Congress targets federal workers for savings

Feb 21, 2012 Full story: Seattle Post-Intelligencer 20

Federal workers were $15 billion losers as Congress looked for ways to pay for parts of the just-passed legislation to extend the payroll tax cut and federal unemployment benefits through the end of the year.

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Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#1 Feb 21, 2012
Hey, anyone in the vanishing Middle Class is fair game. If they don't like the cuts, they should get off their lazy asses and become VULTURE CAPITALISTS.

"First they came for the trade unionists..."

Any police or firefighters belong to unions?

LOL

You're not to far behind. The Romneys have their private security and protection. They don't need your help. YOU'RE FIRED!
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#2 Feb 21, 2012
What's good for States and cities is good for the Feds! Join us in the downward spiral to a Chinese standard of living where a small percentage can now afford indoor toilets with running water.

“i hope we can change this!”

Since: Aug 08

usa

#3 Feb 21, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
What's good for States and cities is good for the Feds! Join us in the downward spiral to a Chinese standard of living where a small percentage can now afford indoor toilets with running water.
thanks to your pal, obama.
alternetive meds

Hanoi, Vietnam

#4 Feb 21, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
What's good for States and cities is good for the Feds! Join us in the downward spiral to a Chinese standard of living where a small percentage can now afford indoor toilets with running water.
john deereborn, MI ;)
Questioner

Llano, TX

#5 Feb 21, 2012
Anyone want to bet that Congress will start by cutting their own salaries and benefits?

Naw, they just target the helpless workers, Congress doesn't lead by example, they are the privilaged class.

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#7 Feb 21, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
Hey, anyone in the vanishing Middle Class is fair game. If they don't like the cuts, they should get off their lazy asses and become VULTURE CAPITALISTS.
"First they came for the trade unionists..."
Any police or firefighters belong to unions?
LOL
You're not to far behind. The Romneys have their private security and protection. They don't need your help. YOU'RE FIRED!
I believe we are only a couple generations away from a two class country. There will be rich and there will be poor. There will be no more middle class. Not everyone can or will be rich. If your children don't make it into that strata, sadly they will struggle the rest of their lives.

During the past 30 years, EVERYTHING that has happened has been manipulated towards this point. College, retirement plans, housing, jobs, politics,....it has all been a means of sucking the life blood from the middle class. The poor have nothing to give, but the middle class is that group with just enough to keep it going, to keep it hoping, but with no real protection or power to control its future.

I have watched the gap between the working class and the "wealthy" stretch out of sight. There's no jealousy about it, just a healthy dose of suspicion that so much can be collected at the top while so little comes to everyone else - and it even comes with a sense of condescension and criticism.

It hasn't always been like this. Many of our fathers went to war and then came home and worked hard for businesses that treated them with respect and dignity. Our fathers thought those same businesses would be their for their children.

But they aren't. Those businesses see us as necessary evil and would like nothing more than to replace us with workers who will do excellent work for little or nothing. The rewards for us are few, yet we watch a handful of people at these companies grow rich beyond even THEIR wildest dreams. We listen to political pundits talk about the lazy, the worthless, the unsuccessful, the uneducated. What they are really saying is the 'unrich'. If YOU are not a multi-millionaire then you, my friend, are who Limbaugh and Hannity are referring to.

They are referring to the teachers, the police officers, the firemen, the truck drivers, the plumbers, the electricians, the secretaries, the bus drivers, the librarians.....Those of us who work a REAL job are the ones Republicans want to destroy, and they are doing everything humanly possible to make that happen.

And I believe it will happen. They will eventually gain control and when they do, the workers of this country and their children and grandchildren will be tossed by the wayside. If you think you're struggling now, you ain't seen nothing yet.
jeebus

Albuquerque, NM

#9 Feb 21, 2012
poor poor federal employees are asked to put more money in their retirement plans instead of their employer footing the bill. This administration increased the federal workforce by 100,000 workers and a large portion of federal employees earn 6 figures. So, the taxpayer pays their salaries, pays for their retirement and they are 'gasp' asked to put some money into their own retirement funds. How unfair .... I wish my employer would pay my portion of my 401k so I could take home more money too, but it isn't going to happen. Kinda hard to feel sorry for these overpaid burocratic whiners.
Questioner

Llano, TX

#10 Feb 21, 2012
PayThat CEO wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe we are only a couple generations away from a two class country. There will be rich and there will be poor. There will be no more middle class. Not everyone can or will be rich. If your children don't make it into that strata, sadly they will struggle the rest of their lives...
If you think you're struggling now, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Are you implying that policies such as:
repealing the inheritance tax, dumbing down k-12 education and making higher education expensive are class warfare? How about taxing wages and salaries at a higher rate than investment income and reversing the progressitivty of the income tax (of course a consumption tax, a sales tax, is better; it is more regressive). Is reducing the right to "peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" needing limits and, of course, should Americans be constrained by law NOT have the right to address grievances with a business or corporation? Is "involuntary servitude" permissable if it is necessary to keep the rabble in their place?
Does the elite leadership in the US really believe in equality and freedom? Do you?

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#12 Feb 21, 2012
Questioner wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you implying that policies such as:
repealing the inheritance tax, dumbing down k-12 education and making higher education expensive are class warfare? How about taxing wages and salaries at a higher rate than investment income and reversing the progressitivty of the income tax (of course a consumption tax, a sales tax, is better; it is more regressive). Is reducing the right to "peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" needing limits and, of course, should Americans be constrained by law NOT have the right to address grievances with a business or corporation? Is "involuntary servitude" permissable if it is necessary to keep the rabble in their place?
Does the elite leadership in the US really believe in equality and freedom? Do you?
You're absolutely right, but like I said earlier..the middle class has no power and no protection. What are we going to do about it?

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#13 Feb 21, 2012
jeebus wrote:
poor poor federal employees are asked to put more money in their retirement plans instead of their employer footing the bill. This administration increased the federal workforce by 100,000 workers and a large portion of federal employees earn 6 figures. So, the taxpayer pays their salaries, pays for their retirement and they are 'gasp' asked to put some money into their own retirement funds. How unfair .... I wish my employer would pay my portion of my 401k so I could take home more money too, but it isn't going to happen. Kinda hard to feel sorry for these overpaid burocratic whiners.
Paying for the mail carrier's retirement doesn't bother half as much as paying for anything Congress gets. These a-holes are so rich they could pay their own way, but they have to power to vote themselves the best of everything, including raises. How many of the rest of us can do that?
Independant Voter

Miami, FL

#14 Feb 21, 2012
PayThat CEO wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe we are only a couple generations away from a two class country. There will be rich and there will be poor. There will be no more middle class. Not everyone can or will be rich. If your children don't make it into that strata, sadly they will struggle the rest of their lives.
During the past 30 years, EVERYTHING that has happened has been manipulated towards this point. College, retirement plans, housing, jobs, politics,....it has all been a means of sucking the life blood from the middle class. The poor have nothing to give, but the middle class is that group with just enough to keep it going, to keep it hoping, but with no real protection or power to control its future.
I have watched the gap between the working class and the "wealthy" stretch out of sight. There's no jealousy about it, just a healthy dose of suspicion that so much can be collected at the top while so little comes to everyone else - and it even comes with a sense of condescension and criticism.
It hasn't always been like this. Many of our fathers went to war and then came home and worked hard for businesses that treated them with respect and dignity. Our fathers thought those same businesses would be their for their children.
But they aren't. Those businesses see us as necessary evil and would like nothing more than to replace us with workers who will do excellent work for little or nothing. The rewards for us are few, yet we watch a handful of people at these companies grow rich beyond even THEIR wildest dreams. We listen to political pundits talk about the lazy, the worthless, the unsuccessful, the uneducated. What they are really saying is the 'unrich'. If YOU are not a multi-millionaire then you, my friend, are who Limbaugh and Hannity are referring to.
They are referring to the teachers, the police officers, the firemen, the truck drivers, the plumbers, the electricians, the secretaries, the bus drivers, the librarians.....Those of us who work a REAL job are the ones Republicans want to destroy, and they are doing everything humanly possible to make that happen.
And I believe it will happen. They will eventually gain control and when they do, the workers of this country and their children and grandchildren will be tossed by the wayside. If you think you're struggling now, you ain't seen nothing yet.
During the past 30 years, the rest of the world has been catching up to our industralized state. No country took better advantage of the Industrial Revolution, and no country did better coming out of WWII. But time and technology has leveled the global playing field, and that does mean some painful adjustments are in store. We've spent the last 30 years borrowing and leveraging to put off this day of reckoning. It looks like that day has finally arrived.

You can vote Democrat straight down the ticket, it won't change the macroeconomic realities of today's and tomorrow's world. This is much bigger than political party shenanigans. Anyone that tells you they can change global realities is a fool. We can only change how we respond.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#15 Feb 21, 2012
PayThat CEO wrote:
<quoted text>
You're absolutely right, but like I said earlier..the middle class has no power and no protection. What are we going to do about it?
Keep exposing the Fascist conservatives and how they garnered so musch power, PASS IT ON! DO YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY pass the links on! Circle of 13: The Bankers' Manifesto of 1892
Nov 24, 2008 ... Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. revealed the Bankers Manifesto of 1892 to the U.S. Congress somewhere between 1907 and 1917.

http://circleof13.blogspot.com/2008/11/banker ...- 519k - The Creature from Jekyll Island, The Federal Reserve, talk by ...
I think the best place to begin is with the formation of the "creature from Jekyll Island"; the creation of the Federal Reserve. It takes me back to the title of the book ...

http://bigeye.com/griffin.htm - 101k - HOW THE WORLD REALLY WORKS
Creature from Jekyll Island, The - the creation of the Federal Reserve - G. Edward Griffin ... Clash of Civilizations, The - Samuel P. Huntington .... George H W Bush: The Unauthorized Biography - Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin ...

http://howtheworldreallyworks.info/ - 135k - Bush served on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland Samuel P. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Samuel Prescott Bush (October 4, 1863 February 8, 1948) was an American industrialist and entrepreneur, and the patriarch of the Bush political family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_P._Bush - 48k -Prescott Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Prescott Sheldon Bush (May 15, 1895 October 8, 1972) was a Wall Street executive banker and a United States Senator, representing Connecticut from 1952 ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush - 84k - Cached - Similar pages
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news ...
Sep 25, 2004 ... Prescott Bush, a 6ft 4in charmer with a rich singing voice, was the founder of the Bush political dynasty and was once considered a potential ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/u ...- 126k - If It's True That Allen Dulles & Prescott Bush Fingered the Murder ...
Jun 14, 2008 ... And an attempted coup in 1933 orchestrated by Prescott Bush, Avery Harriman,... Now D&P claims that the SCOTUS played a role in putting Bush in the WH in.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/ ...- Nixon: Created & Sponsored from the very beginning by Prescott Bush
Oct 24, 2010 ... Nixon: Created & Sponsored from the very beginning by Prescott Bush... Are you surprised??? Well, you'd better get over it, in a Hurry.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...- 96k - Cached - Similar pages
BUSH _ REPULICAN SHADOW GOVERNMENT
Prescot Bush was IKE-Nixon's Campaign manager. The Checkers speech was denying his association with The Shrub file. Bush Nixon VP orchestrated the ...

http://raenergy.igc.org/BushDynasty.html - 40k -
A Nnoyed

Europe

#16 Feb 21, 2012
Independant Voter wrote:
<quoted text>
During the past 30 years, the rest of the world has been catching up to our industralized state. No country took better advantage of the Industrial Revolution, and no country did better coming out of WWII. But time and technology has leveled the global playing field, and that does mean some painful adjustments are in store. We've spent the last 30 years borrowing and leveraging to put off this day of reckoning. It looks like that day has finally arrived.
You can vote Democrat straight down the ticket, it won't change the macroeconomic realities of today's and tomorrow's world. This is much bigger than political party shenanigans. Anyone that tells you they can change global realities is a fool. We can only change how we respond.
Thanks. I've been saying the same for ages.

At least there's two of us.

Good luck.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#17 Feb 21, 2012
A Nnoyed wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks. I've been saying the same for ages.
At least there's two of us.
Good luck.
The blackmail and extortion ring is just to powerful to enable the exposer of it all. Washington Times Headline June 29, 1989 | NowPublic Photo ...
Mar 2, 2005 ... Washington Times Headline June 29, 1989 by salsa. Original file can be found at http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com/spence.htm... ...

http://www.nowpublic.com/washington_times_hea... - 42k -

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#18 Feb 21, 2012
Independant Voter wrote:
<quoted text>
During the past 30 years, the rest of the world has been catching up to our industralized state. No country took better advantage of the Industrial Revolution, and no country did better coming out of WWII. But time and technology has leveled the global playing field, and that does mean some painful adjustments are in store. We've spent the last 30 years borrowing and leveraging to put off this day of reckoning. It looks like that day has finally arrived.
You can vote Democrat straight down the ticket, it won't change the macroeconomic realities of today's and tomorrow's world. This is much bigger than political party shenanigans. Anyone that tells you they can change global realities is a fool. We can only change how we respond.
So what do YOU suggest?

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#19 Feb 21, 2012
rider wrote:
<quoted text> Keep exposing the Fascist conservatives and how they garnered so musch power, PASS IT ON! DO YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY pass the links on! Circle of 13: The Bankers' Manifesto of 1892
Nov 24, 2008 ... Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. revealed the Bankers Manifesto of 1892 to the U.S. Congress somewhere between 1907 and 1917.
http://circleof13.blogspot.com/2008/11/banker ...- 519k - The Creature from Jekyll Island, The Federal Reserve, talk by ...
I think the best place to begin is with the formation of the "creature from Jekyll Island"; the creation of the Federal Reserve. It takes me back to the title of the book ...
http://bigeye.com/griffin.htm - 101k - HOW THE WORLD REALLY WORKS
Creature from Jekyll Island, The - the creation of the Federal Reserve - G. Edward Griffin ... Clash of Civilizations, The - Samuel P. Huntington .... George H W Bush: The Unauthorized Biography - Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin ...
http://howtheworldreallyworks.info/ - 135k - Bush served on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland Samuel P. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Samuel Prescott Bush (October 4, 1863 February 8, 1948) was an American industrialist and entrepreneur, and the patriarch of the Bush political family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_P._Bush - 48k -Prescott Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Prescott Sheldon Bush (May 15, 1895 October 8, 1972) was a Wall Street executive banker and a United States Senator, representing Connecticut from 1952 ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush - 84k - Cached - Similar pages
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news ...
Sep 25, 2004 ... Prescott Bush, a 6ft 4in charmer with a rich singing voice, was the founder of the Bush political dynasty and was once considered a potential ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/u ...- 126k - If It's True That Allen Dulles & Prescott Bush Fingered the Murder ...
Jun 14, 2008 ... And an attempted coup in 1933 orchestrated by Prescott Bush, Avery Harriman,... Now D&P claims that the SCOTUS played a role in putting Bush in the WH in.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/ ...- Nixon: Created & Sponsored from the very beginning by Prescott Bush
Oct 24, 2010 ... Nixon: Created & Sponsored from the very beginning by Prescott Bush... Are you surprised??? Well, you'd better get over it, in a Hurry.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...- 96k - Cached - Similar pages
BUSH _ REPULICAN SHADOW GOVERNMENT
Prescot Bush was IKE-Nixon's Campaign manager. The Checkers speech was denying his association with The Shrub file. Bush Nixon VP orchestrated the ...
http://raenergy.igc.org/BushDynasty.html - 40k -
Not enough. Simply forwarding information isn't going to do enough. In an era of overwhelming information, it's all there for all of us to explore and research.

What will end up happening (and exploding gas prices will probably be the catalyst) is that more and more people will begin to lose ground. Millions of young people will be deep in education debt. Millions of families will be struggling to survive. As this population grows, so will the anger and discontent. THIS is when you will see radical revolution and THAT is when you will begin to see serious and much needed changes.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#21 Feb 21, 2012
rider wrote:
<quoted text> Keep exposing the Fascist conservatives and how they garnered so musch power, PASS IT ON! DO YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY pass the links on! Circle of 13: The Bankers' Manifesto of 1892
Nov 24, 2008 ... Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. revealed the Bankers Manifesto of 1892 to the U.S. Congress somewhere between 1907 and 1917.
http://circleof13.blogspot.com/2008/11/banker ...- 519k - The Creature from Jekyll Island, The Federal Reserve, talk by ...
I think the best place to begin is with the formation of the "creature from Jekyll Island"; the creation of the Federal Reserve. It takes me back to the title of the book ...
http://bigeye.com/griffin.htm - 101k - HOW THE WORLD REALLY WORKS
Creature from Jekyll Island, The - the creation of the Federal Reserve - G. Edward Griffin ... Clash of Civilizations, The - Samuel P. Huntington .... George H W Bush: The Unauthorized Biography - Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin ...
http://howtheworldreallyworks.info/ - 135k - Bush served on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland Samuel P. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Samuel Prescott Bush (October 4, 1863 February 8, 1948) was an American industrialist and entrepreneur, and the patriarch of the Bush political family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_P._Bush - 48k -Prescott Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Prescott Sheldon Bush (May 15, 1895 October 8, 1972) was a Wall Street executive banker and a United States Senator, representing Connecticut from 1952 ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush - 84k - Cached - Similar pages
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news ...
Sep 25, 2004 ... Prescott Bush, a 6ft 4in charmer with a rich singing voice, was the founder of the Bush political dynasty and was once considered a potential ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/u ...- 126k - If It's True That Allen Dulles & Prescott Bush Fingered the Murder ...
Jun 14, 2008 ... And an attempted coup in 1933 orchestrated by Prescott Bush, Avery Harriman,... Now D&P claims that the SCOTUS played a role in putting Bush in the WH in.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/ ...- Nixon: Created & Sponsored from the very beginning by Prescott Bush
Oct 24, 2010 ... Nixon: Created & Sponsored from the very beginning by Prescott Bush... Are you surprised??? Well, you'd better get over it, in a Hurry.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...- 96k - Cached - Similar pages
BUSH _ REPULICAN SHADOW GOVERNMENT
Prescot Bush was IKE-Nixon's Campaign manager. The Checkers speech was denying his association with The Shrub file. Bush Nixon VP orchestrated the ...
http://raenergy.igc.org/BushDynasty.html - 40k -
Nice cut-n-paste.... Any original thoughts of your OWN to pass along?

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#22 Feb 21, 2012
PayThat CEO wrote:
<quoted text>
So what do YOU suggest?
Lets tax the dawgsh1t out of those filthy gazillionaires and divvy up the loot between us havn'ts. Tax corporations' obscene profits and split them up for the 99%. Let rhe gubbermint give everybody a job that pays $60,000/yr and benefits.

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#23 Feb 22, 2012
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>Lets tax the dawgsh1t out of those filthy gazillionaires and divvy up the loot between us havn'ts. Tax corporations' obscene profits and split them up for the 99%. Let rhe gubbermint give everybody a job that pays $60,000/yr and benefits.
You're ass obviously received more smarts than your brains. This is what's wrong with America. Too many people unable to create an intelligent thought.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#24 Feb 22, 2012
PayThat CEO wrote:
<quoted text>
You're ass obviously received more smarts than your brains. This is what's wrong with America. Too many people unable to create an intelligent thought.
You don't recognize sarcasm when you see it? I'm parodying the gubbermint loving parasites. THIS is their position.....

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