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Gloria Darlene Linch, Red Bluff: SmartMeters

There are 34 comments on the Red Bluff Daily News story from Feb 15, 2011, titled Gloria Darlene Linch, Red Bluff: SmartMeters. In it, Red Bluff Daily News reports that:

Editor: I received a letter from PG&E last week informing me I was on their installation list for the new and much talked about SmartMeter.

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Since: Dec 10

United States

#23 Feb 16, 2011
Don Polson wrote:
I read her statement of "constitution of civil rights" being violated by a take-this-or-have-electricity- shut-off mandate. Utility may well have right to change their owned equipment, but they may not have right to shut off usage when bills are current. For the 4th amendment folks, what questions are raised over the idea that, ultimately, Smart Meters are intended to read and record each individual electrical device's usage in your home? Not a problem to me but... Once they have that info, what other things might they do with it. Do people implicitly trust PG&E with marketable data? Or, would anyone consider that the meter could, like any device, be capable of hacking. Why, I don't know, but does it concern people justifiably? Would higher rates or appliance shutdowns by remote control be voluntary? At first? Are people prepared to have to forgo media viewing in prime time if there's an energy shortage? Or an energy shortage because PG&E invested in wind or solar that are incapable of generating peak or spike electricity? I do find the apparent acceptance with blind faith, by folks that ordinarily mistrust corporations and government, to be curious.
There's absolutely no 4th Amendment implication because there's no government action (PGE isn't the government). PGE can do as they please with that info absent any violation of another law/right or actions taken adversely to the customer's consent. And if a customer signs a contract (hence, giving up certain freedoms in order to obtain power), any breach of that contract by a customer will be met accordingly by the remedy sought by PGE. This is the capitalism you so avidly and blindly defend in your columns. Your post is somewhat baffling to me, not to mind a bit off the mark.

This whole issue is a mountain out of a molehill to me given the state of the union. Query, do the Smartmeter opposition folks also disapprove of the placing of cameras throughout metro areas? Or better yet, the Patriot Act?

Still, private action and government action aren't the same thing.

Since: Dec 10

United States

#24 Feb 16, 2011
Don Polson wrote:
I read her statement of "constitution of civil rights" being violated by a take-this-or-have-electricity- shut-off mandate. Utility may well have right to change their owned equipment, but they may not have right to shut off usage when bills are current. For the 4th amendment folks, what questions are raised over the idea that, ultimately, Smart Meters are intended to read and record each individual electrical device's usage in your home? Not a problem to me but... Once they have that info, what other things might they do with it. Do people implicitly trust PG&E with marketable data? Or, would anyone consider that the meter could, like any device, be capable of hacking. Why, I don't know, but does it concern people justifiably? Would higher rates or appliance shutdowns by remote control be voluntary? At first? Are people prepared to have to forgo media viewing in prime time if there's an energy shortage? Or an energy shortage because PG&E invested in wind or solar that are incapable of generating peak or spike electricity? I do find the apparent acceptance with blind faith, by folks that ordinarily mistrust corporations and government, to be curious.
In addition, your entire post is "curious." Every single customer receives notice that their "data" will be shared with "X." THESE ARE THE SAME CORPORATIONS YOU BEND OVER FOR EVERY COLUMN. My caps are yelling - I really cannot understand your post. And the backhanded remark toward alternative energy really burns me - keep reading and citing to your tinfoil hat websites, but as long as the US ignores the potential to get off the tit of MIDDLE EAST OIL, we'll continue to be slaves to Middle East politics - and I'm sure you're aware, they aren't the most stable of folks...ahh, but that's where the military industrial complex steps in...

The post really baffled me because of your myriad previous statements that are exactly in line with what is transpiring in the smart meter scenario. It's perplexing because 1) the incorrect Constitutional issues cited; and 2) when a person consents to an agreement with a corporation, they are bound the terms and conditions - yet on this issue, you eschew such legal formalities.

Maybe it was the Cuervo, b/c I've been known to have a few too many single malts and ramble on - but if you've turned a corner, let's put the pedal to the metal and burn all sides equally - I'll buy the gas.
I wonder

Chico, CA

#25 Feb 16, 2011
Hoof Hearted wrote:
How did this topic go to time-of-use rates all of a sudden? Did I miss a public announcement by PGE or a letter in my bill stating we're switching over to time-of-use billing instead of the tiered-rates billing?
If I didn't miss it, then lets stop with all this extra noise and focus on what's at hand. Smart Meters.
From PG&E website:
"In the future, SmartMeterô technology will allow PG&E to create more options in pricing plans where energy is billed at different prices during different times of the day. With more options, you will be able to choose a rate plan that helps your household save money and benefit the environment."
Don Polson

Anderson, CA

#26 Feb 16, 2011
Don Polson wrote:
I read her statement of "constitution of civil rights" being violated by a take-this-or-have-electricity- shut-off mandate. Utility may well have right to change their owned equipment, but they may not have right to shut off usage when bills are current. For the 4th amendment folks, what questions are raised over the idea that, ultimately, Smart Meters are intended to read and record each individual electrical device's usage in your home? Not a problem to me but... Once they have that info, what other things might they do with it. Do people implicitly trust PG&E with marketable data? Or, would anyone consider that the meter could, like any device, be capable of hacking. Why, I don't know, but does it concern people justifiably? Would higher rates or appliance shutdowns by remote control be voluntary? At first? Are people prepared to have to forgo media viewing in prime time if there's an energy shortage? Or an energy shortage because PG&E invested in wind or solar that are incapable of generating peak or spike electricity? I do find the apparent acceptance with blind faith, by folks that ordinarily mistrust corporations and government, to be curious.
Aside from the predictable, burrhp, snark from a critic, I'll give my, and my critic"s, apparent answers. We both seem to have no problem with monitering. We both seem to have no problem with PG&E knowing appliance usage; I don't see any statement of intention to share it with 3rd parties, don't see how it could be detrimental for the info to be hacked (sparing the swingers, whom I've never met, whose "appliances" might be, uhh, known about embarassingly). BTW, since the usage data is not available in real time to owner, the info is of less use than currently available technology I've seen on "This Old House."

I've read analysis of folks who've voluntarily participated in "brown out" type of programs who have mostly had ok experiences. I won't ever do that--critic may be ok with giving PG&E the option to turn down AC or not. I object to "time of use" rates being imposed due to my perspective that I value my convenience and am willing to pay for greater volumes of electric usage but not the carrot/stick from PG&E.

Critic apparently is ok with "clean/green" sources as expensive providers of unreliable energy; I am not for various reasons. At very least, they need equal addition of more nat'l gas/nuclear for as-needed energy.

To conclude (better things to do) I can chose to do business or not with any corporation, aquire or not any shopping card or discount in exchange for them knowing about my shopping and accept cookie tracking as part of internet. Potential PG&E disclosure of my usage info is not acceptable to me, apparently is to my critic.(Who knows what they will do or if it will ever bother me in reality) I have never bought into the critics of Patriot Act which undoubtedly will now engender all manner of insult. However, I just don't find it a personal threat or imposition. Others do and we just disagree, hopefully without the reprehensible demonization that seems to accompany simple differences of opinion. Cheers and best wishes.

Since: Dec 10

United States

#27 Feb 16, 2011
Don Polson wrote:
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Aside from the predictable, burrhp, snark from a critic, I'll give my, and my critic"s, apparent answers. We both seem to have no problem with monitering. We both seem to have no problem with PG&E knowing appliance usage; I don't see any statement of intention to share it with 3rd parties, don't see how it could be detrimental for the info to be hacked (sparing the swingers, whom I've never met, whose "appliances" might be, uhh, known about embarassingly). BTW, since the usage data is not available in real time to owner, the info is of less use than currently available technology I've seen on "This Old House."
I've read analysis of folks who've voluntarily participated in "brown out" type of programs who have mostly had ok experiences. I won't ever do that--critic may be ok with giving PG&E the option to turn down AC or not. I object to "time of use" rates being imposed due to my perspective that I value my convenience and am willing to pay for greater volumes of electric usage but not the carrot/stick from PG&E.
Critic apparently is ok with "clean/green" sources as expensive providers of unreliable energy; I am not for various reasons. At very least, they need equal addition of more nat'l gas/nuclear for as-needed energy.
To conclude (better things to do) I can chose to do business or not with any corporation, aquire or not any shopping card or discount in exchange for them knowing about my shopping and accept cookie tracking as part of internet. Potential PG&E disclosure of my usage info is not acceptable to me, apparently is to my critic.(Who knows what they will do or if it will ever bother me in reality) I have never bought into the critics of Patriot Act which undoubtedly will now engender all manner of insult. However, I just don't find it a personal threat or imposition. Others do and we just disagree, hopefully without the reprehensible demonization that seems to accompany simple differences of opinion. Cheers and best wishes.
First, we disagree, yet it's not personal...we still reach agreement on many issues.

And I have a problem with government monitoring - obviously, without a warrant under the guise of some "emergency" act. Private companies always monitor and it's a bargained for fact in our society.

Brown outs suck - as a sufferer of the Enron induced '02-'03 rolling blackouts in the bay area, it was devastating for business and I suffered because of it. Thank you, Enron.

Alt. Energy is in its infancy - relatively speaking - it needs to be given time like any other new innovation that is initially frowned upon - for example, horse breeders hated locomotives...

Also, private companies are required to provide notice and opt-out provisions for disclosure of information - if this wasn't provided then go after them.
Don Polson

Anderson, CA

#28 Feb 16, 2011
Lush Rimbaugh wrote:
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First, we disagree, yet it's not personal...we still reach agreement on many issues.
And I have a problem with government monitoring - obviously, without a warrant under the guise of some "emergency" act. Private companies always monitor and it's a bargained for fact in our society.
Brown outs suck - as a sufferer of the Enron induced '02-'03 rolling blackouts in the bay area, it was devastating for business and I suffered because of it. Thank you, Enron.
Alt. Energy is in its infancy - relatively speaking - it needs to be given time like any other new innovation that is initially frowned upon - for example, horse breeders hated locomotives...
Also, private companies are required to provide notice and opt-out provisions for disclosure of information - if this wasn't provided then go after them.
Ok, thanks. I go ski.

Since: Dec 10

United States

#29 Feb 16, 2011
Don Polson wrote:
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Ok, thanks. I go ski.
Cheers, enjoy the powder that this storm should drop - I'm lifting a single malt. 1) Where are you skiing, in Oregon?(I'm Tahoe bound this weekend); 2) Do you think So. Oregon is better than Tahoe (snow quality only)?
Don Polson

Anderson, CA

#30 Feb 16, 2011
Lush Rimbaugh wrote:
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Cheers, enjoy the powder that this storm should drop - I'm lifting a single malt. 1) Where are you skiing, in Oregon?(I'm Tahoe bound this weekend); 2) Do you think So. Oregon is better than Tahoe (snow quality only)?
Oh, Lush, no comparison. If you have ever been to Mt. Bachelor, you would know from your skis to your nose (when the packed or fresh power is so fine it wafts into clouds behind whoever is in front of you). We have almost 40 days there--Barb is number 12 or so for all women in total vertical. The reason they have such conditions, however, is due to a lot of storms and a lot of wind at times. The people, also, are so much more friendly than Tahoe. Our favorite there is Mt Rose for elevation and power. Do ski hard; wear the legs out. Our best so far is almost 100,000 vertical in 4 days; almost 30,000 in one day. Sorry, I digress. It's our life for six months a year.

Since: Dec 10

United States

#31 Feb 16, 2011
Bachelor is brilliant and we love it. Enjoy. Good call on the snow there. The big lake in front of me is an awesome draw, though.
Same Stuff Different Day

Paradise, CA

#32 Feb 17, 2011
Its a good thing wrote:
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If a person's bills have increased from this then it is because it is a new and accurate measurement of power usage as opposed to the old outdated metering system so deal with it and learn to use power wisely. I think it will be great and give the customers more information on their usage habits. You will now be able to track not only how much you use, but WHEN you use it and maybe now people will quit wasting power, especially during peak times.
We will see. Hope it's better for you. I live in a 4 bedroom house and my bill runs 65.00 a month. I think I do pretty good at conserving my PG&E my self.
aslee

Chico, CA

#33 Feb 22, 2011
rpmazzucchi wrote:
<quoted text>I speak from my training and experience as a retired research engineer and energy management analyst for Seattle City Light and a present customer of PG&E. All the information I have provided is factual based upon reliable sources and public records. If you have legitimate concerns they are properly taken to the CPUC rather than used to raise specious concerns to the poorly informed.
As regulated entities, PG&E and other utilities are managed to prudently and efficiently serve their customers. They earn profits by effeciently serving their customers, not by defrauding them and subjecting them to harm as you and other meter bleaters suggest.
letting people die in a gas explosion is not subjecting people to harm?
Taking the money that was to be used to fix this gas line problem and spending it on big wig bonuses is not bad?
Spending 30 minutes on hold to be connected to god knows who in india is "efficiently" serving customers.
Last time I checked there were millions of americans on unemployment who could do this job!
Telling people it's their way or the highway (WHEN THEY PAY THEIR BILLS LIKE GOOD CUSTOMERS) AND THRUSTING FAMILIES INTO THE DARK AGES IF THEY DO NOT WANT TO EXPOSE THEIR CHILDREN TO RADIATION THAT THESE EMIT IS NOT OKAY
Tehama County Reader

Chico, CA

#34 Feb 22, 2011
I see in Todays DAILY NEWS that PG&E is going to hold a meeting in their Red Bluff office on smart meters. They want you to come by yourself and talk to a so called expert. I know just what that expert is going to say.

HAVE NO FEAR SHEEPLE SMART METERS ARE SAFE.

Why is PG&E afraid to have a public meeting and answer questions in public.
dave linnet

United States

#35 Feb 23, 2011
i got mine yesterday, and I'm ok, I'm ok, I'm ok
Jeanne S

Firebaugh, CA

#36 Sep 26, 2011
Its a good thing wrote:
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If a person's bills have increased from this then it is because it is a new and accurate measurement of power usage as opposed to the old outdated metering system so deal with it and learn to use power wisely. I think it will be great and give the customers more information on their usage habits. You will now be able to track not only how much you use, but WHEN you use it and maybe now people will quit wasting power, especially during peak times.
This is not true either. We were away on a cross country trip for 5 wks. I have been keeping track..Our PGE bill was exactly double from the month before when we were home. Can anyone explain that?? The bottom line is if you complain to PGE it does you absolutely no good. They can bill you for what ever and you have to pay.

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