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#21 Jun 1, 2011
My bad, you blamed the Koch brothers for Ohio's ills.
"One more comment: look who is behind S.B.5 - the Koch brothers and big business. If anybody doesn't believe this governor, and most of the republican legislators, are bought and paid for, there's your proof."
Yes, you sure did prove your point on that, it's those Koc brothers. Maybe if the gov creates a more stable environment, business will create jobs.
It's funny how you say repubs are bought and paid for while dems have collected more Wall Street cash over the last 50 years.
#22 Jun 1, 2011
BOB, I can see you're not an academic scholar. Be careful of your comments when you have no facts to back them up. Your assertion that "Dems have collected more wall street cash over the last 50 years" is incorrect, and you have no basis in proof for such a claim. Also, the Koch brothers have donated millions to republican's campaigning for office, not so much for democrats. They have Kasich in their back pocket, along with Batchelder and many other republican legislators. Any jobs they create will pay in the range of $10.00, thus lining their pockets even more...I feel sorry for you that you don't have the mental capacity to understand that.
#23 Jun 1, 2011
Really ? People have already lost their jobs because of this, how ?
well,glad you asked BOB: You see, it started in Columbus with this governor and his
"JOBS" budget. He decided to give city governments way less money in his "JOBS" budget, and these cities had to project ahead for the upcoming fiscal period how the extreme cuts in funding would affect them. Let's take Cleveland for example, shall we BOB, Cleveland will lose many millions in funding over the next two years, because of this governor's "JOBS" budget. So much so that to counter this loss of revenue, they let go of some 800 teachers, 400 city workers to include 140 police and another class of police recruits who upon graduation were told they don't have a job. That's how people have lost their jobs because of the governor's "JOBS" budget BOB. This is beginning to occur all over Ohio BOB, because of the "JOBS" budget. I hope you understand now BOB.
It seems as though you did blame SB5 because when I asked how people have already lost their jobs over this, meaning SB5, you gave the above answer. You can say you were only addressing the budget, but you gave the above answer in response to my question about SB5. Do you think if their was no budget shortfall, people would be losing their jobs ?
#24 Jun 1, 2011
Bob..the answer to your question is no.
Historically, most countries that were not democracies move toward a democracy by large groups of the working class that gets tired of being taken advantage of by management/govt.
As unions thrived the standard of living in the US has risen. Once Reagan started cutting taxes on the top wage earners and fired the air traffic controllers it started an assault on unions.
Massive amounts of manufacturing jobs have moved to Mexico...and Ross Pero with his pie charts predicted it 15 years ago.
Unions have kept management honest but it is a uphill fight right now. Just look at the country..."Right to Work" states have a much lower standard of living (almost 20%)
15 years ago I thought if you take care of the companies they will take care of the employees but I've learned better. Once the unions are gone...we will be working 55 hours a week for $10/hr with no benefits. You can bank on that. There will be 3% of the population living large and the rest of America very poor.
history proves a great society needs a thriving middle class and greed and "Me,Me,Me" by corporate CEO's don't make for a great society!
#25 Jun 1, 2011
The main "valid" argument for SB 5 is that it will bring costs of government down and relieve the taxpayers (including us) of some financial stress. Except, if you look at what is really going on around this State in the last few years, public employees have been giving concessions left and right. Oh, that's thru collect bargaining. Everyone I work with understands that and is willing to pay more into our pensions, healthcare and a lot of other stuff. But, SB 5 didn't stop there, it goes way over board and tries to strip us of everything, having potential to wipes out many NON-economic gains. The over reach by these Republicans have started a fight, a fight we didn't start but are now engaged in. Look who is backing Building a Better Ohio...it ought to be called, Building a Fatter Wallet. The top 2% have most the money, the bottom 5% take money but don't put anything in, and that leaves the rest of us to work and pay for everything. The 2% need us to fight each others so they can pick our pockets some more. SB 5 is a train wreck and I fight against it with a "few" friends. Frankly, I like our chances. Go ahead and spam me, flame me or disagree with me. This ain't our first rodeo, just the first time Republicans have aligned against the safety forces. It has divided us all, but this ex-Republican will fight til Nov.
#26 Jun 1, 2011
Taking away rights of workers? How does that help anything?
#27 Jun 2, 2011
Yes, both parties are reaping the Wall Stree largesse.
#28 Jul 22, 2011
Wah Wah Wah. Cry me a freaking river. SB5 is asking government employees to pay 15% of their healthcare costs instead of 0. Boo freaking hoo. Do you know how much I pay being a non-goverment employee? And my taxes are paying for government employees healhcare. How is that fair? I'm sick of all of you entitled cry baby government employees crying about cuts. Why don't you take after government employees who never go on strike and never complain about their measly pay (Our military) You sit her and whine in your meaningless job where you probably only do 30 hours of actual work, while our military busts their ass for half of what you make. If you're a goverment employee it's time for you to make a sacrifice or 2 for the good of the country. You arrogant useless pricks.
#29 Jul 22, 2011
Oh yeah, one more thing. Goverment employees were never supposed to be unionized. It was done in order to make the government bigger and to give more power to the Democrats. JFK thought it would be a bad idea to unionize government employees. Why do you think Federal government employees aren't unionized? I hope SB5 is repealed and then Kasich is forced to start laying off state employees so we can reduce the size of government. Do you idiot liberals realize you are more likely to die as a government employee than to be fired? Now that's some job security. Only 1% of goverment employees are fired every year whereas 3% are fired in the private sector. I'm 100% positive that 99% of government employees aren't better workers than private sector employees. In my experience most state employees are pretty useless. Everytime I go to the DMV I stand in a long line while 2 people are helping customers and another 2 or 3 are sitting around doing nothing. Bust those unions Gov. Kasich. The real people are behind you.
#30 Jul 22, 2011
I am against SB5, it is too wide reaching, will not accomplish what Kasich says it will, and is his personal way of getting back at groups that don't support and/or makes him cut back on areas that are more personal to him, like his private school voucher system.
Kasich is out for Kasich and those that will make him rich and keep his "friends" comfortable. Keep in mind this man once served Ohio, only to leave it and serve himself to make money for him and the company he worked for. He did that at the expense of an Ohio public retirement system. Now he wants to cost those same people their jobs. Ask yourself why. Money in his control. Well he proved he did a bad job when he workede in the private sector, so why would we allow his to handle it in the public sector. If he ruins the retirement system, then guess who will have to clean it up. Believe me teachers, firemen, and policemen will take their services somewhere else if he screws this up and taxpayers will foot the bill in some fashion.
Now the truth is some of the salaries and benefits need to be reigned in, especially top administrators, and realistic share of medical expenses so they are more in line with the private sector.
But what really needs to be done is set limits of what can be spent on employees (per employee) and tell these school boards, and trustees you can not go over that limit. That way these groups can live within their budgets without telling the public to belly up and pay more taxes.
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