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Battle Over Senate Bill 5 Continues | Ohio News Network (ONN)

There are 68 comments on the 10TV WBNS story from Feb 24, 2011, titled Battle Over Senate Bill 5 Continues | Ohio News Network (ONN). In it, 10TV WBNS reports that:

The collective bargaining debate has divided the state, primarily along ideological lines.

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Ever Vigilant

United States

#1 Feb 24, 2011
Another example of the REPUBLICANS' "ASSAULT ON AMERICA"; just look at similar acts in Wisconsin, Indiana, New York, & New Jersey...all doing the same under newly elected Republican governors...a move toward a two class society with the elimination of the middle class.

If politicians were not on the payrolls of big business & special interest groups America's problems could be eased by not being the "CASH REGISTER" for the rest of the world at the expense of the American worker. VOTE against foreign aid and the doling out of American monies which could be better used at home and our infrastructure...and especially any state or national politician who does not put the bargaining and living needs of the American worker before foreign interests... Put America First... & KEEP OUR MONEY AT HOME for OUR use!
Simply amazed

Columbus, OH

#2 Feb 24, 2011
How can the average person not see the adherent danger in the police walking off the job to picket? How about firefighters? The fact is, government CANNOT shut down because a workforce decides their already plump package needs to be fattened even more.
If I want a job at a grocery store I must pay some union to represent me weather or not I want them to. It's just not right! I should have a right to work there too, certainly the store does too! No, some jerk at the door is frisking me for money! Just to watch them give it to crooked politicians that give them even more of my tax dollars?
So they give Kasich what he wants. Then some democrat gets elected later. Then we are at square one! But not so easy with a law to resend.
Simply amazed

Columbus, OH

#3 Feb 24, 2011
Why would you want to open a business here in Ohio? These people prove you will be the subject of a shakedown. This is a pure socialist coup!

Learn what these union are up to.... They put this stuff out there for all to see. Their plans are to shut down the Republic and replace it with a democracy. VERY dangerous plans indeed!

“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#4 Feb 24, 2011
Sherrod's more concerned about his union meal ticket and not the people of Ohio. Typical democrat!
Wake Up Society

Columbus, OH

#5 Feb 25, 2011
Simply amazed wrote:
How can the average person not see the adherent danger in the police walking off the job to picket? How about firefighters? The fact is, government CANNOT shut down because a workforce decides their already plump package needs to be fattened even more.
If I want a job at a grocery store I must pay some union to represent me weather or not I want them to. It's just not right! I should have a right to work there too, certainly the store does too! No, some jerk at the door is frisking me for money! Just to watch them give it to crooked politicians that give them even more of my tax dollars?
So they give Kasich what he wants. Then some democrat gets elected later. Then we are at square one! But not so easy with a law to resend.
Totally agree! Not sure why simple economics falls on deaf ears, but it may explain why our society is in a financial crisis if this many people think this way. When will the public workers realize that just because there are checks in the checkbook that there is money to continue to pay out?
Randy Marsh

Grove City, OH

#6 Feb 25, 2011
Ther takin er jeerrrbs!
Cmon

Columbus, OH

#8 Feb 25, 2011
Wake Up Society wrote:
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Totally agree! Not sure why simple economics falls on deaf ears, but it may explain why our society is in a financial crisis if this many people think this way. When will the public workers realize that just because there are checks in the checkbook that there is money to continue to pay out?
If this bill was only about striking police I would tend to agree. Problem is this bill is soooo much more than that. It takes the bad pay and great benefits of ALL public employees in 88 counties and says here, now your benefits suck too. Im not talking about police and firefighters etc Im talking about the low level public employees and they are out there in HUGE numbers!
Smokem if you Gotem

Groveport, OH

#9 Feb 25, 2011
I do not feel bad for anyone today. I feel like you all get what is coming to you. Little by little the rights we have all enjoyed through out our life has been taken away. All because someone did not like something. Where were all of you when they practically killed the small BAR owners when they said you are no longer allowed to smoke indoors? Heck they have almost made a legal event a criminal action. Well good for Ohio and good for all you cry babies that must pay more. I know myself I have never visited a BAR in Ohio since. I also buy my cigerettes in another State. I figure Ohio is losing just north of $350.00 each year in just my taxes alone. This doesn't include what the restaurants loose when we do not patronize them either. Bottom line each time we take away someone's rights we pay for it somewhere. This time it is the government workers, next time who knows but rest asured everyone will pay for all the cry baby lobbist's and cry baby do gooders that want to leave some kind of legacy in their name. Good Luck Everyone! Just keep minding everyone's business and sooner than later it will be your turn to pay.
Bodie

Chillicothe, OH

#10 Feb 25, 2011
Remember the name KEVIN BACON at the polls next time. If the guy even runs for the county line do not ever vote for him. He is lying about public employees and the amount of raises they have received etc and it's time he's sent packing to the unemployment line along with the cow from Springboro Shannon Jones.
workingmom

Columbus, OH

#11 Feb 25, 2011
I am a state worker and we have a NO strike clause in our contract and we have also have been on a pay freeze for 2 years. Another thing we voted for with the pay freeze was 2 weeks off without pay. I haven't heard any of this mentioned and heard that Kasich said that the non-state workers were taking pay cuts. I just wanted to set the record straight. Maybe someone should check into it. They are also talking about tacking on another 2 weeks off without pay, at least that is the rumor.
Sue

Lewis Center, OH

#12 Feb 25, 2011
Simply amazed wrote:
How can the average person not see the adherent danger in the police walking off the job to picket? How about firefighters? The fact is, government CANNOT shut down because a workforce decides their already plump package needs to be fattened even more.
If I want a job at a grocery store I must pay some union to represent me weather or not I want them to. It's just not right! I should have a right to work there too, certainly the store does too! No, some jerk at the door is frisking me for money! Just to watch them give it to crooked politicians that give them even more of my tax dollars?
So they give Kasich what he wants. Then some democrat gets elected later. Then we are at square one! But not so easy with a law to resend.
Make sure to check your facts. Police cannot strike, but use binding arbitration to solve their differences. That means both sides had to accept a decision by a third-part arbitrator. If you are being forced to join a union, find out what your benefits are and use them to get your money's worth. A law can be repealed with a referendum, voted by the people. If this happens in Ohio, you can voice your opinion by voting for or against the referendum. I support your right to support SB 5, but do not agree with you.
Reallycmh

Columbus, OH

#13 Feb 25, 2011
Neocon blow hards think they are going to save money by replacing a labor force that gets paid less than the private sector and is better educated with consultants and scabs.....

I hope this state gets what it deserves
a corrections officer

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Feb 25, 2011
Simply amazed wrote:
How can the average person not see the adherent danger in the police walking off the job to picket? How about firefighters? The fact is, government CANNOT shut down because a workforce decides their already plump package needs to be fattened even more.
If I want a job at a grocery store I must pay some union to represent me weather or not I want them to. It's just not right! I should have a right to work there too, certainly the store does too! No, some jerk at the door is frisking me for money! Just to watch them give it to crooked politicians that give them even more of my tax dollars?
So they give Kasich what he wants. Then some democrat gets elected later. Then we are at square one! But not so easy with a law to resend.
Please understand we state workers have given up more then most dare would. I'm a corrections officer so i will speak alone about what Co's have given up. Now i make $16.35 an hour + benefits. That is what i get from my job. In my job I am consistently around rapist,assault,murder and potential violent criminals. Now we have given up raises,some pay;it equals to one paycheck a year, might not sound like much but lets see you go without one paycheck a year,Bill still come... and we are currently discussing to give up another paycheck. Now have you and could you give up those things? Also would you give up more like john k. is asking? "The joke" john k. plan for corrections is to get rid of unions so he can begin to shut down and reopen facilities as privatized(meaning owned by a company) They will lower correctional officers wages to 12$ if we are lucky they was talking about lowering to min wage. If this happens do you honestly believe experienced better trained corrections officers will stick around placing our life on the line for that? we wont have nearly as decent benefits. There would be no point in all honesty I would take the buy-out they are mandated to offer and go back to school for something in medical field. On to the next thing the joke wants to do. He wants to release all none-violent criminals in order to lower the inmate populous.This means rapist,GSI,Robbery/BNE,drug traffickers all could(will) be given early release. Because there crime there in for is not Violent,is this not a joke? cause I'm not kidding we received a list of crimes from his office of people eligible for early release and these where all on there. Can you honestly say john k. cares about Ohio's civilians or do you think he cares more about $$. You don't see him giving up any of his pay or benefits do you? So why should I? I would have no problem compromising on somethings if our public officials would match us on there scale. we lose our benefits they lose theirs.We take a 4$ pay cut they take 40K pay cut. Most CO's make 16.35, the joke and his staff make 6 figs. stimulate the economy in Ohio by leaving the middle class alone,tax the upper class and stop giving low class so much welfare when they had every opportunity to make something of there lives and have done nothing but squander it away in drugs.
Reallycmh

Columbus, OH

#15 Feb 25, 2011
which is to retire on a bowl of rice and a hardy thank you from a republicon....

so ironic that REAL democracy is happening in the arab world... an area we invaded with no real pull out strategy...

had our country not been so old and paid off.....
cant wait till the baby boomers pass on republigoons would go with them
Jeff

Elyria, OH

#16 Feb 25, 2011
I'm tired of my school district teachers threatening to strike if we don't approve new taxes. Our school buildings are falling apart and no major improvements have been made to them in decades. All the school taxes are paying for are teachers to get raises, nearly free health insurance and a large pension. Senate Bill 5 needs to bring teachers back to a salary and benefits that we can afford. Removing their rights to strike is a good step, but wages reductions, larger employee contributions to their health insurance and 401k retirement plans are needed immediately.
amused

Columbus, OH

#18 Feb 25, 2011
Jeff wrote:
I'm tired of my school district teachers threatening to strike if we don't approve new taxes. Our school buildings are falling apart and no major improvements have been made to them in decades. All the school taxes are paying for are teachers to get raises, nearly free health insurance and a large pension. Senate Bill 5 needs to bring teachers back to a salary and benefits that we can afford. Removing their rights to strike is a good step, but wages reductions, larger employee contributions to their health insurance and 401k retirement plans are needed immediately.
So many people have no idea what they are talking about. Ask a public employee about their retirement funds. It is the equivalent to your social security. We do not get social security. Our health insurance, is not even close to free, and I know of no one except bosses that are getting rich from salaries.
StateWorker1

Philippi, WV

#20 Feb 25, 2011
I would like to add to workingmom's comments, my husband is a State Worker also and yes you are absolutely correct, his wage is not as high as people think, he also was forced to buy 10 days off to "save the State money"(deducted every pay). Additionally, his benefits don't come from the State only his health insurance which he also pays a hefty share of. The remainder of his benefits come from his Union. His Dental, Eye Care etc. are provided by his Union not from taxpayer money but union member money. That may not be the case for "all" State employees but it is in fact the case here.
END TIMES

Columbus, OH

#21 Feb 25, 2011
Kasich is going to deny any and everything, he is an a s s h o l e, he has no balls to meet with police or fire face to face, he has to run to some other issue in Ohio, well if this is important to him, let him serve his a doulbe whole in front of all police and fire, and say it. The other is issue is this, I would say ok lets do this if he really believes collective bargaining and that is a issue, to the econonmy if you change that law be willing to put in there that the economy and the k budget for Ohio has to be less the 1 million in debt by 2013, and if not then collective barganing as we know it today would come back into law as it is written now, along with that, that it may never ever be changed or challanged ever again, by an law maker or Governor in OHio,do that John can you if not , then that tells us all that you know that your only trying to weaken the unions.
Walker Kasich 2012

New York, NY

#22 Feb 25, 2011
The headline is wrong. The battle does not continue. The battle is over and Kasich, the Republicans and the taxpayers have already won.
REDWHTNBLU

Upper Sandusky, OH

#23 Feb 25, 2011
LOUSEY WORKERS NEED A UNION TO PROTECT THEIR JOBS FOR A PRICE. THEY GRAVITATE TOWARDS GOVT. JOBS. THE WORST COMBINATION.

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