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Pawlenty veto leaves budget void as session erodes

There are 55 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 11, 2010, titled Pawlenty veto leaves budget void as session erodes. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Gov. Tim Pawlenty made good Tuesday on his threat to veto a Democratic plan to repair Minnesota's budget because the bill includes a tax increase.

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Not even funny

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#1 May 11, 2010
Thank you Governor. At least there's one roadblock to this senseless dfl appetite to raise taxes and drive ALL businesses and individuals out of here. He'd be a great President if he could bring this discipline there.
America the Great

Fargo, ND

#2 May 11, 2010
Not even funny wrote:
Thank you Governor. At least there's one roadblock to this senseless dfl appetite to raise taxes and drive ALL businesses and individuals out of here. He'd be a great President if he could bring this discipline there.
Wonderful sentiment expressed here, but the rest of the state deals with reality. Businesses leave when they want to leave and there isn't much we can do about that. Individuals come when jobs are available. Last time I checked everybody, including the Democrats you vilified, admitted businesses have not added jobs like they used to in Minnesota since Pawlenty became Governor. Moreover, even after everything you want is cut, there is still the thorny problem of a deficit next year and/or a need for services a year or two down the road. As my good friend Randy Moss used to say when he played for the Vikings, you can't keep living off the cheap. What did the Vikings do under Zygi Wilf? Read the same memo, spent some cash, and nearly made the Super Bowl. Same thing applies here: Minnesota will only be a Super Bowl city when it learns how to make smart spending/tax investments instead of dumb ones.

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Rachel

Saint Paul, MN

#3 May 11, 2010
Why wouldn't there be a fair tax?! Six figure income earners only pay 7-8% of their income as taxes and yet those who make 5 figures or less are paying 12-13%! How is that fair, and why wouldn't you up the taxes for those who earn more, especially if it will have a deep impact on the deficit!!! It's not only fair, its completely logical and should just go without saying! Why is it that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer?! Come on Pawlenty, and do what you know is right and fair!!!
You are Not Funny

Saint Paul, MN

#4 May 11, 2010
To- Not Even Funny
You must be one of those six figure earners who refuse to help out and pay your fair share!
Pedro

Saint Paul, MN

#5 May 11, 2010
Way to go Timmy! I'm so glad one on our leaders did something to stop the wasteful and out of control governemnt spending! Finally, the government will need to cut back and trim their fat too, and the MN gov't is like a pork belly when it comes to fat. Now let's reduce the entitlements, reduce the time people can collect unemployment, and exchange 3 govt workers for private contractors (yes...that's about the right ratio to get the same work done.
Pedro

Saint Paul, MN

#6 May 11, 2010
Rachel wrote:
Why wouldn't there be a fair tax?! Six figure income earners only pay 7-8% of their income as taxes and yet those who make 5 figures or less are paying 12-13%! How is that fair, and why wouldn't you up the taxes for those who earn more, especially if it will have a deep impact on the deficit!!! It's not only fair, its completely logical and should just go without saying! Why is it that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer?! Come on Pawlenty, and do what you know is right and fair!!!
Ummm....why don't we all pay the same tax in DOLLARS?!!!! Does a rich guy need to pay more for a Big Mac than a poor guy? Does Super America publish gas prices as a percent of income? Why is it when it comes to taxes you think it should be a percent of income? If you really want to talk about a FAIR TAX, then check out www.fairtax.org
The Cold Hard Truth

Fargo, ND

#7 May 11, 2010
Thank you Governor! Great job! They can find another 400 million to cut easily. Start with their per Diem's and other fraud and waste and Presto! Done deal!
Joe Merlot

Saint Paul, MN

#8 May 11, 2010
Rachel wrote:
Why wouldn't there be a fair tax?! Six figure income earners only pay 7-8% of their income as taxes and yet those who make 5 figures or less are paying 12-13%! How is that fair, and why wouldn't you up the taxes for those who earn more, especially if it will have a deep impact on the deficit!!! It's not only fair, its completely logical and should just go without saying! Why is it that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer?! Come on Pawlenty, and do what you know is right and fair!!!
It's fair because (a) their 7%-8% is about 500 times more in dollars than the 12%-13% than you pay and (b) they provide something to the public that you do not (jobs). How many jobs to you provide? How much charity do you contribute?

And those that are not SUPER wealthy (single $114k is doing very well but far from filthy rich) have earned the right to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Asking them to pay more than you simply because there is a budget deficit that you prefer someone else addresses is inherently UNfair.

Lastly, the demonstration of human imperfection (greed, selfishness, etc...) is the reason that socialistic principles are inherently flawed. Centralizing distribution of wealth would only ever work if you had a Utopian race that was devoid of human kinds lesser qualities. How many thousands of years have demonstrated what imperfect human beings will do with that kind of power.

Let's pull our heads out of the collective sky and start being practical and reasonable, shall we?
Earthling

Minneapolis, MN

#9 May 11, 2010
Poster 'Rachel', you have got to be kidding. Bold face lying, to be exact. I'd gladly trade tax rates with you. I paid about $80,000 in federal and state tax on my income in 2008. How much did you pay? That was at the 33% Federal tax bracket PLUS 7.85% MN tax rate. What did you pay, both in rate and amount?

MN Tax rate tables http://www.taxes.state.mn.us/individ/filing_y...

Federak tax rate tables
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_bracke...

Since: Jun 08

Apple Valley, MN

#10 May 11, 2010
Minnesota doesn't have a low tax problem, it has a high spending problem.

I don't see how the solution to high spending is higher taxes, except to encourage more high spending in the future.
Minn

Saint Paul, MN

#11 May 11, 2010
What a phony.
Pedro

Saint Paul, MN

#12 May 11, 2010
kecker wrote:
Minnesota doesn't have a low tax problem, it has a high spending problem.
I don't see how the solution to high spending is higher taxes, except to encourage more high spending in the future.
So simple, but it says it all. The basic problem is that politicians are using YOUR money to buy votes, and it won't stop until we cut off the flow of money. It's corruption in the worst sense. At least with with a bribe you use your own money.
retired

Saint Paul, MN

#13 May 11, 2010
How about a flat tax all items sold in the state of minnesota, and no personal income tax like south dakota
Lux et Veritas

Minneapolis, MN

#14 May 11, 2010
Well, we can content ourselves knowing there was some of that always-coveted, media-bloviated-about bipartisanship in the passage of the bill.

Twelve Senate Democrats voted no, as did 16 House Democrats. Of course, they're the ones facing tight elections who actually have to be worried about the will of Minnesota citizens. The rest of the Democrats can attempt to tax and spend with impunity.
Pedro

Saint Paul, MN

#15 May 11, 2010
retired wrote:
How about a flat tax all items sold in the state of minnesota, and no personal income tax like south dakota
You have basically described the fair tax on a state level ( www.fairtax.org ). Actually, we shoudl do this nationally. Can you imagine the savings to eliminate the IRS?
Hah

Saint Paul, MN

#16 May 11, 2010
America the Great wrote:
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Wonderful sentiment expressed here, but the rest of the state deals with reality. Businesses leave when they want to leave and there isn't much we can do about that. Individuals come when jobs are available. Last time I checked everybody, including the Democrats you vilified, admitted businesses have not added jobs like they used to in Minnesota since Pawlenty became Governor. Moreover, even after everything you want is cut, there is still the thorny problem of a deficit next year and/or a need for services a year or two down the road. As my good friend Randy Moss used to say when he played for the Vikings, you can't keep living off the cheap. What did the Vikings do under Zygi Wilf? Read the same memo, spent some cash, and nearly made the Super Bowl. Same thing applies here: Minnesota will only be a Super Bowl city when it learns how to make smart spending/tax investments instead of dumb ones.
BS. Where do you come up with this "last time I checked" crap? Since Pawlenty has been Governor? What a bold-faced lie. Businesses don;t leave 'when they want ot leave' and there is something the state can do about it - lower the cost of doing business here. 3M moved some of it's production from St.Paul to Iowa because of this (the cost of business). Not China, not Mexico,...IOWA! Why do you think they did? Moving production facilities is very expensive, so why do you think they thought this would be more economically feasable? The cost of doing business in this state has created a net migration out - to neighboring states as well as OS.

And Randy Moss is not your good friend.
Joe Merlot

Saint Paul, MN

#17 May 11, 2010
Lux et Veritas wrote:
Well, we can content ourselves knowing there was some of that always-coveted, media-bloviated-about bipartisanship in the passage of the bill.
Twelve Senate Democrats voted no, as did 16 House Democrats. Of course, they're the ones facing tight elections who actually have to be worried about the will of Minnesota citizens. The rest of the Democrats can attempt to tax and spend with impunity.
And we all know perfectly well that the ones facing tight elections are putting on "responsible" facacde that will not exist in a non election year.

In other words, I've seen what Saltzman, DFL Woodbury will do when there is not an election looming and I'm not buying it. I've actually written Saltzman and the responses I've received were borderline pompous and straight DFL rhetoric. And now she would have us believe that she's developed fiscal responsibility?

These folks may as well have voted their conscience because they are going to get tossed anyway. At least then they could escape with their integrity intact.
Pedro

Saint Paul, MN

#18 May 11, 2010
Hah wrote:
<quoted text>BS. Where do you come up with this "last time I checked" crap? Since Pawlenty has been Governor? What a bold-faced lie. Businesses don;t leave 'when they want ot leave' and there is something the state can do about it - lower the cost of doing business here.
So true. My business is in the manufacturing of capital equipment for manufacturing companies. I cannot even count the number of companies who have decided not to expand their business (including ours) in Mn or even in the US because of the tax and regulatory climate here. I had one big customer who was planning to expand here change the destination of our equipment to Suzhou China. They decided to buy land and make a manufacturing operation there. And they didn't do it for the cheap labor. In fact, the chinese labor is horrible. The big advantage is lower taxes and a much more free and capitalistic manufacturing environment. Isn't it funny to say that a communist country has a more free and capitalistic business climate? No, not funny, sad. So we had better elect leaders who will give us a more free and less restricted manufacturing climate if we want our state and our nation the remain a leader.
Duh

Denver, CO

#19 May 11, 2010
kecker wrote:
Minnesota doesn't have a low tax problem, it has a high spending problem.
I don't see how the solution to high spending is higher taxes, except to encourage more high spending in the future.
I wish they had an F*****ing Brilliant button to judge your post. You are exactly right, we pay sales tax (that morons voted to increase via CCR), property tax, and income tax, and our good government cannot even manage all of that money. When I have lived in other states (in the military for those haters who say go back to them then) there was no income tax in WA, just property and sales tax, guess what their sales tax was 8%, awfully close to what our own sales tax is now. This state, spends and spends, just wasting money left and right, and their only answer is to tax more. We need to cut down the size of our elected government for a start, that is one way to curb state spending.
LGA Larry

Monroe, LA

#20 May 11, 2010
First, the DFL should acknowledge its hypocritical role in making the tax system more regressive, which they have done by passing a raft of sales tax increases for light rail, baseball stadiums, zoos, bike trails, the arts, MPR and the like. The sales tax is very regressive and it only stands to reason that when you raise these taxes, the system becomes more regressive. DFLers are interested in protecting the poor from regressive taxes only when it means pounding the wealthy, which does nothing to help the poor except reduce the jobs and charitable services upon which they rely.
Property taxes are also regressive and the DFL has consistently opposed capping property taxes, which was the law in Minnesota for many years - known as "levy limits." In fact, Minnesota last session brought back limited levy limits and the DFL is right now working on legislation to remove that cap and let school districts and other local units of government raise property taxes without limit.

The bottom line is that the successful in Minnesota are already bearing more than their fair share while 20% of Minnesota households don't pay income taxes at all. And don't forget about the corporate taxes here in Minnesota.(Minnesota is one of a shrinking number of states that have a corporate tax at all.)
Most states have realized that corporations don't pay corporate taxes. Instead, corporate taxes are paid by employees in the form of lower wages and benefits. They're paid by consumers in the form of higher prices. Finally, they're paid by investors who realize lower rates of return and smaller dividends.
Most troubling, the study predicts that Minnesota's already sky-high and uncompetitive commercial and industrial property tax rate will increase 42% between 2006 and 2011.

There is an increasing incentive for job providers to leave Minnesota. More business friendly states like North Dakota and Iowa are faring much better. And please spare the bombastic arrogance of denigrating the quality of life in those states compared to Minnesota.

Heck, you may be moving there with your job soon enough!

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