Obama: Constitution stained by 'sin of slavery'

[Obama Ridin DIrty]

News Chick wrote:

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No. But it is a problem, particularly with this candidacy and election. It cannot be denied.
It was smart for him to address it.

How can he not know raciam exists. His pastor preached it every Sunday.

[News Chick]

Looking for the truth wrote:

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It didn't say except blacks and to have allowed slavery is the biggest piece of dirt in our history. But when you bring up more race issues and state the Constution that now gives you rights to all races and has always is stained is a attack on our fathers of this country. Things have change over time and people have learned from histoy, but if can't let go of this issue and blame the Constition now then in my view you beleive the Government is also attacked, because the Constition is our Gov't! That speech made me feel guilty for other peoples past sins that I had nothing to do with. I'm also have Black. He used our history to advance his campaighn and stepped on it! He is not Martin Luther KIng and he tried to play the part today! I was on the fence, but now I'm jumping away from a race candidacy! I will not be made to vote out of guilt! You can make you own choose, but that is mine!

A constitution that provided equality for all people?
Yeah, except BLACKS (back then).
To pretend this divide doesn't exist is naive and dillusional. And it's only been exacerbated throughout generations.
I find it hard to believe that you were ever 'on the fence' regarding your vote when you're so quick to jump on a man for talking the truth.
Perhaps his views are very similar to MLK? Does that make him ingenuine? No! No more than you driving the same kind of car as your neighbor, makes you a fake.
A lot of people believe the same things that Obama had the guts to bring up today. Does that mean we are all disingenuous?
We've all said the same things - around our dinner tables or in our hair salons - just like he said.
Does that mean we're fake?
I don't think there's a thing he could have said that would have appeased you. I'm not surprised by this, either, because I know there are many people who would not be satisfied with any candidate, if it were Jesus Himself running, they would stone him to death with egoistic doubt, fear and hate.

[Looking for the truth]

Buzz Flederjon wrote:

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So no vote and 3/5 representation for slaves is not a "stain"?
No one is more pro-Constitution than I am (I donate to the ACLU)- but that is a STAIN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_com...

You want imply the slavery states who wanted to count blacks as 3/5 of there population is slavery stain on the Constition today. I'm sorry but it was added in 1787 then after the Civil war it was changed.(Following the Civil War and the abolition of slavery by the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (1865), the three-fifths clause was rendered moot. Section 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (1868) later superseded Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3. It specifically states that "Representatives shall be apportioned ...counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed...") The Constition was fixed it originally had nothing to with slavery but winning the Presidential election using a numbers game. What about white women shouldn't they have a stain on the constition then for not counting for votes. You and Obama are using the past history of the Constitution and holding on to it when Obama speaks of CHANGE. THAT MEAN'S GET OVER HISTORY BUT LEARN FROM IT TO BETTER OUR SELVES, JUST LIKE OUR FATHERS OF THIS COUNTRY DID!! I guess he doesn't repesent CHANGE then!

[News Chick]

Obama Ridin DIrty wrote:

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How can he not know raciam exists. His pastor preached it every Sunday.

Where, pray tell, did I ever indicate he didn'tknow racism exists?
Quite the opposite. I think you misread my post(s)

[No_oil_4_u]

Obama is busy digging himself a hole while Hillary and McCain stand back and watch. It is very interesting to watch all in all

[Brittle Fingers]

Buzz Flederjon wrote:

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Nice speech - you dumass redneck.

Redneck? You're the one from Georgia and I'm the one from Ohio. Plus, you spelled "dumbass" incorrectly.

Other than that, good post, dude.....

[TN Vol]

Obama is like Spitzer in that he did not apologize until it was brought to light.

If a white candidate belonged to a church FOR 20 YEARS where the minister promoted an anti-black, anti-Semitic theology he would be roundly subject to criticism (assuming his candidacy would even be viable in the face of this background). Look what happened to Ferraro after her statement. Why should Obama get a pass?

[Southern Farmer]

jenny623 wrote:

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If you are truly what your name implies, looking for the truth, then tell me how slavery is justified in the Constitution. Its not. When our country's founders wrote the constitution, and added all men are created equal, they didn't say "all men are created equal, except blacks". All Americans are to be treated equally, regardless of skin color. Unfortunately, our nation's constitution said one thing, and the laws of each state did another. State laws allowed slavery, and the government allowed it. So the Constitution is only as strong as those who adhere to it. We are trying as a nation to move beyond our history, but civil rights is only about 40 years old. The memory is still fresh is a lot of people who are still living today.

When the constitution was written, no one in that era even remotely considered that the black man was a man. They were slaves and were considered no more than any other farm animal. If one got sick they called the vet. Even most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence had slaves. Today, most everyone will say how deplorable that was, but it was the way of times at that time. It wasn't new or something that came about with the new world. Slavery had existed throught the history of the world. This country was founded on the backs of slaves. To say that the constitution was stained is to ignore the very facts that gave us the constitution. We hear every day that it was our horrible ancesters that enslaved the black people and anybody that says anything negative about a black person is racist and bigoted. The old history books that were taught when I went to school showed pictures of the shipping cabins lining the shores of Africa where the Black tribal people brought their own sons, daughters, neices, nephews, cousins, and friends along with their neighbors to these cabins and sold them to the traders in the ships. Funny how History manages to be rewritten to accomadate current beliefs. Prime example (the sealing of the records of MLK, couldn't let anyone know the real facts about that man, Have to keep the dream alive). There is plenty of blame to go around, it wasn't just the whites.

[okimar]

Too bad he is as liberal as he is. If he were more centrist more middle of the road Republicans would/could vote for him.

The big problem is just how effective will he truely be if elected. He could very easily get the Carter treatment.

[News Chick]

Looking for the truth wrote:

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You want imply the slavery states who wanted to count blacks as 3/5 of there population is slavery stain on the Constition today. I'm sorry but it was added in 1787 then after the Civil war it was changed.(Following the Civil War and the abolition of slavery by the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (1865), the three-fifths clause was rendered moot. Section 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (1868) later superseded Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3. It specifically states that "Representatives shall be apportioned ...counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed...") The Constition was fixed it originally had nothing to with slavery but winning the Presidential election using a numbers game. What about white women shouldn't they have a stain on the constition then for not counting for votes. You and Obama are using the past history of the Constitution and holding on to it when Obama speaks of CHANGE. THAT MEAN'S GET OVER HISTORY BUT LEARN FROM IT TO BETTER OUR SELVES, JUST LIKE OUR FATHERS OF THIS COUNTRY DID!! I guess he doesn't repesent CHANGE then!

Nothing Obama could have said would have appeased you.
So far, everything you've suggested he "should have said," he DID say. You just didn't hear it.

[just had lunch]

Buzz Flederjon wrote:

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No, you're wrong.
He said he wasn't there for the "God damn America for killing innocent people" speech.
Which, btw, is a core Christian principal - not killing....
Still better than Falwell saying the US had 9/11 coming for allowing gays and abortions...

no, buzz, you're wrong ... in the sunday interview he DISTINCLY said "had i heard pastor wright say any of those controversial remarks, i WOULD have confronted him then and there" "no, i never heard him say anything like that"...

hey, i know you're all up his ass, and that's fine for you. i'm NOT stiriing up any mud, i'm just holding him accountable for what he said ... just like ALL the other candidates were, and are held accountable...nothing more, nothing less ...
it's your problem you think the guy walks on water...
i don't think ANY of them even come close.

[Screw Obama]

The speech was boring and dry. Plus he wasted 30 minutes of everyone's time while he and his advisors hashed out how to say it.

God D*** Obama 08 **==

He is clearly a psychopath in sheeps clothing.

[ERIC]

I THINK BARACK OBAMA WOULD BE PERFECT IN THE WHITEHOUSE. PRESIDENT MCCAIN WOULD NEED SOMEONE TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH, SWEEP AND MOP THE FLOORS AND WASH THE WINDOWS ALOSN CUT THE LAWN.

[Screw Obama]

Obama may can talk ... but he has no common sense.

[Brittle Fingers]

No_oil_4_u wrote:

Obama is busy digging himself a hole while Hillary and McCain stand back and watch. It is very interesting to watch all in all

It's also fun to watch.

McCain and Hillary gotta love this. I just hope it's enough to tilt the Super Delagates in Hillary's favor and end this thing on the Democrat side.

[TN Vol]

In his speech this morning, Obama said, "The anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races,"

This does not sound like someone who wants to UNITE. If Obama becomes President, he would only make a greater division between races mainly blacks vs everyone else. Wright has had a major influence on Obama's beliefs since he was a young man and continued for over 25 years. This is of significant importance when considering him as a choice for President.

[Looking for the truth]

News Chick wrote:

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Where, pray tell, did I ever indicate he didn'tknow racism exists?
Quite the opposite. I think you misread my post(s)

See hears the problem hard Obama supporters are like a cult no matter what happens with Obama they smell roses, instead of being open to new information. I know I went to 4 of his rallys a nd people looked like they were in a trance which bothered, but I let it go until the last month. I've to a Romney and a Clinton Rally people cheered but I didn't see passing out, crying, and praising during there rallies. If you don't open yourself up to other candidates all the time then what do you really know you oen candidate! I'm an Independent the issues matter to me not race, I started questioning him most when his ideas were very simiar to Clinton who has had his ideas available twice as long as him! I'm up in the air Clinton or Mccain thee veted and I know were they stand, instead of hoping fo Obama! I thought he could Change my mind, I was wrong about Obama!

[Screw Obama]

Michelle Obama ... "For the first time in my entire life, I am proud of America."

Sounds like her church, eh?

[Blackbwoy]

News Chick wrote:

Unprecedented.
I could not in my wildest dreams, in all my journalistic education and writing experience ever have been able to envision a politician delivering such an incredible speech on such a controversial issue as racism, so eloquently and with such passion and integrity that it would seem tangible.
Great job Sen. Obama

the main thing i got out of that speech was barak saying...look, slavery happened, jim crow happened and yes there are angry blacks and now angry whites as well, but what you gonna do...keep the status quo, fearing blacks latinos, blaming the white man for the ills of life...or are we going to come together as "americans ", and get some thing done.

profound. i think he gave america an ultimatum. if you dont elect me, you will be getting the same thing year after year. pretty audacious. then again, its barak obama.

[Buzz Flederjon]

okimar wrote:

Too bad he is as liberal as he is. If he were more centrist more middle of the road Republicans would/could vote for him.
The big problem is just how effective will he truely be if elected. He could very easily get the Carter treatment.

"Liberal" has no specific meaning anymore.

I suppose you mean one of these things -

pro-choice
anti-war
pro national healthcare
pro science
for public schools (no vouchers)
anti federal deficit

That's what Fox News considers "liberal" and over 60% of all Americans support EACH one of these positions.

btw - I don't support national healthcare but will take it to get out of this insane war.