Freshman congressman who attacked health-care reform now has question: Where's my health care?

A conservative Maryland physician elected to Congress on an anti-Obamacare platform surprised fellow freshmen at a Monday orientation session by demanding to know why his government-subsidized health care plan takes a month to kick in. Full Story
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Since: May 10

Salinas, CA

#273 Nov 27, 2010
Buzz Lightly wrote:
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Soros was a 13-year-old Hungarian Jew. Losing his "cover" would mean certain death. His protector had the job of disposing of some property belonging to a wealthy Jewish family who had bribed their way out of the country. Soros went along on that trip. Soros's only known "collaboration" was to deliver eviction papers to some Jewish lawyers on behalf of the Jewish Council. He also delivered those lawyers a warning to not report as ordered since it meant "deportation."
Ratzinger was an "Aryan" teen-ager, three years older than Soros, who faced virtually no consequences for failing to go along with the Nazis.
Agreed!

“Liberty and Justice for ALL!”

Since: Jun 10

Bloomington, MN

#274 Nov 29, 2010
HERE is why we need a change:

Average Life Expectancy in Years:

Australia: 81.4
Canada: 81.3
France: 81.0
Germany: 79.8
Japan: 82.6
Sweden: 81.0
UK: 79.1
US 78.1

People in virtually all other industrialized nations live longer than in the US. That would be tough to do if their health care wasn't decent.

Infant mortality rate (infant deaths per thousand):

Australia: 4.2
Canada: 4.5
France: 4.0
Germany: 3.8
Japan: 2.6
Sweden: 2.5
UK: 4.8
US 6.9

The infant mortality rate in the US is WAY higher than in most major industrialized countries - 53% higher than in Canada! This is an important measure of the quality and availablility of health care.

The number of physicians per 1000 people:

Australia: 2.8
Canada: 2.2
France: 3.4
Germany: 3.5
Japan: 2.1
Sweden: 3.6
UK: 2.5
US 2.4

Doctors in other countries make less than in the US. Yet there is no shortage of doctors in other countries.

Now let's look at cost:

Per capita expenditure on health (in US dollars):
Australia: 3,137
Canada: 3,895
France: 3,601
Germany: 3,588
Japan: 2,581
Sweden: 3,323
UK: 2,992
US 7,290

Holy crap! The US health care cost per person is over TWICE what it is in most other major industrialized nations!

The source for the stas is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_C... (scroll about 2/3 of the way down the page to the Comparison section).

Since: May 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#275 Nov 30, 2010
Le Jumbo wrote:
HERE is why we need a change:
Average Life Expectancy in Years:
Australia: 81.4
Canada: 81.3
France: 81.0
Germany: 79.8
Japan: 82.6
Sweden: 81.0
UK: 79.1
US 78.1
People in virtually all other industrialized nations live longer than in the US. That would be tough to do if their health care wasn't decent.
Infant mortality rate (infant deaths per thousand):
Australia: 4.2
Canada: 4.5
France: 4.0
Germany: 3.8
Japan: 2.6
Sweden: 2.5
UK: 4.8
US 6.9
The infant mortality rate in the US is WAY higher than in most major industrialized countries - 53% higher than in Canada! This is an important measure of the quality and availablility of health care.
The number of physicians per 1000 people:
Australia: 2.8
Canada: 2.2
France: 3.4
Germany: 3.5
Japan: 2.1
Sweden: 3.6
UK: 2.5
US 2.4
Doctors in other countries make less than in the US. Yet there is no shortage of doctors in other countries.
Now let's look at cost:
Per capita expenditure on health (in US dollars):
Australia: 3,137
Canada: 3,895
France: 3,601
Germany: 3,588
Japan: 2,581
Sweden: 3,323
UK: 2,992
US 7,290
Holy crap! The US health care cost per person is over TWICE what it is in most other major industrialized nations!
The source for the stas is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_C... (scroll about 2/3 of the way down the page to the Comparison section).
Good post.

Now, what do we have to do to get people to focus on HEALTH instead of sickness treatment costs. Wouldn't it be interesting if we put a little energy into things like diet and exercise and all the things that make people more healthy throughout their lives and ---- ta da!---- less in need of expensive medical care.

But that brings too much personal responsibility into the equation and suggests that perhaps major suppliers of "food", snacks, fertilizers, pesticides, etc. might get upset. Besides sugar, fat, salt and corn syrup taste soooo yummy who cares about the impact on our bodies, our kids, and our overall costs of treatment.
Rino

Minneapolis, MN

#276 Nov 30, 2010
seazen wrote:
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Good post.
Now, what do we have to do to get people to focus on HEALTH instead of sickness treatment costs. Wouldn't it be interesting if we put a little energy into things like diet and exercise and all the things that make people more healthy throughout their lives and ---- ta da!---- less in need of expensive medical care.
But that brings too much personal responsibility into the equation and suggests that perhaps major suppliers of "food", snacks, fertilizers, pesticides, etc. might get upset. Besides sugar, fat, salt and corn syrup taste soooo yummy who cares about the impact on our bodies, our kids, and our overall costs of treatment.
You can't legislate good health. If someone wants to sit on the couch eating a bag of chips watching dancing with the stars, you can't stop them, unless you are planning on putting junk food producers out of buisness and restricting TV for everyone (i.e. no TV/video between 6 and 8pm, actually maybe they could cut the power and we would have to work out to stay warm...)

Since: May 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#277 Nov 30, 2010
Rino wrote:
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You can't legislate good health. If someone wants to sit on the couch eating a bag of chips watching dancing with the stars, you can't stop them, unless you are planning on putting junk food producers out of buisness and restricting TV for everyone (i.e. no TV/video between 6 and 8pm, actually maybe they could cut the power and we would have to work out to stay warm...)
First of all, I don't think I suggested that anyone could "legislate good health." What I did say was that the country as a whole could, in fact, focus its attention on the causes of poor health and high medical costs rather than on the horrific costs of not doing that.

Secondly, we need to be clear that we all are paying dearly for a society that is "choosing" to eat poorly and not exercise. The coming diabetes epidemic is going to be tragic for the victims and will make total healthcare costs soar.

Third, I see no reason why we cannot insist that the full set of ingredients and additives be clearly listed on all food products or that what we feed children in schools be healthy. Unless, of course, we actually have no concern about our collective health and the costs associated with a very unhealthy society.
Health Care Reform

Minneapolis, MN

#279 Nov 30, 2010
JoeShmoe wrote:
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This remark from a typical "Rush Limpnuts" listener.
Go figure.
Nothing like a swift "backpeddle" is there pal!
The GOP has no real argument with the health care plan - in fact, they introduced a very similar plan years earlier - and Mitt Romney sign into law a very similar plan in Massachusetts - so they resort to fear mongering and name calling.

The GOP is on record as saying they would oppose ANYTHING that Obama and the Democrats propose, regardless of whether it is in our country's best interests. That is unpatriotic at best and treasonous at worst.

“Liberty and Justice for ALL!”

Since: Jun 10

Bloomington, MN

#280 Nov 30, 2010
seazen wrote:
<quoted text>
Good post.
Now, what do we have to do to get people to focus on HEALTH instead of sickness treatment costs. Wouldn't it be interesting if we put a little energy into things like diet and exercise and all the things that make people more healthy throughout their lives and ---- ta da!---- less in need of expensive medical care.
But that brings too much personal responsibility into the equation and suggests that perhaps major suppliers of "food", snacks, fertilizers, pesticides, etc. might get upset. Besides sugar, fat, salt and corn syrup taste soooo yummy who cares about the impact on our bodies, our kids, and our overall costs of treatment.
Did you notice the thousands of TV ads that American soda pop manufacturers purchased this election season? The created a front organization called 'Americans Against Food Taxes' and ran these cheesy commercials where a woman shopping cliams that the government wants to tell her what to eat.

Coke and Pepsi financed this - they are deathly afraid that taxes on sugared soft drinks will be next. Sounds like a good idea to me!
Porkulus

Minneapolis, MN

#281 Nov 30, 2010
What Soviet Medicine Teaches US

http://mises.org/story/3650

So, as in all countries with socialized medicine, a two-tier system was created: one for the "gray masses" and the other, with a completely different level of service, for the bureaucrats and their intellectual servants. In the USSR, it was often the case that while workers and peasants were dying in the state hospitals, the medicine and equipment that could save their lives was sitting unused in the nomenklatura system.

At the end of the socialist experiment, the official infant-mortality rate in Russia was more than 2.5 times as high as in the United States and more than five times that of Japan. The rate of 24.5 deaths per 1,000 live births was questioned recently by several deputies to the Russian Parliament, who claim that it is seven times higher than in the United States. This would make the Russian death rate 55 compared to the US rate of 8.1 per 1,000 live births.

The United States has one of the highest rates of the industrialized world only because it counts all dead infants, including premature babies, which is where most of the fatalities occur.

Most countries do not count premature-infant deaths. Some don't count any deaths that occur in the first 72 hours. Some countries don't even count any deaths from the first two weeks of life. In Cuba, which boasts a very low infant-mortality rate, infants are only registered when they are several months old, thereby leaving out of the official statistics all infant deaths that take place within the first several months of life.
Health Care Reform Now

Minneapolis, MN

#283 Nov 30, 2010
Porkulus wrote:
What Soviet Medicine Teaches US
http://mises.org/story/3650
So, as in all countries with socialized medicine, a two-tier system was created: one for the "gray masses" and the other, with a completely different level of service, for the bureaucrats and their intellectual servants. In the USSR, it was often the case that while workers and peasants were dying in the state hospitals, the medicine and equipment that could save their lives was sitting unused in the nomenklatura system.
At the end of the socialist experiment, the official infant-mortality rate in Russia was more than 2.5 times as high as in the United States and more than five times that of Japan. The rate of 24.5 deaths per 1,000 live births was questioned recently by several deputies to the Russian Parliament, who claim that it is seven times higher than in the United States. This would make the Russian death rate 55 compared to the US rate of 8.1 per 1,000 live births.
The United States has one of the highest rates of the industrialized world only because it counts all dead infants, including premature babies, which is where most of the fatalities occur.
Most countries do not count premature-infant deaths. Some don't count any deaths that occur in the first 72 hours. Some countries don't even count any deaths from the first two weeks of life. In Cuba, which boasts a very low infant-mortality rate, infants are only registered when they are several months old, thereby leaving out of the official statistics all infant deaths that take place within the first several months of life.
And this has WHAT to do the our health care debate? Canada and Western Europe use the same method of tabulating infant mortality that the US does, so the figures ARE comparable - and the US infant mortality rate is WAY more than in Canada or Western Europe.

Shame on you for bringing Russia and Cuba into the picture - once again, the right wing extremists are trying to mislead the public.
Peter

Dallas, TX

#285 Nov 30, 2010
Health Care Reform Now wrote:
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And this has WHAT to do the our health care debate? Canada and Western Europe use the same method of tabulating infant mortality that the US does, so the figures ARE comparable - and the US infant mortality rate is WAY more than in Canada or Western Europe.
Shame on you for bringing Russia and Cuba into the picture - once again, the right wing extremists are trying to mislead the public.
I'm sick of you communist jerks trying to destroy our country. We NEED a strong charismatic leader like Hitler now more than ever to restore our country to greatness, and I'm not ashamed to say it! We don't need health care reform - it's fine the way it is, and if you can't afford it, go out and get a job or a second job or have your kid get a paper route. I'm tired of you Soros leeches.
Peter

Dallas, TX

#286 Nov 30, 2010
Le Jumbo wrote:
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Did you notice the thousands of TV ads that American soda pop manufacturers purchased this election season? The created a front organization called 'Americans Against Food Taxes' and ran these cheesy commercials where a woman shopping cliams that the government wants to tell her what to eat.
Coke and Pepsi financed this - they are deathly afraid that taxes on sugared soft drinks will be next. Sounds like a good idea to me!
You are nothing but an a**-kissing commie fag - nothing is more all-american than soda pop and freedom. Once we get the Tea Party moved over to the right, we'll be taking control and all the liberals like McCain and Bush will be history, and the country will be run OUR way - and we won't stand for any of this stupid commie talk - we'll lock you up for treason for even thinking about dissenting online.
Left Out

Forest Lake, MN

#287 Nov 30, 2010
Le Jumbo wrote:
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Did you notice the thousands of TV ads that American soda pop manufacturers purchased this election season? The created a front organization called 'Americans Against Food Taxes' and ran these cheesy commercials where a woman shopping cliams that the government wants to tell her what to eat.
Coke and Pepsi financed this - they are deathly afraid that taxes on sugared soft drinks will be next. Sounds like a good idea to me!
WOW.. you are one sorry human. Sign in and out with two browsers and judge your own comments over and over... what a WEIRDO. You couldn't be more obvious.

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