Cherokee, Lumbee argue over recogniti...

Cherokee, Lumbee argue over recognition bill

There are 992 comments on the Myrtle Beach Online story from Apr 19, 2007, titled Cherokee, Lumbee argue over recognition bill. In it, Myrtle Beach Online reports that:

American Indians from either side of North Carolina traveled to Washington on Wednesday to argue about whether one tribe's quest for legitimacy would harm another's proud heritage.

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Suntrust

Gallatin, TN

#871 Dec 23, 2012
There is no money from any government coming to me and never has come to me.
I don't accept money, I accept history and what I know to be truth! The truth is not anything written here by Steve. The truth has been oral and written, whether you know it or not...it's there!

I have a tidbit of truth for you in regards to one of the above statements. The Indian women often were forced to marry whites so that they could keep tabs on the lying, cheating ones who we're just using the Indians for their own gain. Now, that is a piece
of truth! If it weren't for Steve's and others like him, we Indians would be a lot better off today! Still claiming, stealing, lying through those proud lips about how wonderful they are but in reality, just scoundrels from the word go! Why don't you fakes from a long time ago just stay out of real Indians' business and we will be a whole lot better off!
You are and always have been THEPROBLEM!
Steved

San Antonio, TX

#872 Dec 23, 2012
There have been recent attempts for the Lumbees to obtain full recognition by an act of Congress. However,

Their only evidence of descent from a known historic tribe is oral tradition,

and there is extensive, published genealogical evidence that proves they primarily are descended from free African-American landowners and slaves that migrated to Robeson County along the same routes and methods as all other colonial settlers dating back to the colonial era.

While people have every right to re-define themselves as Indians, if they want to obtain the benefits that come from full federal recogntion and acknowledgement,

they need to prove descent from an historic tribe that has had a treaty relationship with the United States."

views Dubious Descent more
by David Cohen
This is the title page and table of contents of a draft of a book about federal recognition and tribes that only have an oral tradition of descent from an historic Indian tribe SUCH AS THE LUMBEE.
Steved

San Antonio, TX

#873 Dec 23, 2012
The Mulungeons another group related too and similar biracial isolate group recently did a DNA study of core Mulungeon DNA and familys and just as stated the DNA test show no native American DNA and does show that they actually descended from African males and European females just as the records as mulatto has stated and their genealogys the reason there was no historical Indian connection same as the lumbee genealogies is obvious they are of Black and White oruigin not any mysterious or lost Indian tribes as the myths ran.

Myth disproven by DNA the Lumbee fear DNA test will and have revealed the same afro european results.Not an Indian nation
duyukdv

San Antonio, TX

#874 Dec 24, 2012
Now a DNA study in the Journal of Genetic Genealogy attempts to separate truth from oral tradition and wishful thinking.

The study found the truth to be somewhat less exotic:

Genetic evidence shows that the families historically called Melungeons(same as lumbee) are the offspring of sub-Saharan African men and white women of northern or central European origin.(Mulatto)

Lumbees can learn from their wishful thinking also ! Proof Demarce and heinegg were CORRECT

the male descendants tested (who happened to come from three surname groups) had Y-DNA that was African: the haplogroups E1b1a and A. Other male descendants had Y-DNA from the European haplogroups R1b1b2 and R1a1a, which are present in northern Europe, including Spain and Portugal. Colonial settlers during the period were primarily from England slaves or workers who were of Iberian/African ancestry: men who had African mothers and Portuguese fathers and were born at the slave ports in Africa. They were part of the Atlantic Creole generation, as described by the historian Ira Berlin. The Portuguese left the slave trade in the sixteenth century, Eight lines were found to be of African ancestry, and 12 were European. This multiracial ancestry is consistent with the late-20th century findings of Paul Heinegg [2] and Dr. Virginia DeMarce, based on their historical research of ancestors of families of color listed in the 1790-1810 censuses for Virginia, North Carolina and South Carolina.

DNA MULUNGEON FINDING CONSISTANT WITH THE GENEALOGY WORK OF HEINEGG AND DEMARCE,THEY WERE CORRECT IN THE AFRICAN EUROPEAN ORIGINS VERIFIED BY THE DNA TEST DONE ON MULUNGEON DNA PROJECT PUBLICIZED.
Melungeon Truths

Ransom, KY

#875 Dec 28, 2012
we petition the obama administration to:
Create a Commission and Census For Non-Federally Recognized Native American Indian peoples and communities.

Creating a Commission and a Census for Non-Federally Recognized Native American Indian Peoples, Communities and Individuals will help to ascertain just how unjust the BIA system is in the recognition process. It will also give the government a better idea of how many Native American Indian people are in the United States without services and treaty rights, how many communities and individuals are not represented, and lack of protections of Non-Federally Recognized Native American Indian Peoples, Communities and Individuals.
Created: Dec 24, 2012
Issues: Civil Rights and Liberties, Family, Human Rights

Signatures needed by January 23, 2013

If we get 25,000 people to sign this then Obama MUST address issues with non-federally recognized tribes, including the LUMBEE...this is a OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE PETITION!!! ALL LUMBEE SPREAD WORD ON THIS ASAP. It only takes a few quick clicks to get your signature.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cre...
STEVEDUYUKDV

San Antonio, TX

#876 Dec 28, 2012
Now a DNA study in the Journal of Genetic Genealogy attempts to separate truth from oral tradition and wishful thinking.

The study found the truth to be somewhat less exotic:

Genetic evidence shows that the families historically called Melungeons(same as lumbee) are the offspring of sub-Saharan African men and white women of northern or central European origin.(Mulatto)

Lumbees can learn from their wishful thinking also !

Proof Demarce and heinegg were CORRECT LUMBEES ARE AFRICAN AND EUROPEAN SAME AND NEVER HAD ANY INDIAN CULTURE TO SPEAK OF,NO INDIAN LANGUAGE THIS EXPLAINS THAT !!

Lumbees have no standing as Indians
Suntrust

Gallatin, TN

#877 Jan 7, 2013
I can trace my ancestry. No problem. You can put x over my comments, but the truth is I have documentation, history to back it and DNA. Too bad, you lose! I'm a real Indian, so go blow your horn someplace else!
steved

San Antonio, TX

#878 Jan 9, 2013
There have been recent attempts for the Lumbees to obtain full recognition by an act of Congress. However,

Their only evidence of descent from a known historic tribe is oral tradition,

and there is extensive, published genealogical evidence that proves they primarily are descended from free African-American landowners and slaves that migrated to Robeson County along the same routes and methods as all other colonial settlers dating back to the colonial era.

While people have every right to re-define themselves as Indians, if they want to obtain the benefits that come from full federal recogntion and acknowledgement,

they need to prove descent from an historic tribe that has had a treaty relationship with the United States."

views Dubious Descent more
by David Cohen
This is the title page and table of contents of a draft of a book about federal recognition and tribes that only have an oral tradition of descent from an historic Indian tribe SUCH AS THE LUMBEE.
Lumbee pride

Charlotte, NC

#879 Jan 13, 2013
tOOPATOYA wrote:
who cares what you people think all of your WHITE GIRLS is dateing and marrying blacks,i know a lot of indian woman are to but not like those WHITE chicken head,WHITE GIRLS got rid of the WHITE BOYS and found themself a black boy or a red boy (INDIAN)....because WHITE boy to busy loving and dateing other WHITE BOYS hehehe to bad because we Lumbee are sleeping with WHITE girls everynight,so go ahead think what you want to about the lumbee people we have you WHITE HOE'S and they like us LUMBEE little redmen with GREAT BIG TOTEUM POLE.LUMBEE Nation a NATION OF MIGHTY WORRIORS
LOVE IT :)
steveduyukdv

San Antonio, TX

#880 Jan 15, 2013
FACTSFINDER SAYS lumbee is a fantasy invented indian tribe

BUT THE LUMBEE HAVE NO INDIAN CULTURE

,NO INDIAN HISTORY,

NO INDIAN LANGUAGE OR CUSTOMS

,NO INDIAN NAMES OR EVEN PLACE NAMES AND

NO RESERVATION AND

NO TREATYS, ADDED WITH

NO TRUE GENEALOGY CONNECTION TO ANY HISTORICAL INDIAN TRIBE AND THEY HAVE CHANGED NAMES IDENTITY ATLEAST 6 TIMES ADDED WITH

NO INDIAN DNA AND EXTREME MIXING WITH OTHERS REALLY

DOES NOT EQUATE TO A TRIBE CONSIDERED A SOVEREIGN INDIAN NATION FUNDED BY THE US AND TAX DOLLARS

AFTER ALL WHAT DAMAGE HAVE WE REALLY DONE TO THEM AS INDIANS SINCE THEY WERE NEVER REALLY EVEN CONSIDERED AS INDIANS?

DIDNT THEY JUST LIVE AS REGULAR COLONIAL CITIZENS SAME AS EVERYONE ELSES ANCESTORS AS MULATTOS IN TOWNS PAYING TAXES AS CITIZENS OF THEIR STATE?
Guy who is a lumbee

Akron, OH

#881 Jan 26, 2013
BOBBY J LOCKLEAR wrote:
<quoted text>
IF WE REALLY LOOK CLOSELY, IT APPEARS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THE FEDERAL HANDOUT BECAUSE OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN BLOOD. WHAT ABOUT THE EUROPEAN-AMERICAN BLOOD? WHAT ABOUT A TRIBAL CERTIFIED FULL-BLOOD? I HAPPEN TO BE CERTIFIED FULL-BLOOD. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT WHY I SHOULD NOT RECIEVE THE MONEY? PERHAPS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO RECONSIDER YOUR POSITION...I DON'T HAVE OBJECTIONS TO YOUR OPINIONS, HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A DISLIKE FOR THE RACIAL OVERTONES BEING PRESENTED BY 'SO CALLED' KKK MEMBER HIDING IN THE CLOSET. YOU MIGHT WANT TO RECONSIDER HOW YOU APPEAR WITH YOUR OPINIONS...MAYBE,JUST LIKE YOUR FOREFATHERS HIDING BEHIND WHITE SHEETS TO COVER UP THEIR UGLY HATEFUL FACES...I'M A LUMBEE...WHO ARE YOU THE TAX COLLECTOR?
I may not be full blood, but my Dad's side of the family is... I know some of my relatives from way back when, because my aunt made a family tree. i am not certified yet due to the fact that i live so far from the tribe and that im too young to drive yet. However we should be certified... according to my grand parents (the full blood ones) i have the 'so called' native american gene... I have brown eyes, black hair, and im not white, more of a tannish color. i need DNA test but maybe when im 20 or so so i can drive down there myself...
Steved

San Antonio, TX

#882 Jan 27, 2013
face the facts the lumbee do not not even native american DNA so dont try to play pity and excuses and side track the truth with talk of racism ,you lumbee have no indian language no treatys no indian culture or customs just pure wannabees and most of all no indian heritage or DNA ,this tribe was invented by political lobbying!!

Now a DNA study in the Journal of Genetic Genealogy attempts to separate truth from oral tradition and wishful thinking.

The study found the truth to be somewhat less exotic:

Genetic evidence shows that the families historically called Melungeons(same as lumbee) are the offspring of sub-Saharan African men and white women of northern or central European origin.(Mulatto)

Lumbees can learn from their wishful thinking also ! Proof Demarce and heinegg were CORRECT
Steved

San Antonio, TX

#883 Jan 27, 2013
dna test can be done in the mail with a cheek swab and cost under a hundred bucks there is no need to drive anywhere,so stop making excuses swab your cheek and mail it in to a DNA test site ,simple.

native DNA is A,B,C,D AND SOME X BUT HAS TO ACCOMPANY GENEALOGY TO CONNECT TO A TRIBE IN THE USA AS THOSE CAN BE EAST ASIAN(MONGOLIAN) ALSO EXAMPLE CHINESE,JAPANESE....

LUMBEE ARE R1 AND L3 AFRICAN HAPLOTYPES NOT NATIVES AT ALL.
CroatanLumbee

Chesapeake, OH

#884 Jan 29, 2013
I will gladly put my DNA analysis up against anyone that says I am not Native!!
CroatanLumbee

Chesapeake, OH

#885 Jan 29, 2013
Steved is a hater. He hates the fact that he is vanilla. Poor pathetic steved and his copy and paste rationality....
SteveD

San Antonio, TX

#886 Jan 30, 2013
The Limits of Advocacy: The Case of the Lumbee Indiansmore
by David Cohen

Lumbee Dubious Descent

http://www.academia.edu/2008598/The_Limits_of...
Jesse Walker

San Antonio, TX

#887 Jan 31, 2013
The taxpayers dont wanna fund another want to be made up tribe even if they sterted their Lie 100 years ago or today !! sorry Lumbee support your own dreams.
duyukdv

San Antonio, TX

#888 Feb 11, 2013
On February 15, 1922, Henderson wrote about the Lumbee:
In the strictest sense of the word I would not class the Croatan [Lumbee] as Indians. They do not have a reservation. Unlike real Indians they acquire all the land possible and sell very little. They work well and have fairly good homes; as good as I might say as the whites of like station in life. They are neither whites nor Indians. The whites will not associate with them as equals. The state of North Carolina provides schools for them separate from the whites. At the last session of the N. C. Legislature $15,000 was appropriated for their normal and industrial school at Pembroke. It is thought that the Lost Colony [of Sir Walter Raleigh] of Roanoke went to these people as they have a great many characsteristics that are purely English. Living at or on the rivers near the coast escaped pirates, many of whom were Portuguese, joined the colony and no doubt many runnaway [sic] negroes. You will see, therefore, that they are evidently an amalgamation of a number of races. These people will have nothing to do with the Southern negroes. They call themselves Cherokee but in reality have no Cherokee blood or no other realistic tribal origin.
Duyukdv

San Antonio, TX

#889 Feb 14, 2013
PEMBROKE, NC (WWAY)-- The Lumbee Indians want to get into the gambling business. Three members of the tribal council signed a contract with a Nevada-based law firm, to represent the tribe in its bid for federal recognition.
The contract of 2010 said the firm will pursue a bill that would give the Lumbees the option to gamble.
The recognition bill now in the US Senate prohibits the tribe from getting into the gambling business the lumbee have claimed to not want gambling but trying hard to fool the public of course they want a casino thats why they hired that casino firm.
SDuyukdv

San Antonio, TX

#890 Feb 18, 2013
RRWright well said...,
I guess it would be politically incorrect to suggest that most of the psuedo-remnants of tribes are engaging in opprotunistic–sometimes predatory–
behavior,
knowing that most people are afraid to call them out !
These slick-willy invented by lobbying “Indians” need to get over themselves and find another way to advance, rather than hi-jacking so one elses heritage as Indians of some lost or extinct group of people by DNA who are all african and european overwhelmingly and try to cling to some tenious claim to some small minute ancestry of an oral myth.
“Invention, passes over recovered history and resorts to the “embellishment” of the past,” which “influences inscriptions and chronicles, monographs and textbooks,
and all the other media used to project an image and present a case” Invention the mother of all False histories…existance of Lumbee heritage the Big long held Lie
Historically there was never a Lumbee tribe ..or Croatan or Cherokee of Robeson County,
Does a historical “invention” contrast with historical fact?
media used to project an image and present a case!
after a while the inventors or those whom had it passed down to them …themselves cannot separate Lies from the truth or maybe they are ashamed to do so after holding a claim so long..
we the public have caught on to this long held Lie ,computer links genealogies and DNA dont lie..none of which lumbee have as Indians.
The Lumbee Con job has gone as far as it can go in the publics eyes and pocketbooks be proud to be what you are Mulattos and not the lost colony of roanoke or extinct cheraw!

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