GOP-led House Passes Payroll Tax Cut; Obama, Senate Dems Oppose Provisions

Democrats and Republicans each sought to portray themselves as the true defenders of the middle class following last night's vote by U.S. House of Representatives to extend a payroll tax cut due to expire at year end.

[Wall Street Government]

Of course they did, it's nothing more than corporate socialism.
Giving the keys to the same scumbags that put us in this mess.

[Dances with Wolves]

Wall Street Government wrote:

Of course they did, it's nothing more than corporate socialism.
Giving the keys to the same scumbags that put us in this mess.

Seriously? Is that the best you've got? "Corporate Socialism"? Like maybe JOBS for the PRIVATE SECTOR to help the ECONOMY? If you have a better solution, I'm all ears (or eyes in this case) but to me, this particular legislation extends the payroll cut, creates jobs (which helps the economy) AND helps in decreasing our dependency on foreign oil products. I'm not seeing the down side.

Of course the Democrats won't go for it, which makes them the "party of 'no'" now. Ironic, ain't it?

[horacegreeley]

Dances with Wolves wrote:

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Seriously? Is that the best you've got? "Corporate Socialism"? Like maybe JOBS for the PRIVATE SECTOR to help the ECONOMY? If you have a better solution, I'm all ears (or eyes in this case) but to me, this particular legislation extends the payroll cut, creates jobs (which helps the economy) AND helps in decreasing our dependency on foreign oil products. I'm not seeing the down side.
Of course the Democrats won't go for it, which makes them the "party of 'no'" now. Ironic, ain't it?

Well, look at the bright side, it IS a step up from mindlessly yelling racist. He actually had to put some "thought" into stringing two multi-syllable words together.

The part about giving the keys to the "same scumbags" that got us into the problem in the first place is a bit confusing, though. When did Barney Frank switch parties?

[Mr_Bill]

Dances with Wolves wrote:

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Seriously? Is that the best you've got? "Corporate Socialism"? Like maybe JOBS for the PRIVATE SECTOR to help the ECONOMY? If you have a better solution, I'm all ears (or eyes in this case) but to me, this particular legislation extends the payroll cut, creates jobs (which helps the economy) AND helps in decreasing our dependency on foreign oil products. I'm not seeing the down side.
Of course the Democrats won't go for it, which makes them the "party of 'no'" now. Ironic, ain't it?

Tax cuts for the rich have already proven to provide no new jobs in the USA, in fact, these tax cuts for millionaires have cosdt us hundredds of thousands of jobs.

End-runs around environmental rules and regulations also provide no jobs, except for people who clean oil soaked ducks and deer with dish soap.

[Dances with Wolves]

Mr_Bill wrote:

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Tax cuts for the rich have already proven to provide no new jobs in the USA, in fact, these tax cuts for millionaires have cosdt us hundredds of thousands of jobs.

Taxes = Government Money taken from the private sector. The Government cannot budget but wastes billions of dollars. When the Government spends OUR money with more discretion and responsibility instead of wasting it, and, only THEN, decides it needs more, then maybe we can revisit this issue. I’m not rich. I am simply fed up with Government waste and its demand for even more without any accountability. The Government certainly isn’t providing new jobs either, nor does the Government consider it’s money – OUR money, so lets leave it in the private sector until the Government shows us it can be responsible.

Mr_Bill wrote:

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End-runs around environmental rules and regulations also provide no jobs, except for people who clean oil soaked ducks and deer with dish soap.

I can remember some story about a body of water in California, which provided water for farms as well as drinking water for people being closed up and made unavailable to people because of some small animal. It was maybe a year or two ago, but sounded rather sad for the people. Environmental Rules and Regulations may or may not be sound and should be reviewed. I don’t disagree that some safety measures should be in place to protect the environment, but I do feel that sometimes the Government goes overboard. Logic and Common Sense should prevail. Can we trust the Government to provide sound judgment? I think not at this time.

[higgans]

Mr_Bill wrote:

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Tax cuts for the rich have already proven to provide no new jobs in the USA, in fact, these tax cuts for millionaires have cosdt us hundredds of thousands of jobs.
End-runs around environmental rules and regulations also provide no jobs, except for people who clean oil soaked ducks and deer with dish soap.

well, let's see... using ur logic, welfare as we know it shud have been discontinued a long time ago, shortly after the first case of fraud was uncovered.
the same for student loans after the first default.
the Dept of Energy after our use of imported oil went UP.
the Dept of Ed after the test scores went DOWN.
the 1964 Civil Rights Act after the first case of discrimination.
NAFTA after the first relocation of an American bus out of the Country.
how about disbanding the National military after the first UN-declared war?
air travel after the first passenger plane crash.
even the next several wagon trains after the Donner party...
and, let's not forget: Home Land Security, the CIA, the NSA and the FBI after 9/11.
need we mention FEMA? affordable housing? HHS and HUD?
let's just do away with all of the technology that makes humans the apex critter and we'll just take our chances, unarmed, with the bears and lions (oh, my!)...
less IS better

[Mr_Bill]

higgans wrote:

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well, let's see... using ur logic, welfare as we know it shud have been discontinued a long time ago, shortly after the first case of fraud was uncovered.
the same for student loans after the first default.
the Dept of Energy after our use of imported oil went UP.
the Dept of Ed after the test scores went DOWN.
the 1964 Civil Rights Act after the first case of discrimination.
NAFTA after the first relocation of an American bus out of the Country.
how about disbanding the National military after the first UN-declared war?
air travel after the first passenger plane crash.
even the next several wagon trains after the Donner party...
and, let's not forget: Home Land Security, the CIA, the NSA and the FBI after 9/11.
need we mention FEMA? affordable housing? HHS and HUD?
let's just do away with all of the technology that makes humans the apex critter and we'll just take our chances, unarmed, with the bears and lions (oh, my!)...
less IS better

All of the things you list do much good, and you cherry pick the small abuses.
There is no greater good to exporting American jobs to India, so OH MY yourself.

Your argument is defective logic. Rejected.

[Phil McCracken]

The "Do Nothing Congress"? Should be called the "Do Nothing Senate"? Of course, your run of the mill Democrat doesn't really pay attention what goes on in DC....they are still drunk on The Savior Kool Aid...

NObama 2012.....The End of an Error

[Mr_Bill]

Phil McCracken wrote:

The "Do Nothing Congress"? Should be called the "Do Nothing Senate"? Of course, your run of the mill Democrat doesn't really pay attention what goes on in DC....they are still drunk on The Savior Kool Aid...
NObama 2012.....The End of an Error

It is the GOP sector of the Senate who filibuster almost every Bill.

You should open your eeeyes. The Senate had the votes to pass much law; but not enough to override the GOP filibuster-veto.

[sandman21]

Mr_Bill wrote:

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It is the GOP sector of the Senate who filibuster almost every Bill.
You should open your eeeyes. The Senate had the votes to pass much law; but not enough to override the GOP filibuster-veto.

How can a bill be filibustered when it doesn't reach the floor for a vote? 27 house jobs bills and counting that the obstructionist do nothing socialist Dingy Reid refuses to allow for a vote. Shameful!

[higgans]

Mr_Bill wrote:

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All of the things you list do much good, and you cherry pick the small abuses.
There is no greater good to exporting American jobs to India, so OH MY yourself.
Your argument is defective logic. Rejected.

just extending ur, er, logic.
where did I say I supported exporting any American jobs ANYWHERE?
my point is to UN-do free trade and bring back protective tariffs.
tariffs solve two problems: the loss of American manufacturing jobs to cheap imports and increased Fed revenues OTHER than income taxes!
u, and others, shud be asking why NEITHER maj political party is calling for such a policy shift. either to increase PRIVATE sector jobs (GOP) or increase Fed funds for wasting (Dem)?
THE government is the enemy...
less IS better