie. Go back and read my historical posts-- I've more than once said, "I stand corrected" or similar.

But-- YOU have NEVER, EVER made a point worth concession.

Hmmm. Ever wonder why that is?
John wrote:
Even if you thought it was valid.
See above.
John wrote:
Any creationist reading this should just abandon this sight.
Hmmm. That is really a reflection of the creationist-mindset, isn't it?
John wrote:
There is no point in talking to these people. No matter how right you are . Here, you will always be WRONG!! As for your coming reply. Bla. Bla. Bla.
Hmmm. You FINALLY learned something, then-- since it's obvious that YOUR brain is made of concrete, you essentially correct-- there really IS no point in YOUR conversation, is there?

Because YOU learn NOTHING new-- nothing that is not already in your version of the bible.

Whatever.

John, you are not unique at all-- I've seen your sort many times before-- and they ALWAYS give up, as you seem to have done.

Don't let the screen door hit ya in the behind......<rolls eyes>

“Peace ”

Since: Jun 07

Brooklyn

#1617 Jun 9, 2007
Edape wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the toughest reply yet.
The air-force found this tribe and monitored them. I stayed in San Diego for a time and my brothers friend who was in the air-force and a pilot told me of this story. We also had a few discussions on U.F.O.'s
Its not top secret or anything but I will do my damist to get more info on this tribe. I regret that I mentioned them but I did and know that it requires a better and more thorough evidence.
In the mean time (and this is not being evasive) you might like to read about the Hopi tribe and their beliefs that included a great flood and an original created man that they believed they descended from.
As for my religion I don't have any except that I see the bible in many contexts and am a believer in the teaching of Jesus and God thus I call myself Christian.
More to follow on your question.
I can not find nor prove any information on the tribe on the Grand Canyon ridge so I retract this on the assumption that the person I was speaking to was just making a brain picking conversation with me.
On another day I was showed some muskets from a wagon found in the Nevada Dessert all covered in a very greasy cloth that he said was found with imaging equipment from a passover in his group. Sort of how they rediscovered the ancient China trade route. Another argument for another forum
Sorry about the misinformation...Ed
BloodyViking

Louisville, KY

#1619 Jun 9, 2007
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
There is evidence of a significant flood in the Tigris-Euphrates valley in about the right time frame. Isaac Asimov talks about it in his Guide to History. It was far higher than any other in history, and would have filled much of the valley. To the early civilization in the area, it would have seemed like a world encompassing flood.
Asimov believed this flood to be the source of both the Noah flood story and the legend of the flood in Gilgamesh.
Cool. I didn't know about that. Thanks.

“Rattling for Chemistry”

Since: Dec 06

Deep Swamps of Georgia

#1621 Jun 9, 2007
John wrote:
Just thought I'd give ya someone to hate for the night. It's fun to watch you all get so riled up when someone invades your little world. You love it. Which one of us can best put him in his place. It seems that you enjoy to much trying to snatch beliefs of Christians( Their happiness )from them. I wonder why? You have no faith. So you are bent on destroying theirs.
Geee....you seem to have little faith in your own religion.

Since: Dec 06

Clearwater, Florida USA

#1622 Jun 9, 2007
John wrote:
Just thought I'd give ya someone to hate for the night. It's fun to watch you all get so riled up when someone invades your little world. You love it. Which one of us can best put him in his place. It seems that you enjoy to much trying to snatch beliefs of Christians( Their happiness )from them. I wonder why? You have no faith. So you are bent on destroying theirs.
First off John, Christ says the good seed sown and cared for produces a hundred times over. It is rather easy for an evolutionist to defeat a creationist because the Truth is in science not a Bronze Age book. Christ says to do good to those that hurt you, what kind of Christian did you say you were, again? Read your post quoted above and see why i ask.
P.S. Christ says every idle word uttered will be upon us when we meet Him in Heaven.

“Creation first, then evolution”

Since: Apr 07

Redwood City, CA

#1623 Jun 9, 2007
Here is my non-advanced educated opinion in light of the nonsensical contributions on this forum:

Evolution has only to do with the existence of something, not the origin of it, because something won't evolve if it does not yet exist. And of course things don't evolve from nothing. Things only evolve from something.

Evolution is not the beginning of anything, but any "thing" is the beginning of evolution.

Evolution is the change, the advancement and progress of something that exists, including the end of it's existence.

For example, nothing will come of a field of corn if there is no corn and no field.

Everyone can come to their own hypothesis on where or how the origional "something" occurred, but that is not the subject of this thread. Our discussion is supposed to be about evolution, which has nothing to do with the beginning of existence.

I will add however, that I believe the word "faith" in the context of origin simply means belief or confidence. For example you can have faith in the God's creation, or the big bang theory, or something from nothing.
>I you are only leaning towards something, I recommend leaning AWAY from the "something from nothing."

Since: Dec 06

NorCal

#1625 Jun 10, 2007
Inside Scoop wrote:
Here is my non-advanced educated opinion in light of the nonsensical contributions on this forum:
Evolution has only to do with the existence of something, not the origin of it, because something won't evolve if it does not yet exist. And of course things don't evolve from nothing. Things only evolve from something.
Evolution is not the beginning of anything, but any "thing" is the beginning of evolution.
Evolution is the change, the advancement and progress of something that exists, including the end of it's existence.
For example, nothing will come of a field of corn if there is no corn and no field.
Everyone can come to their own hypothesis on where or how the origional "something" occurred, but that is not the subject of this thread. Our discussion is supposed to be about evolution, which has nothing to do with the beginning of existence.
I will add however, that I believe the word "faith" in the context of origin simply means belief or confidence. For example you can have faith in the God's creation, or the big bang theory, or something from nothing.
>I you are only leaning towards something, I recommend leaning AWAY from the "something from nothing."
Nuthin from nuthin is nuthin, ya gotta have sumthin.......

Since: Mar 07

Austin, TX

#1626 Jun 10, 2007
What most people don't get, and it certainly not demonstrated by those who claim to be Christian in this forum; is the belief by most Christian's in God's love. Jesus came to teach it to us.

To ask a Christian to reject the pursuit of the manner of living, loving and worshipping that Jesus taught is impossible. Who or what else is capable of loving a Christian as much as his or her God?

Unfortunately, most Christian's cannot separate Christ from the rest of the bible. The theologian's and the ancient council's put together the bible and preachers ever since have been justifying all of it with some sort of logic that ties it all together. Which mystifies me, as I didn't think faith required logic, but that's just me.

The point I am trying to make is this. Many Christian's are taught that the bible is inerrant, because those teaching that is inerrant fear that if any part of it is found to be in error the entire Bible falls apart, and peoples faith.

So Christian's are taught, to believe in Christ, you have to beleive in all of the Bible.

I believe in Christ, but I don't believe in the literal interpretation of the bible. I would be called a liberal Christian at the best of times (worse by a fundamentalist Christian).

Jesus even said it himself, he came to replace the old laws and books (he was the fulfillment of the law); and God would write the New Covanent in the hearts of men. Yet the right-wing Christian's act like pre-Christ Jews, holding onto the law, and claiming it is without error.

Until mainstream Christianity puts down these Jews in Christian clothing, there never be an understanding between Christianity and Science.

God Bless
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1627 Jun 10, 2007
Ajax

Well said. I respect your beliefs and your point of view.

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