Defenders of SB 5 organize to oppose repeal | The Columbus Dispatch

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This fall, it will be We Are Ohio versus Building a Better Ohio in a multimillion-dollar clash over the collective-bargaining power of public workers.
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bullpucky

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Hooray for the defenders of the wealthy!!!
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A list of Kasich's accomplishments:

1. Gave over $8,000,000 of taxpayer money to Bob Evans Restaurants to allow them to move from the south side of Columbus to New Albany. Kasich claims that Bob Evans management had threatened to move their headquarters to Texas, but records show that they were actually looking at moving to the north side of Columbus (Polaris), not Texas. FAIL.

2. Was extremely critical of former Gov. Strickland for using one-time money to balance the budget, and said that he would not do so. Then he releases his budget, which includes large sums of one-time money in order to balance (e.g., the sale of prisons). FAIL.

3. In a public forum, with hundreds of people present, he refers to a police officer as an "idiot" three times. This did not come the day after he received a ticket from the officer, or the week after, or even the month after; it came three years after he received the ticket, and Kasich's anger issues were visibly demonstrated for all to see. He set a terrible example of how a leader should respond. FAIL.

4. Accepts over $22,000 in campaign contributions from charter school advocate David Brennan (White Hat Management). In spite of the fact that almost half of all charter schools in Ohio were found to be "failing" on state report cards in 2010, Kasich proposes spending an additional $560,000,000 on charter schools. In spite of the fact that it costs more than twice as much money to educate a student at a charter school than in a public school, Kasich proposes spending an additional $560,000,000 on charter schools. In spite of the fact that state funding of public schools has increased by about 2.2% per year over the last 10 years (25% total), while state funding of charter schools has increased about 30% per year over the last ten years (1285% total), Kasich proposes spending an additional $560,000,000 on charter schools in his budget. FAIL.

5. In spite of the fact that 75% of public schools are rated excellent or effective, while less about 15% of charter schools are rated excellent or effective, Kasich wants even less oversight over charter schools. In spite of the fact that 50% of charter schools were in either academic emergency or academic watch, while less than 10% of public schools were in academic emergency or academic watch, Kasich wants even less oversight over charter schools. FAIL.

6. Wanted to hold his inauguration in his home, without any one from the public present. Only after being pressured to open it up to the public did he relent. His instinct always seems to lead him to err on the side of secret, back-room deals. FAIL.

7. Wanted to release the budget without any media present. Only after being pressured to open it up to the media did he relent. His instinct always seems to lead him to err on the side of secret, back-room deals. FAIL.

8. Held a "townhall meeting" the evening he released his budget, then gave 88% of all tickets to Republican contributors, politicians, friends and family members. This after he claimed the meeting would be open to the public on a first-come, first-served basis. FAIL.

9. In spite of the fact that merit pay systems have been tried in Chicago, Nashville, New York City, and Washington D.C., and have been shown that student achievement did not improve, Kasich is proposing merit pay for Ohio teachers. In spite of the fact that merit pay systems based on standardized test scores for the students have been shown to stifle collaboration and creativity, Kasich is proposing merit pay for Ohio teachers. FAIL.

I could go on and on...Lehman Brothers, Mark Kvamme, SB 5, cutting funds to Children's Hospitals while increasing his own staff's salaries, cutting funds to providers of children with disabilities while increasing his own staff's salaries, lowering the standards for becoming a teacher (while blaming current teachers for many of Ohio's problems), etc.

The end result of Kasich's accomplishments and actions in his first four months? EPIC FAIL.
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Their Facebook page is hilarious! They have friends but they're not on their side. The 133 "Likes" or "Friends" are the people who believe the old adage, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."
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And if that is an example of those who support SB5, the defeat should easier than thought. The supporters can't make statements based in fact or provide sources for their facts.
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Hey LOOK the Dispatch is reporting on the fringe group that dislikes SB5 AGAIN. Defender of the wealthy indeed.

Good thing folks who want to dismantle public education have such a staunch supporter in this fair and balanced newspaper.
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Shakin My Head wrote:
And if that is an example of those who support SB5, the defeat should easier than thought. The supporters can't make statements based in fact or provide sources for their facts.
No, but they can repeat their lies over and over and over and over.

They can't even find one teabag covered nutjob who isn't already on their payroll to stand up and pretend to be the grassroots.

Americans for Prosperity really has some deep roots in Ohio right?
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Yawn. Just wake me up at election time so that I can help repeal the damn law.
Moving to Texas

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Typical union idiots this morning. Attacking people who have been successful. I guess I'll have to cough up a few thousand bucks to help get the truth out.
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Joe Hill wrote:
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No, but they can repeat their lies over and over and over and over.
They can't even find one teabag covered nutjob who isn't already on their payroll to stand up and pretend to be the grassroots.
Americans for Prosperity really has some deep roots in Ohio right?
looks like talking points were recieved
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"The labor unions don't want you to know these facts because they oppose reform - especially if it means giving up power or loosening their grip on our wallets," said the group's website."

The pro-SB 5 side assumes that people have much more negative feelings about unions than they really have.

They also don't see that many people perceive SB5 as Republicans beating up on the working class, and that sentence from the website just feeds that belief.
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Captain Obvious wrote:
Yawn. Just wake me up at election time so that I can help repeal the damn law.
you must have been asleep for years, not to see the need for this bill; and the future of Ohio.

California is not a good example of a lead to follow.
reality speaks

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last night the US Congress with a landslide vote, voted down the raising of the debt celing.

They have 2.2 trillion to spend; and that is all.

First interest, then military, then whatever is left can be spent on necessary govt function.

Everything else will go unfunded.

Finally a balanced budget.
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Gee - how could you overlooked proposing a balanced budget.
- save the state of Ohio
- preserved jobs
- restored logic
- was not afraid to make unpopular decisions
- demonstrated passion for ideals
- working hard to make it so folks can afford to live in Ohio
- raised awareness that seniority alone is not how folks should be compensated
- amplified that clearly union labor works for the union and their own self interest over the good of the public they are supposed to serve
- proposing folks actually save for their own retirements.
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Hate to tell Building a Better Ohio that Ohio already has the best and the brightest in the classroom, but then again how would they know.By taking away worker's rights they will create jobs.By rolling back wages and having two tiered systems . Not!
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west wrote:
Hey LOOK the Dispatch is reporting on the fringe group that dislikes SB5 AGAIN. Defender of the wealthy indeed.
Good thing folks who want to dismantle public education have such a staunch supporter in this fair and balanced newspaper.
How is reducing expense so more teachers can be employed dismantling public education? UNIONS are turning down raises as to preserve jobs because budgets do not support the wages and benefits that the contracts "require". If the dollars are not there, the only way to balance the budget is to reduce staff and increase student to teachers ratios and thus hurt education.
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I love SB5. It is a dream come true! Cant wait to vote for it in the fall. The idiots on our payroll who think they deserve better than those who are paying them need to get real. This bill, at last, does this.
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Vaughn Flasher to the rescue! Hilarious!
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Who pays the health care for the senators and house of representatives who support SB5? Maybe they should have to pay their FAIR SHARE!
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"The scrap will pit Democrats and union supporters against Republicans, business groups and tea party affiliates."

Really? I am Republican...... well, I guess I WAS a Republican,'cause I sure as heck will NEVER vote for ANY PERSON that supported this bill ever again. Period.

I am done until November.
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Taxpayer wrote:
Gee - how could you overlooked proposing a balanced budget.
- save the state of Ohio
- preserved jobs
- restored logic
- was not afraid to make unpopular decisions
- demonstrated passion for ideals
- working hard to make it so folks can afford to live in Ohio
- raised awareness that seniority alone is not how folks should be compensated
- amplified that clearly union labor works for the union and their own self interest over the good of the public they are supposed to serve
- proposing folks actually save for their own retirements.
You offer a lot of trite platitudes, but not a single specific example. "Restored logic"??? "Demonstrated passion for ideals"??? You desperately want to believe...but the facts aren't there for you.

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