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Harsh Hill rhetoric breeds angst in party caucuses

There are 89 comments on the Athens Banner-Herald story from Oct 1, 2009, titled Harsh Hill rhetoric breeds angst in party caucuses. In it, Athens Banner-Herald reports that:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says anyone using harsh rhetoric to raise fears about health care reform should apologize and get on with writing policy, but said there's no reason to single out a Florida Democrat who said Republicans want sick Americans to "die quickly." "If anybody's going to apologize, everybody should apologize," she said when asked ...

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#90 Oct 3, 2009
Robert Newell wrote:
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Maybe so, but your original post was about illegals and abortion, and those important (to many) amendments have been voted down by the Dems. You calling someone biased is the funniest thing I have heard is some time. As far as "Every current version of a current health care reform bill" The Senate is voting on an idea. Problem is the Republicans won't even have time to read the bill before the vote.
The Republicans would vote "no" if they had a decade to read the bill. They simply don't want to lose those millions from the insurance companies.

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#91 Oct 3, 2009
Bob Burns wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever you buy, it works like this. The more you want, the more you pay. Somebody does have to pay. Every person pay their own, or I pay for yours. Ain't paying for yours buddy, got enough trouble paying for my own
Your comment proves that you don't understand the proposed plan. Do a little research.

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#92 Oct 3, 2009
Azjaeger wrote:
<quoted text>You've got that backwards. Republicans would like "health care reform". That would include allowing private insurance companies to compete against each other by selling across state lines, tort reform to control medical legal costs, and a crackdown on free medical care given out to illegals which is subsidized by American citizens. What the Democrats want is "government health care", which does nothing to improve medical care or lower costs but instead has the main goal of growing government and increasing its level of control, with the byproduct of giving free health care to illegals and unemployed who sadly are two prime Democrat voting blocs.
Briefly...
To believe that any substantial reduction in rates would result from private insurers crossing state lines is naive to say the least.
The free medical care given to illegals, either in free clinics or in ER's, is the humane thing to do. Letting illegals and their children die because they committed the crime of crossing our borders illegally is a bit extreme.
No matter how many times the lie is repeated, no one is proposing "government health care". The idea is a government-run non profit insurance option to compete with the private insurers. The plan would allow free choice of doctors, with the doctors (not the private insurance companies) deciding on appropriate treatment.
I favor tort reform.

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#93 Oct 3, 2009
Azjaeger wrote:
<quoted text>Well, Larry, if you're rolling in it and have no worries, why don't you and the other elitist rich liberals start a foundation with your own money to provide free health care for all those that you're so worried about, rather than picking my pocket. I'm just trying to make it through the Obama Depression til we can kick out the Dems in 2010 and 2012.
A foundation, huh? Great idea. All it would have to do is pay health care costs for over 40 million uninsured citizens (including those annoying people with pre-existing conditions), and maybe subsidize some more millions whose present coverage is inadequate, and, oh yes, cover everyone who switches jobs. I'll get on that right away.

As for your waiting for 2010 and 2012, don't hold your breath. Obama is moving this country ahead after eight long years of the Bush nightmare, and most of us know it. It takes time to get out of quicksand.

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#94 Oct 3, 2009
Wanna Know wrote:
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And twenty three democrats proposed a provision that would include coverage to illegal aliens under the proposed health care bill. That was yesterday or the day before.
Such a provision would never pass, and they knew it. Ironically, it would be cheaper for the taxpayer to include illegals in the bill, rather than providing free treatment in ER's, as is now the case.

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#95 Oct 3, 2009
carey529 wrote:
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larry's source for news is iria, nbc and bill maher ...
need i say more?
And Carey's source for news is the Outdoor Plumbing Gazette.

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#96 Oct 3, 2009
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>The Republicans would vote "no" if they had a decade to read the bill. They simply don't want to lose those millions from the insurance companies.
Funny how that works out, the Republicans historicaly got more campaign contributions from insurance companies, but now days, the Dems get more. http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.p...
You want to condemn the Republicans for the failure of the health care bill, but there are enough Democrats to pass it with out them. Is this the Republicans' fault?

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#97 Oct 3, 2009
Robert Newell wrote:
<quoted text>Funny how that works out, the Republicans historicaly got more campaign contributions from insurance companies, but now days, the Dems get more. http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.p...
You want to condemn the Republicans for the failure of the health care bill, but there are enough Democrats to pass it with out them. Is this the Republicans' fault?
I condemn the Democratic obstructionists too. Check them out for contributions from the private insurance Godzilla.
I don't give a rat's arse whether these politicians are Democrats or Republicans. This country has long needed real health care reform, and as far as I'm concerned, any politician who tries to prevent it should be called out and made to pay at the ballot box.

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#98 Oct 3, 2009
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I condemn the Democratic obstructionists too. Check them out for contributions from the private insurance Godzilla.
I don't give a rat's arse whether these politicians are Democrats or Republicans. This country has long needed real health care reform, and as far as I'm concerned, any politician who tries to prevent it should be called out and made to pay at the ballot box.
Now we can finally agree. I have no problem reforming health care, but there is no need to throw out what we have now. Tort reform in Texas has lowered cost in Texas, but the politicians that support trial lawyer are against it. Pre-existing conditions are a problem, but to allow people to not buy insurance so they can buy a BMW, and then want coverage when they get sick won't work either. Not unless you force everyone one to be insured. I don't like this idea either. Currently, if you have health insurance in a group policy, and go to another group,you cannot be excluded due to pre-existing conditions.This should be extended to private individual policies. I don't have a problem helping the poor, medicaid does that now, and maybe should be extended. I have no problem with government supplying catastrophic coverage through SSI and Medicaid. That way people wouldn't go bankrupt or be denied treatment if the have a serious accident or illness.

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