The GOP's growing Libertarian problem

The GOP's growing Libertarian problem

There are 228 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 20, 2012, titled The GOP's growing Libertarian problem. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson took about 1 percent of the vote, winning more raw votes than any Libertarian candidate ever .

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au contraire

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

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#206 Dec 3, 2012
Don Joe wrote:
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And that is the big problem with the government. The people who work, and earn all that money are being robbed by the idle rich. The rich want more and more welfare in the form of special contracts to take money out of the treasury, cutting programs for workers and giving themselves more tax breaks. Now most don't pay any tax, yet they still get billions in welfare. Look at them crying about the poor guy who had his job shipped to China getting enough from the government to eat.
If you think it is the poor who are taking from the rich, why are they still poor, and the rich getting richer and richer all the time?
If you and your multiple personalities think the rich are idle, you are dumber than I thought. They are rich because they are not idle, work hard and improve themselves on a daily basis. You don't see them setting, watching the view and asking for more free candy.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#207 Dec 3, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>If you and your multiple personalities think the rich are idle, you are dumber than I thought. They are rich because they are not idle, work hard and improve themselves on a daily basis. You don't see them setting, watching the view and asking for more free candy.
Some are not idle and some are. Some are not idle and are not working either.

But the fact remains, current tax law favors them.

au contraire

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

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#208 Dec 3, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Some are not idle and some are. Some are not idle and are not working either.
But the fact remains, current tax law favors them.
True, this is not a game. It is an American Problem. Now if we only had someone to lead. Reagan did, can Obama?

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#209 Dec 3, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>True, this is not a game. It is an American Problem. Now if we only had someone to lead. Reagan did, can Obama?
He is leading, you just have to be willing to follow.

Some are strong leaders, bush was. It does not make them correct. Obama is correct, but is not a "strong" leader.

au contraire

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

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#210 Dec 3, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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He is leading, you just have to be willing to follow.
Some are strong leaders, bush was. It does not make them correct. Obama is correct, but is not a "strong" leader.
Demanding is not leading. What happened to his wanting to work together speech right after the election.

Since: Jul 12

Washington, DC

#211 Dec 3, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Demanding is not leading. What happened to his wanting to work together speech right after the election.
He wanted to work with them before. Offered a 4:1 deal they walked away. Subsequently they stated they would walk away from a 10:1 deal. Now he is is offering a 1:4 deal and forcing them to increase tax rates so that they will remember what a good deal is when it is offered.

In the long run this will help on future bargaining.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#213 Dec 4, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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He wanted to work with them before. Offered a 4:1 deal they walked away. Subsequently they stated they would walk away from a 10:1 deal. Now he is is offering a 1:4 deal and forcing them to increase tax rates so that they will remember what a good deal is when it is offered.
In the long run this will help on future bargaining.
House Speaker John Boehner said in a statement:


In a letter sent to President Obama today, House Republican leaders made a new offer to avert the fiscal cliff centered around a middle ground approach first presented to Congress last year by President Clinton’s former White House chief of staff, Erskine Bowles. The Bowles plan, presented in 2011 to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction, is consistent with the framework House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) proposed the day after the election: a balanced approach of significant spending cuts and new revenues from tax reform with fewer loopholes and lower tax rates. This is another attempt to jumpstart substantive, good faith negotiations toward a bipartisan solution that can be enacted soon, a stark contrast to the unserious proposal the White House put forward last week.

In a document obtained by Right Turn from House Republicans, the plans match up as follows:


President’s Deficit Reduction

Tax Rates Increases:$960B

Elimination of Deductions:$600B

Spending Cuts:$400B



New Stimulus/Other

Infrastructure Spending:-$95-425B

Payroll Tax Extension:-$110B

Unemployment Insurance:-$30B

Stimulus Tax Extenders:-$27B

Unpaid for SGR Patch:-$25B

Mortgage Plan: Unknown

Elimination of Debt Limit: N/A

NET SAVINGS:(At most)$1.673T



House Republican Counter

(Based on the Bowles Proposal to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction)

Deficit Reduction

Revenue through Tax Reform:$800B

Health Savings:$600B

Other Mandatory Savings:$300B

Revision to CPI:$200B

Further Discretionary Savings:$300B

NET SAVINGS:$2.2T

A House leadership aide told Right Turn that “the GOP offer includes more deficit reduction than the White House offer last week, which included hundreds of billions in new ‘stimulus’ spending. Our net deficit reduction is $2.2 trillion, but if we were to utilize White House schemes to count (1) previously-enacted Budget Control Act savings,(2) a war savings gimmick, and (3) further interest savings, our proposal would result in $4.6 trillion in deficit reduction savings, much more than theirs.”

So we have the potential for a deal that is somewhere between Bowles’s plan last year and the president’s plan. It is not, however, a matter of simply total savings. The Republicans have included far less revenue, as well as less revenue to be obtained through tax reform. The Democrats have yet to present a substantive offer that looks at systemic entitlement reform. The Republicans have shown that, contrary to the liberal-media meme, Boehner and not Grover Norquist controls the House.(And we expect this is not even the final GOP offer, leaving room for more revenue perhaps.)

We are far from a deal. We’re not close, but we are no longer “nowhere.” Your turn, Mr. President.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#214 Dec 4, 2012
just another guy wrote:
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Sure it favors them.
"In fact, IRS data show that the richest 1% paid $84 billion more in taxes in 2007 than they had in 2000 — that’s a 23% increase — even though their average tax rate went down.
What’s more, their share of the overall income tax burden grew, climbing from 37% in 2000 to 40% in 2007.
At the other end of the spectrum, the bottom half of taxpayers paid $6 billion less in income taxes in 2007 than they had seven years earlier — a 16% drop — and their share of the total income tax burden dropped from 3.9% to 2.9%."
What did their share if income do?

How much of that "income" tax was paid in the form of "Capital Gains" at 15%?

I pay 15.3% on 100% of my income just in SS and Medicare and then I pay income tax on top of that.

Romney paid about 14% total tax burden. What was his share of income? Compared to mine?

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#215 Dec 4, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>House Speaker John Boehner said in a statement:
In a letter sent to President Obama today, House Republican leaders made a new offer to avert the fiscal cliff centered around a middle ground approach first presented to Congress last year by President Clinton’s former White House chief of staff, Erskine Bowles. The Bowles plan, presented in 2011 to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction, is consistent with the framework House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) proposed the day after the election: a balanced approach of significant spending cuts and new revenues from tax reform with fewer loopholes and lower tax rates. This is another attempt to jumpstart substantive, good faith negotiations toward a bipartisan solution that can be enacted soon, a stark contrast to the unserious proposal the White House put forward last week.
In a document obtained by Right Turn from House Republicans, the plans match up as follows:
President’s Deficit Reduction
Tax Rates Increases:$960B
Elimination of Deductions:$600B
Spending Cuts:$400B
New Stimulus/Other
Infrastructure Spending:-$95-425B
Payroll Tax Extension:-$110B
Unemployment Insurance:-$30B
Stimulus Tax Extenders:-$27B
Unpaid for SGR Patch:-$25B
Mortgage Plan: Unknown
Elimination of Debt Limit: N/A
NET SAVINGS:(At most)$1.673T
House Republican Counter
(Based on the Bowles Proposal to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction)
Deficit Reduction
Revenue through Tax Reform:$800B
Health Savings:$600B
Other Mandatory Savings:$300B
Revision to CPI:$200B
Further Discretionary Savings:$300B
NET SAVINGS:$2.2T
A House leadership aide told Right Turn that “the GOP offer includes more deficit reduction than the White House offer last week, which included hundreds of billions in new ‘stimulus’ spending. Our net deficit reduction is $2.2 trillion, but if we were to utilize White House schemes to count (1) previously-enacted Budget Control Act savings,(2) a war savings gimmick, and (3) further interest savings, our proposal would result in $4.6 trillion in deficit reduction savings, much more than theirs.”
So we have the potential for a deal that is somewhere between Bowles’s plan last year and the president’s plan. It is not, however, a matter of simply total savings. The Republicans have included far less revenue, as well as less revenue to be obtained through tax reform. The Democrats have yet to present a substantive offer that looks at systemic entitlement reform. The Republicans have shown that, contrary to the liberal-media meme, Boehner and not Grover Norquist controls the House.(And we expect this is not even the final GOP offer, leaving room for more revenue perhaps.)
We are far from a deal. We’re not close, but we are no longer “nowhere.” Your turn, Mr. President.
FACT: Bowles came out and stated up front "The Republican proposal bears no resemblance to what I proposed."

And the rest of your post is just as accurate.

“Waytogo”

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#216 Dec 4, 2012
If the GOP would drop teher warmonger hate filled racist bigoted posistion and just focus on fiscal conservative stuff they would win every election.

“Waytogo”

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#219 Dec 4, 2012
just another guy wrote:
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They would not. I don't think they will ever win another election. The parasitic class has gotten to large to beat in an election. As long as the left keeps buying their votes we are doomed. What killed America? The obamaphone.
No...The GOP would win if they dropped there HATE THE GAYS HATE THE NON-WHITES HATE THE NON-CHRISTIANS BS.......... Whathas hurt the USA most is trickle down BS economis and union busting...WHO DID THAT???? Oh yea GOP..

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#220 Dec 4, 2012
just another guy wrote:
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I see. From each according to their means. Well that pretty well identifies what you are.
Hey, if you want to tax everyone in the United States an equal amount regardless of income just say so. What is that, about $60K for each man, woman and child? Or are you just interested in taxing adults of working age? Do you include those over 80 in your "working age?"

So which is it?

BTW: Taxing each and every person is a "flat" tax. You should like it.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#221 Dec 4, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
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No...The GOP would win if they dropped there HATE THE GAYS HATE THE NON-WHITES HATE THE NON-CHRISTIANS BS.......... Whathas hurt the USA most is trickle down BS economis and union busting...WHO DID THAT???? Oh yea GOP..
Gee, what if they just offered solutions to take the place of the ones they don't like?

au contraire

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#223 Dec 4, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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FACT: Bowles came out and stated up front "The Republican proposal bears no resemblance to what I proposed."
And the rest of your post is just as accurate.
He is a liberal, what do you expect him to say. The Bowles proposal is there to read and compare. Try it, you will like it.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#224 Dec 4, 2012
just another guy wrote:
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The best idea ever. 10% of your income.
Doesn't come close to paying the bills. But hey, if you want to keep running deficits that is fine with you.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#225 Dec 4, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>He is a liberal, what do you expect him to say. The Bowles proposal is there to read and compare. Try it, you will like it.
I am familiar with Bowles-Simpson, which is what I think you are really referring to.

It also called for rate increases in certain areas.

au contraire

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#226 Dec 4, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
If the GOP would drop teher warmonger hate filled racist bigoted posistion and just focus on fiscal conservative stuff they would win every election.
You boy Obama started the last five. What do you want to tell Mr. Obama? Surly someone worse than the republicans one war, Iraq, you have something to say about Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, Iran and Israel's fighting that is Obama's fault.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#227 Dec 4, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
If the GOP would drop teher warmonger hate filled racist bigoted posistion and just focus on fiscal conservative stuff they would win every election.
??? Why would anyone vote for republicans based on economic history. Their record on helping the economy has been dismal. Yes, they say they want smaller government, then proceed to enlarge the government vastly. They claim they want to make the economy better, then they institute trickle down, which creates a horrible economy for 90% of the population. They claim they want to do good things for us, then create the same situation that created the great depression in 1929, then they look to blame the democrats for what the republicans did.

No, it would make no sense to vote for the GOP for anything concerning our economy.

Since: Jul 12

Baltimore, MD

#229 Dec 4, 2012
just another guy wrote:
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Not this bloated monstrosity that is operating without authorization in many areas. Cut it back to what is allowed by the Constitution and we may be able to cut that figure.
What exactly has been found not have been allowed by the Constitution?

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#231 Dec 5, 2012
just another guy wrote:
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Can we start with obamacare? How about the department of education?
Start with Obamacare all you want. It has been in front of the Supreme Court.

The Department of Education? What makes you think it is not allowed? Particularly in light of private internet schools travelling across state lines to make a sale or to educate people?

We can play it any way you want PROVIDED that the rules you apply, apply to all government programs equally and not just those that you think personally should not exist.

As an example, if the federal government should not be dablling in Healthcare Insurance (Obamacare) how could you justify the FBI, ATF and other various federal law enforcement agencies?

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