The GOP's growing Libertarian problem

The GOP's growing Libertarian problem

There are 228 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 20, 2012, titled The GOP's growing Libertarian problem. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson took about 1 percent of the vote, winning more raw votes than any Libertarian candidate ever .

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Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#121 Nov 21, 2012
cindie wrote:
It will be efficient to develop a one party system...JUST LIKE RUSSIA AND CHINA DID.
And China leads the world in productivity and economic growth. The fact that they already own most of the US debt is interesting, but immaterial. The country has spoken in the election, we are to continue the path Obama has chosen.

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#122 Nov 22, 2012
au contraire wrote:
Ron Paul, Johnson and their followers all contributed to Obama's win, just as Ross Peroit did for Clinton. They can't win without divide and conquer.
Actually, even if every Johnson supporter had voted for Romney (and many never would, including me), Romney STILL WOULD HAVE LOST BIG.

The fact is, the Republican message of hate isn't selling, and Romney sure as Hell wasn't selling.

Republicans need to focus on fiscal conservatism and cut back on the hate- that will bring people back (including me).

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#123 Nov 22, 2012
I'm a libertarian Republican.

I voted for Gary Johnson.

But I want to be perfectly clear, even if Gary Johnson hadn't been running as a Libertarian, I would NOT have voted for a big government Republican like Mitt Romney.

I would have written in Ron Paul.

Romney was a dismal candidate, and I wan't going to vote for him under any circumstance.

Since: Jul 12

Washington, DC

#124 Nov 22, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
Why wasn't Gary Johnson on the ballot in Michigan?????
Because he did not qualify to be on the ballot.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#125 Nov 22, 2012
anneutral wrote:
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I for one welcome the "fiscal cliff", and the expiration of the 2001/2003 tax cuts.
Elections have their Karma......

Top Five Tax Increases Tax Increases as % of Income

#1 – New Jersey $6,933 6.82%

#2 – Maryland $7,194 6.74%

#3 – Connecticut $6,653 6.62%

#4 – Massachusetts $6,632 6.53%

#5 – New Hampshire $5,660 5.81%

Since: Jul 12

Washington, DC

#126 Nov 22, 2012
libertarian4321 wrote:
I'm a libertarian Republican.
I voted for Gary Johnson.
But I want to be perfectly clear, even if Gary Johnson hadn't been running as a Libertarian, I would NOT have voted for a big government Republican like Mitt Romney.
I would have written in Ron Paul.
Romney was a dismal candidate, and I wan't going to vote for him under any circumstance.
A Libertarian Republican? That makes about as much sense as a Liberal Republican. That is what I am. I could not vote for Romney either so I went for Obama.

Libertarians can't even be TEA Party, much less a regular Republican. The TEA Party are not even for small government. They are just for a balanced budget without raising taxes. And they don't think they should have to sacrifice anything to get there hence their stand on SS and Medicare.

It is like that guy and taxes. We need more taxes, but don't tax me tax that fellow behind that tree. The TEA Party just wants to gore someone elses Ox.
JDC

Corpus Christi, TX

#127 Nov 23, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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A Libertarian Republican? That makes about as much sense as a Liberal Republican.
Huh?

" If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."
Ronald Reagan

A libertarain republican does make sense obviously.

If the heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism as Ronald Reagan stated then a republican should have libertarian roots. Unfortunately many republicans today support large government, thus they are not really conservatives and thus the name RINO, which is a liberal republican.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#128 Nov 23, 2012
JDC wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh?
" If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."
Ronald Reagan
A libertarain republican does make sense obviously.
If the heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism as Ronald Reagan stated then a republican should have libertarian roots. Unfortunately many republicans today support large government, thus they are not really conservatives and thus the name RINO, which is a liberal republican.
It is very obvious, after the last election, that progressive liberals now have the majority.
SISL

Ardsley, NY

#129 Nov 23, 2012
The GOP's problem is stodgy old farts without imaginations. ONE example is the failed and phony "War on Drugs". Surrender already. Legalize and TAX the HELL out of them.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#130 Nov 23, 2012
SISL wrote:
The GOP's problem is stodgy old farts without imaginations. ONE example is the failed and phony "War on Drugs". Surrender already. Legalize and TAX the HELL out of them.
Now you're talking. Tax the hell out of pot, crack, gasoline and coal.
Chicopee

United States

#131 Nov 23, 2012
SISL wrote:
The GOP's problem is stodgy old farts without imaginations. ONE example is the failed and phony "War on Drugs". Surrender already. Legalize and TAX the HELL out of them.
Legalize which drugs? Pot? Crack? Meth? Heroin? Cocaine?
I came of age during the height of cocaine use. I had friends in and out of rehab. Friends who ruined their businesses or careers, their marriages and abandoned their children. And a growing number of them who died of heart failure at a young age, usually when they started using again after stopping for a while.
I have friends now whose children are addicted to Oxy's, Roxies and one addicted to heroin. These are decent kids, some of whom I've known from infants, who got addicted to these drugs and who can't function normally, can't hold down jobs, are sick all the time because they can't always get their drugs, who turn to robbery, dealing, stripping and prostitution (this a beautiful young lady who was A honors all through school who did real well her first three semesters in college), who rob their parents, friends and other family members blind. A couple are in prison and too many of them have friends and fellow addicts who end up committing suicide (a girl that played soccer with one of my daughters committed suicide exactly nine days ago).
Do you suppose any of them had the slightest idea what they were getting into when they first decided to start taking this crap? Do you have any idea of how much angst, self loathing and depression they go through because they can't get out of it? because of what they will resort to just to get more drugs?
Do you know what the families go through? Have you ever dealt with a baby that was born addicted? Do you know how many grandparents are raising dysfunctional grandchildren who have been passed back and forth to different family members while mom off on a bender, is in and out of rehab, county jail or prison? This is a massive problem that millions nationwide are dealing with. And you want to legalize this sh&t?
cjrian

Denver, CO

#132 Nov 24, 2012
responder wrote:
Iraq and Afghanistan, Bush's babies, have been pretty much 'off-the-books' too, FYI.
The rest of this post, offtopic though it is, is insane and a figment of reTHUGlican and Rightie historical revisionism. Always good for a laugh, of course, since educated people know what ACTUALLY happened and how wrong you all are.
Hoover's Treasury Sec'y, Mellon, wanted to do what previous administrations had done in a recession, slowed the economy and cut taxes and spending. Since a major problem with the economic downturn was massive unemployment, Hoover instead raised upper bracket and corporate taxes and tried to create jobs. FDR did even more than Hoover in that area. Per Keynes, this of course stimulated the economy even more and began the recovery by putting money in peoples' hands and enabling them to spend and stimulate jobs and employment. We were WELL on our way to recovery before WWII came along and provided full employment.
Please, read history and STOP being such a stupid revisionist! Your sentence "The Black Friday stock market crash had little effect" is one of the dumbest ever written! LOL
Iraq and Afghanistan were both approved by Congress and were therefore "on the books"

As for Hoover?
He may have increase tax rates on the wealthy by 250%(from 25% to 63%), but his tax hikes massacred the lower and middle classes. The bottom rate more than tripled from 1.5% to 4%, and likewise for middle income earners (e.g., 3% to 9%)
http://taxfoundation.org/article/us-federal-i...

Keynes, himself, NEVER advocated what is described as Keynesianism. He promoted mild stimulus programs, provided DEBT WAS INITIALLY LOW. Keynes NEVER advocated massive debt! For that matter, he later even renounced his own economic hypothesis, stating, "They are just fools. You know, my ideas were frightfully important in the 1930s. But you can trust me, Hayek, my ideas have become dated."

Keynes further stated, "What we want is not no planning, or even less planning, indeed I should say we almost certainly want more. But the planning should take place in a community in which as many people as possible, both leaders and followers, wholly share your own moral position" - in other words, he advocated community "buy in", rather than dictatorial edicts on economic measures

We were on an economic improvement trajectory prior to WWII?
According to what measure? Unemployment in 1928 was 4.2%, in 1936, it was 16.9%, in 1938, it was 19%. That doesn't seem like much of a "recovery", does it?

WWII did NOT provide full employment!
WWII took million out of the workforce, which is not the same as full employment. WWII further exacerbated the debt situation, which is worse.

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#133 Nov 24, 2012
Chicopee wrote:
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Legalize which drugs? Pot? Crack? Meth? Heroin? Cocaine?
I came of age during the height of cocaine use. I had friends in and out of rehab. Friends who ruined their businesses or careers, their marriages and abandoned their children. And a growing number of them who died of heart failure at a young age, usually when they started using again after stopping for a while.
I have friends now whose children are addicted to Oxy's, Roxies and one addicted to heroin. These are decent kids, some of whom I've known from infants, who got addicted to these drugs and who can't function normally, can't hold down jobs, are sick all the time because they can't always get their drugs, who turn to robbery, dealing, stripping and prostitution (this a beautiful young lady who was A honors all through school who did real well her first three semesters in college), who rob their parents, friends and other family members blind. A couple are in prison and too many of them have friends and fellow addicts who end up committing suicide (a girl that played soccer with one of my daughters committed suicide exactly nine days ago).
Do you suppose any of them had the slightest idea what they were getting into when they first decided to start taking this crap? Do you have any idea of how much angst, self loathing and depression they go through because they can't get out of it? because of what they will resort to just to get more drugs?
Do you know what the families go through? Have you ever dealt with a baby that was born addicted? Do you know how many grandparents are raising dysfunctional grandchildren who have been passed back and forth to different family members while mom off on a bender, is in and out of rehab, county jail or prison? This is a massive problem that millions nationwide are dealing with. And you want to legalize this sh&t?
Legalize marijuana and tax it like the much more dangerous alcohol. The rest of drugs should be decriminalized. If your found with them they get taken and you get fined but no jail time for drugs. IT COST US CLOSE TO 1 TRILLION IN CITY STATE COUNTY AND FEDERAL MONEY EACH YEAR FOR WAR OND RUGS AND TO JAIL PEOPLE FOR DRUGS.......THAT HAS TO STOP.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#134 Nov 24, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>
Legalize marijuana and tax it like the much more dangerous alcohol. The rest of drugs should be decriminalized. If your found with them they get taken and you get fined but no jail time for drugs. IT COST US CLOSE TO 1 TRILLION IN CITY STATE COUNTY AND FEDERAL MONEY EACH YEAR FOR WAR OND RUGS AND TO JAIL PEOPLE FOR DRUGS.......THAT HAS TO STOP.
True, we should help them all OD, no more Obama voters.........no mo problem.

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#135 Nov 24, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>True, we should help them all OD, no more Obama voters.........no mo problem.
Of course you would see it like that. Most of the people I know who smoke marijuana once in awhile vote GOP by the way. In fact there is more growing support for doing away with drug laws in the GOP then in the dem party.
Chicopee

United States

#136 Nov 24, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>
Legalize marijuana and tax it like the much more dangerous alcohol. The rest of drugs should be decriminalized. If your found with them they get taken and you get fined but no jail time for drugs. IT COST US CLOSE TO 1 TRILLION IN CITY STATE COUNTY AND FEDERAL MONEY EACH YEAR FOR WAR OND RUGS AND TO JAIL PEOPLE FOR DRUGS.......THAT HAS TO STOP.
That doesn't make all that much sense.
We'll have a country full of addicts (we already do) who will get fined...but don't have the money to pay. Then, thanks to our new healthcare, we can just keep putting them in rehabs. Open more clinics for the addicted, hand out more methadone. After they've completely destroyed their health, just put them on disability and send them to pain management doctors, who will dole out the drugs and test their urine every few weeks to make sure they're taking what they're supposed to and not taking what they shouldn't be.
Think Im joking? All this is happening already.
Then we can do like they do in England and de-criminalize mugging, breaking and entering, robbery. You'll have to be arrested 19 times and they still won't put you in jail (maybe rehab). And when some homeowner that you've robbed several times before finally gets fed up and shoots at you, they can put him in jail, give the robber a shorter sentence and provide him with lawyers and money so that he can sue the homeowner.
Not kidding about this either (John Martin case).
Decriminalizing drugs doesn't change a thing about addiction and the mayhem, sickness and crime that go with it. Fixing or maintaining that will cost a hell of a lot more than jailing dealers.
Marijuana should be decriminalized and taxed, but that won't stop illegal dealing or the drug war in Mexico that's spilling over into the U.S..
Legalizing will only lead to more problems and more costs. Think about it.
Chicopee

United States

#137 Nov 24, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you would see it like that. Most of the people I know who smoke marijuana once in awhile vote GOP by the way. In fact there is more growing support for doing away with drug laws in the GOP then in the dem party.
And of course you can back this up with a poll or a study, right?

Since: Jul 12

Washington, DC

#138 Nov 25, 2012
JDC wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh?
" If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."
Ronald Reagan
A libertarain republican does make sense obviously.
If the heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism as Ronald Reagan stated then a republican should have libertarian roots. Unfortunately many republicans today support large government, thus they are not really conservatives and thus the name RINO, which is a liberal republican.
Ronald Reagan was honest? When did that happen? Reagans heart and soul were into large, expensive militaries and an activist foreign policy. Further, he nearly doubled the SS tax on self-employed small business owners to "save" Social Security.

If that is what you mean when you say Libertarianism then you must be correct.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#139 Nov 26, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ronald Reagan was honest? When did that happen? Reagans heart and soul were into large, expensive militaries and an activist foreign policy. Further, he nearly doubled the SS tax on self-employed small business owners to "save" Social Security.
If that is what you mean when you say Libertarianism then you must be correct.
Obama's Soviet Mistake
19.11.2012
By Xavier Lerma

Putin in 2009 outlined his strategy for economic success. Alas, poor Obama did the opposite but nevertheless was re-elected. Bye, bye Miss American Pie. The Communists have won in America with Obama but failed miserably in Russia with Zyuganov who only received 17% of the vote.

Vladimir Putin was re-elected as President keeping the NWO order out of Russia while America continues to repeat the Soviet mistake.

After Obama was elected in his first term as president the then Prime Minister of Russia, Vladimir Putin gave a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland in January of 2009. Ignored by the West as usual, Putin gave insightful and helpful advice to help the world economy and saying the world should avoid the Soviet mistake.

Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them. He gives speeches of peace and love in the world while he promotes wars as he did in Egypt, Libya and Syria. He plans his next war is with Iran as he fires or demotes his generals who get in the way.

DOCTOR VISITS IN UK TO BE REPLACED BY SKYPE... Ah yes, the future of Obama Care.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#140 Nov 26, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Obama's Soviet Mistake
19.11.2012
By Xavier Lerma
Putin in 2009 outlined his strategy for economic success. Alas, poor Obama did the opposite but nevertheless was re-elected. Bye, bye Miss American Pie. The Communists have won in America with Obama but failed miserably in Russia with Zyuganov who only received 17% of the vote.
Vladimir Putin was re-elected as President keeping the NWO order out of Russia while America continues to repeat the Soviet mistake.
After Obama was elected in his first term as president the then Prime Minister of Russia, Vladimir Putin gave a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland in January of 2009. Ignored by the West as usual, Putin gave insightful and helpful advice to help the world economy and saying the world should avoid the Soviet mistake.
Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them. He gives speeches of peace and love in the world while he promotes wars as he did in Egypt, Libya and Syria. He plans his next war is with Iran as he fires or demotes his generals who get in the way.
DOCTOR VISITS IN UK TO BE REPLACED BY SKYPE... Ah yes, the future of Obama Care.
So both Obama and Putin gave their vision of how to achieve economic growth. Now the US is still doing better than Russia (which has been blacklisted by many investment firms) and you want to pretend that is an Obama failure?

Really?

Well, it is typical of your thought process.

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