The GOP's growing Libertarian problem

The GOP's growing Libertarian problem

There are 228 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 20, 2012, titled The GOP's growing Libertarian problem. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson took about 1 percent of the vote, winning more raw votes than any Libertarian candidate ever .

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pogue mahone

Holtsville, NY

#1 Nov 20, 2012
The GOP has more of a liberal problem. Liberalism is a growing mental disorder made manifest by the last election.
Eleanor

Vernon Hills, IL

#2 Nov 20, 2012
The pendulum swings back and forth.

As soon as the population doesn't think they are getting all they thought they could get, they'll side with another party.

Like with George Bush getting elected twice and then people didn't want that party anymore.

Back and forth; and back and forth.

Sometimes without any rhyme or reason.

au contraire

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#3 Nov 20, 2012
Ron Paul, Johnson and their followers all contributed to Obama's win, just as Ross Peroit did for Clinton. They can't win without divide and conquer.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#4 Nov 20, 2012
This is more of a protest vote against the religious extremists who've taken control of the GOP.

People may like the IDEA of libertarianism, but in practice it means giving up all the govt protections they've become dependent on- i.e. social security, medicare, police & fire protection, public education & roads & bridges, food safety, workplace safety, etc, etc.

The Libertarian party will always be just a fringe movement.
Billy Ringo

United States

#5 Nov 20, 2012
The Goofy Old Party has bigger problems than losing 1% to the Libertarians.

They have a problem with asians.
They have a problem with hispanics
They have a problem with single women
They have a problem with blacks.
They have a problem with college students
They have a problem with urban dwellers.

Palin/Bachmann - 2016 <---- mavericky !!!!

“"I'm A Great American!"”

Since: Sep 08

Obama Nation! USA! USA!

#6 Nov 20, 2012
Libertarian problem?

LOL!!! Maybe it's the Libertarians having a GOP problem, as they scrounge for votes and for voters among the right wingers...
responder

Columbus, OH

#7 Nov 20, 2012
What I'd LIKE to see is the two main parties cut down to size. I'd like to see them lose their ability to determine who's on the ballot and who gets to debate, to LOSE their abilities to gerrymander, and to see MASSIVE regulation of how much can be spent in campaigns - with public financing an option for everyone.

THEN we might see a Dem Party, a GOP, a Green Party, and Libertarian Party (for example) actually vying for votes in a fairer system. We might see compromise. We might see coalitions.

We might see some DEMOCRACY for a change...
responder

Columbus, OH

#8 Nov 20, 2012
au contraire wrote:
Ron Paul, Johnson and their followers all contributed to Obama's win, just as Ross Peroit did for Clinton. They can't win without divide and conquer.
Right, because Johnson's 1% of the vote somehow threw all those states from Mittens' column into Obama's, right!?? Especially given that EVERY SINGLE LIBERTARIAN would've voted GOP, right?

LOL!

And because 1% of the vote is just like 19% of the vote that Perot got in '92, RIGHT??

LOLOL!!

And because Nader didn't hurt Gore in 2000, especially in Florida, did he, RIGHT???

ROTFLMAO!!

PS - Ron Paul wsn't running for President in the general election, dope.
responder

Columbus, OH

#9 Nov 20, 2012
PooPoo Platter wrote:
Libertarian problem?
LOL!!! Maybe it's the Libertarians having a GOP problem, as they scrounge for votes and for voters among the right wingers...
I hear THAT. I'm sure they'd like to get rid of the wacko-Teabagger-religious Right crazies and be the new American Conservative party...:
responder

Columbus, OH

#10 Nov 20, 2012
pogue mahone wrote:
The GOP has more of a liberal problem. Liberalism is a growing mental disorder made manifest by the last election.
Translation:

'WAAA-AAAAAAAAAHHH, we LOSSSSSSST...'

LOL

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#11 Nov 20, 2012
If the GOP would drop there insane social issue BS and stop the wanting war after war. They would win every race. Most people want fiscal responsibility. The whole ban this and that hate this and that GOP religous side scares sane people.

“"I'm A Great American!"”

Since: Sep 08

Obama Nation! USA! USA!

#12 Nov 20, 2012
responder wrote:
<quoted text>
I hear THAT. I'm sure they'd like to get rid of the wacko-Teabagger-religious Right crazies and be the new American Conservative party...:
Problem is, without the wacko-religious right-teabagger vote, they are only the Libertarians.

Actually, that's always been their problem...
pogue mahone

Holtsville, NY

#13 Nov 20, 2012
Eleanor wrote:
The pendulum swings back and forth.
As soon as the population doesn't think they are getting all they thought they could get, they'll side with another party.
Like with George Bush getting elected twice and then people didn't want that party anymore.
Back and forth; and back and forth.
Sometimes without any rhyme or reason.
The pendulum swings back and forth alright. And for the next four years America will be in the pit.
Billy Ringo

United States

#14 Nov 20, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
If the GOP would drop there insane social issue BS and stop the wanting war after war. They would win every race. Most people want fiscal responsibility. The whole ban this and that hate this and that GOP religous side scares sane people.
Fiscal responsibility? It certainly was fiscally responsible to piss away 5 trillion dollars (and 2000 american lives) to look for non-existent, imaginary WMD's.

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#15 Nov 20, 2012
Billy Ringo wrote:
<quoted text>
Fiscal responsibility? It certainly was fiscally responsible to piss away 5 trillion dollars (and 2000 american lives) to look for non-existent, imaginary WMD's.
Yea I know it was not. Both the GOP and democrats over spend.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#16 Nov 20, 2012
Out of 15 posts there were two of note. One said that the majority want fiscal responsibility. That is true.

The other talked about the TEAP Party as if they were not (at least pretending to be for the most part) libertarian.

The Republicans problem is libertarianism. Their only answer to spending is to stop. They have no answer that involves increased taxation despite the fact that three significant tax cuts have taken place over the last 50 years: Kennedy's, Reagan's and bush's.

There simply is not a reason why we should not be able to increase taxes. The last time a significant tax increase took place it was under similar circumstances.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#17 Nov 20, 2012
au contraire wrote:
Ron Paul, Johnson and their followers all contributed to Obama's win, just as Ross Peroit did for Clinton. They can't win without divide and conquer.
So in other words, the Libertarian wing should just suck it up and voted for Romney?

Why? Because he was a Republican?

Well, I am a Libertarian and that ideal is actually the most repulsive idea I have ever heard of.

Vote for a lesser of 2 evils. Screw that. What about quality? What about having some self respect and personal dignity? Who in their right mind would sit there and say, "well.......even though Romney is horrible, he is a Republican, so we must toe the Republican line."

Let me ask you this. You got to car lot to buy a new car. There is a blue one and a red one. Both are lemons and have a ton of issues. Both would cost you more money. Which one do you buy?

Answer should be neither. And the reason is that no self respecting individual should be forced to purchase 1 of the 2 lemons. So you look somewhere else.

Its the same thing.

Such a repulsive comment and idea. vote for Romney because he is a Republican.

As being a Libertarian, in a way I am glad Obama won. Because we do not have to listen to the same bullshit we hear all the time. Well, give him a chance. Now maybe the people will begin to see more of what globalism is and what it does and see how both the Republicans and the Democrats are nothing more than globalist puppets to international special interests.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#18 Nov 20, 2012
pogue mahone wrote:
The GOP has more of a liberal problem. Liberalism is a growing mental disorder made manifest by the last election.
Do you even know what Libertarians stand for and the idea behind it?
Marchin

United States

#19 Nov 20, 2012
Those Libertarians will also begin to peel off votes from democrats, especially when Ron Paul begins his 'college speaking tours'.

It's interesting to note that the popular vote in this 2012 presidential election was

Obama 161+ million
Romney 158+ million

Electoral votes
Obama 303
Romney 206

compared to

2008 presidential election popular vote

Obama 166+ million
McCain 158+ million

Electoral votes
Obama 365
McCain 173

It's also interesting to note how the media and democrats, along with SOME republicans, continue to 'shame' past republican presidential candidates and their running mates and past republican presidents; compared to how the democrats laud their past candidates and presidents.

Wasserman Schultz (who is truly a gift to republicans-along with Nancy Pelosi) blasts republican minority candidates-females, blacks, latinos and then screams about republicans not being diverse.

One needs to take a look at the INDIVIDUAL STATES and the composition of each state's legislature and governorships

29 republican governors
20 democrat governors
1 independent governor

27 republican controlled state legislatures
19 democrat controlled state legislatures
3 split
1 non partisan

The 'big' media doesn't have the impact in individual states as it does in the national presidential election. Media can shape the opinions of americans with their constant blasting of negativity or just total refusal to cover stories.

2016 will not be a shoo-in for another democrat president.(Hillary will be 'too old' to garner enough votes -even with Obama campaigning for her and attempting jive up 'his' ground game)

and latinos will easily be peeled away from democrats as they have more in common with republican ideals.

Republicans have dug DOWN DEEP into states and that will bear fruit compared to democrat dominated(but admittedly big electoral) states.

There are warnings in FL and TX (big electoral votes!)-so republicans need to dig deep in those areas and find republican latino candidates to run for local political office, state political office-cuz there are mucho latinos whose ideals are in line with republicans rather than democrats.

Begin the work, prepare for 2016!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#20 Nov 20, 2012
The only reason the Republican Party has a "libertarian" problem is because establishment Republicans have for too long strayed from libertarian ideals.

Rather tha grudgingly accepting libertarian ideals, Republicans need to fully and wholeheartedly embrace them.

Problem solved.

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