Letter: Keep hands off Social Security

Letter: Keep hands off Social Security

There are 23 comments on the Chico Enterprise-Record story from Sep 29, 2010, titled Letter: Keep hands off Social Security. In it, Chico Enterprise-Record reports that:

It's disappointing to realize there are so many Social Security recipients who have been boondoggled with double talk from the Republican leaders hell-bent on prioritizing Social Security.

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Buster202

Since: Jun 09

San Antonio, TX

#1 Sep 29, 2010
Here we go again.

Scaring old people - I remember this tactic going back in the 1970's.

There is no serious proposal to cut anyones social securtiy who is currently receiving benefits.

Paul Ryan (R) does have a plan for social security and the letter writer should look it up - it doesn't cut benefits to recipients either or even those close to retirement.

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But their is a problem with social security.

As its structured right now its not sustainable. We can't afford it. The adults in the room understand this.

And if we can't talk honestly about it we can't fix it.

And unforunately you can't talk about anythng honestly with the democrats.

When social security was implemented most people didn't live long enough to collect it. Over the years, just like the public pension system, its become a big ponzi scheme.

And that is the truth.

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#2 Sep 29, 2010
neither repubs or dems will touch social security now or in the near future!! every election period this scare tactic is introduced!! fact 2037 ends the solvency for ss!! this is 2010!!-- no doubt as the country gets closer to the 2037 period ss will be addressed and steps made to extend it by the congress!! dems love to castigate repubs when ss is brought up!! many times it is successful in swaying a percentage of the electorate but that percentage has no effect!!
LOL

Bradenton, FL

#3 Sep 29, 2010
changing the rules late in the game is called a scam........
Riverman

Weaverville, CA

#4 Sep 29, 2010
The Truth is Americas war machine is the biggest drag on our economy. Cutting the defense budget in half should be a starting point for fiscal responsibilty.

Since: Aug 10

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#5 Sep 29, 2010
I always find it amusing when people talk about privatization when that is not the case at all. The only way to privatize socialistic insecurity is to let me keep the entire amount me and my employer are forced to pay (at gun point) and let ME invest it where and how I see fit. THAT is privatization.
Wrong

United States

#6 Sep 29, 2010
Buster202 wrote:
Here we go again.
Scaring old people - I remember this tactic going back in the 1970's.
There is no serious proposal to cut anyones social securtiy who is currently receiving benefits.
Paul Ryan (R) does have a plan for social security and the letter writer should look it up - it doesn't cut benefits to recipients either or even those close to retirement.
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But their is a problem with social security.
As its structured right now its not sustainable. We can't afford it. The adults in the room understand this.
And if we can't talk honestly about it we can't fix it.
And unforunately you can't talk about anythng honestly with the democrats.
When social security was implemented most people didn't live long enough to collect it. Over the years, just like the public pension system, its become a big ponzi scheme.
And that is the truth.
Bull. Most people were not dead by 65 when Social Security was implemented.

“Who is John Galt?”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#7 Sep 29, 2010
Do you really enjoy drinking as much as you do?
Joe Sixpack

Paradise, CA

#8 Sep 29, 2010
St. Raygun raided the SS fund to give a 1 trillion dollar tax cut to his rich friends. Dumya wanted to do the same thing only give it to Wall Street to "manage" (yeah, they did great in 2008). But the Dems stopped him.

Buster202

Since: Jun 09

San Antonio, TX

#9 Sep 29, 2010
Wrong wrote:
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Bull. Most people were not dead by 65 when Social Security was implemented.
The bottom line is more people surviving to age 65 and they are living longer.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/lifeexpect.html

I can't collect full benefits at 65 - they've already been pushed back almost two years.

And I fully expect them to be pushed back further and the benefit reduced.

Same if your counting on a public pension - you'll be better off if you don't do that.

This whole social security and public pension system is a house of cards.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#10 Sep 29, 2010
Buster202 wrote:
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This whole social security and public pension system is a house of cards.
True enough. But honestly, Buster202, when I read Oliver's letter I had to laugh out loud. This sort of ridiculous screed only plays to a diminishing choir of the very dim. I mean, really. Most of the people pushing retirement age, or already their, recognize this for the undisguised nonsense it is.

Democrats and the left love to play this card as exemplified in Oliver's absurd letter, nut it reaches few outside of their own hate groups. Oliver is just trying to score points with her friends.

The sad thing is if nothing is done about it won't be Republicans or Democrats who kill it (except indirectly by doing nothing). It will simply collapse under its own Ponzi scheme weight. You would think members of the Federal government would do at least something. After all, it is they who have been raiding the funds and using Social Security collections to cook the books for decades.
Horus

Chico, CA

#13 Sep 29, 2010
that's right! keep your hands off off her and quit looking up the dress
oroville kid

Vallejo, CA

#14 Sep 29, 2010
STOP TAKING CHILD SUPPORT OUT OF SSDI INSURANCE CHECKS. tHEIR ARE 2 PARENTS IF ONE BECOMES DIABLED AND THE OTHER PARENT IS WORKING AT LEAST SHARE THE PAYMENT.OUR GOVERMENT IS SCREWING US OVER.

Buster202

Since: Jun 09

San Antonio, TX

#15 Sep 29, 2010
oroville kid wrote:
GOVERMENT IS SCREWING US OVER.
Yes it is.
sparks_red

Weed, CA

#16 Sep 29, 2010
The Feds have been raiding the SS Trust Fund for decades. That is how they attempt to balance the budget every year. I don't agree with their plan to allow employers to stop paying into SS for a period of time if they hire a new employee as that would further drain the SS system. Why not just deduct that percent of Fed. tax? Oh wait that means they would still have to borrow from SS and pay it back!

Once SS does collapse there is no doubt in my mind that we will still be force to pay those taxes into the system. The government has been dependent on the extra money for too long to give it up.
bluffian

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#17 Sep 29, 2010
As I recall, the "privatization" scheme that George W. Bush proposed was modeled on the retirement system of congressman. So whereas the elitist charge is usually thrown out there for the ruling class getting special privileges, now it would be elitist for us to get the same deal as them?

As a young person, I have so little faith in the prospects for both social security and my government pension that I'm planning for them not to be there. The train wreck that seems inevitable should hit before I can retire, so I guess I'd better have a plan B.
bluffian

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#18 Sep 29, 2010
*congressmen

“Who is John Galt?”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#19 Sep 29, 2010
bluffian wrote:
As I recall, the "privatization" scheme that George W. Bush proposed was modeled on the retirement system of congressman. So whereas the elitist charge is usually thrown out there for the ruling class getting special privileges, now it would be elitist for us to get the same deal as them?
As a young person, I have so little faith in the prospects for both social security and my government pension that I'm planning for them not to be there. The train wreck that seems inevitable should hit before I can retire, so I guess I'd better have a plan B.
The train wreck has started. Today, SS is paying out more than it is taking in. If you are young, at least you know that the government is lying. Many people 55+ still think that SS will be there for them. The Democrats, the Republicans and the Presidents (every last one of them) having been lying to the people. If you have been smart enough to save through 401k plans etc. you will still be screwed because the government will means test everything from SS to Obamacare. If you lived your life prudently and are middle class the government is going to take everything you have. You would have been just as well off living above your means like many, many people. Viva la USA!
Travis

Oroville, CA

#20 Sep 29, 2010
Buster202 wrote:
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Yes it is.
Please tell us Buster, are you moving???? You would love China.
My offer still stands, if you move, I'll pay for the party!!!:D
"Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'"
welfare mart

Silverdale, WA

#21 Sep 29, 2010
Socialist security , public schools , welfare , government employment , medicare , public housing , free market my A$$
bull

Westminster, CA

#22 Sep 29, 2010
Buster202 wrote:
Here we go again.
Scaring old people - I remember this tactic going back in the 1970's.
There is no serious proposal to cut anyones social securtiy who is currently receiving benefits.
Paul Ryan (R) does have a plan for social security and the letter writer should look it up - it doesn't cut benefits to recipients either or even those close to retirement.
-----
But their is a problem with social security.
As its structured right now its not sustainable. We can't afford it. The adults in the room understand this.
And if we can't talk honestly about it we can't fix it.
And unforunately you can't talk about anythng honestly with the democrats.
When social security was implemented most people didn't live long enough to collect it. Over the years, just like the public pension system, its become a big ponzi scheme.
And that is the truth.
You haven't told the truth once since you got on this forum.
You are a paid shill for Wally Herger who wants to privatize social security.
And that is the truth.

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