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After months of debate on a proposed concealed carry law, the Ohio gun lobby put its aim on wavering lawmakers, reported ONN's Jim Heath. Full Story
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Matt

Hilliard, OH

#1 May 12, 2011
This law isn't exclusively to "BARS" it includes restaurants such as Applebee's, Buffalo Wild Wings, Chipotle, etc,. Bar owners should educate themselves on the bill instead of reading all of these sensationalist articles stating "Guns allowed in bars." The articles should include that CCW holders AREN'T allowed to drink, AT ALL while carrying in an establishment that serves alcohol. Every state surrounding Ohio allows CCW permit holders to carry into establishments that serve alcohol, and there aren't drunken shootouts and bloodbaths all over the place. The people against these bills, don't know a single thing about it, they see "Guns allowed in bars" and react like ignorant fools.

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Adam

Reynoldsburg, OH

#2 May 12, 2011
If a restaurant does not want anybody conceal carrying on their property, all they have to do is keep that no conceal carry sign on the front door. This law gives restaurants a CHOICE whether or not to allow firearms in places that serve alcohol....The Ohio Restaurant Association is not understanding this point....Now, I've never been to the Garage Bar, but don't plan on being a patron there anyways....However, as for Barcelona Restaurant, which I have been to and used to enjoy once every month or so, I will make sure I NEVER give any of my business to them again...As I'm sure many others won't give them business also!!!!!!!!!
MattGordonMD

Spring Hill, FL

#3 May 12, 2011
Great, now we encourage armed drunks. It is beyond pathetic that civilians with a firearm fantasize about being a hero and thwarting some imagined attack. When the first incident of a barroom argument ends with someone "feeling threatened" and shooting to death a fellow drunk, at least we know to thank the politicians and the gun lobby.

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sjm

Columbus, OH

#4 May 12, 2011
If people believe there are no guns in the bars and restauarants already, they are naive little fools.

Gun laws really only apply to the people (usually the law abiding citizens) who actually care about obeying them to start with. Idiots and criminals aren't noted for their strict adherence to mandates regarding their activities, now are they?

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Pete

Columbus, OH

#5 May 12, 2011
Of course, they never take into account that the people who would cause problems will carry a gun whether or not the law says they can.

"The danger to Law Enforcement is insurmountable."

The actual danger is to the common citizen, as law enforcement is an after-the-fact thing. The chances of a peace officer *witnessing* a crime and preventing it from happening are slim to none. Again, no thought is given to the law-abiding citizen being trained and able to defend themselves against crime. It's easy for police to come to a crime scene, see your dead body, and blather on about how things are "isolated incidents" and "we'll apply our utmost effort to solving this crime." It doesn't do the victim a lot of good....after the fact.

Years ago, I lived in Indiana, and carried a gun all the time. I saw the beginnings of a robbery and intervened, gun in hand (I am ex-military, military police). The perpetrator wheeled on me, taking aim, so, I shot him twice. He died on the scene. The police arrived, took my statement and those of the people in the convenient store, said thank you, and I never heard another thing about the incident.

If more people were empowered to carry firearms, I believe that less crime would be committed, as they criminal would never know who will kill them should they try.

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Amendments

Columbus, OH

#6 May 12, 2011
It's simple, you can't pick which amendments you choose to support. It's kind of an "All or Nothing" thing.

The Libs support the 1st Amendment when it comes to people writing books on how to be a successful pedophile, a terrorist, or some other reprehensible dreg of society. However, they cast no kind eye on the 2nd Amendment, where a citizen of this country, not convicted of a felony, can keep in their possession a weapon to protect their life, liberty and property. This is Liberal hypocrisy at its finest.

If you don't believe me about the pedophile book, google it. It was being sold on Amazon before some smart people had it pulled.
Wolverine

Cumberland, MD

#7 May 12, 2011
Pete wrote:
Of course, they never take into account that the people who would cause problems will carry a gun whether or not the law says they can.
"The danger to Law Enforcement is insurmountable."
The actual danger is to the common citizen, as law enforcement is an after-the-fact thing. The chances of a peace officer *witnessing* a crime and preventing it from happening are slim to none. Again, no thought is given to the law-abiding citizen being trained and able to defend themselves against crime. It's easy for police to come to a crime scene, see your dead body, and blather on about how things are "isolated incidents" and "we'll apply our utmost effort to solving this crime." It doesn't do the victim a lot of good....after the fact.
Years ago, I lived in Indiana, and carried a gun all the time. I saw the beginnings of a robbery and intervened, gun in hand (I am ex-military, military police). The perpetrator wheeled on me, taking aim, so, I shot him twice. He died on the scene. The police arrived, took my statement and those of the people in the convenient store, said thank you, and I never heard another thing about the incident.
If more people were empowered to carry firearms, I believe that less crime would be committed, as they criminal would never know who will kill them should they try.
Thank you for your service. From an 11 1/2 year MP veteran. Also thanks for taking some civilian trash out.
Wolverine

Cumberland, MD

#8 May 12, 2011
MattGordonMD wrote:
Great, now we encourage armed drunks. It is beyond pathetic that civilians with a firearm fantasize about being a hero and thwarting some imagined attack. When the first incident of a barroom argument ends with someone "feeling threatened" and shooting to death a fellow drunk, at least we know to thank the politicians and the gun lobby.
In this country more people die from stupid mistakes made by doctors, than by citizens with CCW. Thanks for playing, you over educated idiot. Freedom really is a simple concept.
Jake

Columbus, OH

#9 May 12, 2011
I'd like to point out an inaccuracy within this article:

"The concealed weapons bill is not new. Democrats defeated it in the legislature late last year"

The legislature was not defeated by Democrats late last year. One Democrat acted on his own personal vendetta and against the will of the people and never scheduled the bills to a vote despite overwhelming support in both houses. This bill was also promised to be signed by the then Democrat governor.
robert

United States

#10 May 12, 2011
Everyone said it would be the wild west in ohio when it passed in the first place, and guess what, nothing happened. People who have a ccw are not the type of people that drink by the gallon and stir up fights in the bars anyway. Anyone that thinks that does not know anyone with a ccw. I hope any shop owner that sticks that stupid no ccw on premises sign gets shot by a true criminal. People with ccw are on your side.
seriously

Chillicothe, OH

#11 May 12, 2011
Why do you want your gun hidden under your shirt in a bar? C'mon. We don't want Barney Fife justice. It's just another thing for bar and restaurant owners and servers to worry about while the drunks drink. This is not about rights. This should be about common sense. And guns and liquor are a dumb combination.

Since: Aug 10

Plain City, OH

#12 May 12, 2011
I guess owners could ask for gun checks. But this is silly. There's no need for guns in such places. And I can;t believe people think it's a good idea to allow guns in cars. Might as well just give guns to people who are going to do awful things since a car's not a secure place.

Since: Aug 10

Plain City, OH

#13 May 12, 2011
robert wrote:
Everyone said it would be the wild west in ohio when it passed in the first place, and guess what, nothing happened. People who have a ccw are not the type of people that drink by the gallon and stir up fights in the bars anyway. Anyone that thinks that does not know anyone with a ccw. I hope any shop owner that sticks that stupid no ccw on premises sign gets shot by a true criminal. People with ccw are on your side.
If that's the case, then why need a law for ccw in such establishments then? Their guns aren't needed.

And wishing harm on others because they don't agree with you is a terrible thing to do.
Louiston

Des Moines, IA

#14 May 12, 2011
seriously wrote:
Why do you want your gun hidden under your shirt in a bar? C'mon. We don't want Barney Fife justice. It's just another thing for bar and restaurant owners and servers to worry about while the drunks drink. This is not about rights. This should be about common sense. And guns and liquor are a dumb combination.
What do people driking have to do with concealed carry permit holders in a bar/restaurant?
Louiston

Des Moines, IA

#15 May 12, 2011
Sakkano wrote:
I guess owners could ask for gun checks. But this is silly. There's no need for guns in such places.
It's called the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs or the Bill of What Sakkano Says You Need.
Sakkano wrote:
And I can;t believe people think it's a good idea to allow guns in cars.
Right. Because carjackings never occur, huh> Or woman are never attacked getting into or out of there car, huh?
Sakkano wrote:
Might as well just give guns to people who are going to do awful things since a car's not a secure place.
People do awful things without guns every day. Or is it only firearm related trouble that merits your concern?
Louiston

Des Moines, IA

#16 May 12, 2011
Sakkano wrote:
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If that's the case, then why need a law for ccw in such establishments then? Their guns aren't needed.
Who's guns aren't neeed?
Sakkano wrote:
And wishing harm on others because they don't agree with you is a terrible thing to do.
And predicting doom & gloom, wild west BS, and mass shootings in bars as a result of this legislation is a terrible thing to do.
Sophie

San Francisco, CA

#17 May 12, 2011
"Law enforcement agencies across the state testified against the bill.

"I am kind of appalled they keep coming back to these issues...it just comes down to the fact that these are absolutely huge safety issues for law enforcement everywhere," said Fraternal Order of Police spokesman Mark Frum.

Gun advocates say all the safety concern is overblown."

Then let all the so called "gun advocates," become cops and live in the real world. The NRA is really pulling the strings in this country, and politicians are pandering to them. Gun lobby anyone?
Pathetic.
Justone

Hilliard, OH

#18 May 12, 2011
The leaders in Ohio are more retarded than the people on the goodwill car auction commercial. Only negative things can come from this.
Wolverine

Cumberland, MD

#19 May 12, 2011
Justone wrote:
The leaders in Ohio are more retarded than the people on the goodwill car auction commercial. Only negative things can come from this.
You are a hysterical idiot. Freedom really is a simple concept.
Wolverine

Cumberland, MD

#20 May 12, 2011
Sophie wrote:
"Law enforcement agencies across the state testified against the bill.
"I am kind of appalled they keep coming back to these issues...it just comes down to the fact that these are absolutely huge safety issues for law enforcement everywhere," said Fraternal Order of Police spokesman Mark Frum.
Gun advocates say all the safety concern is overblown."
Then let all the so called "gun advocates," become cops and live in the real world. The NRA is really pulling the strings in this country, and politicians are pandering to them. Gun lobby anyone?
Pathetic.
I am the NRA (along with 3,999,999 other honest citizens), you hysterical moron.

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