Gun Control Laws and Legislation: Whe...

Gun Control Laws and Legislation: Where Does Pennsylvania Stand?

There are 784 comments on the Patch.com story from Dec 18, 2012, titled Gun Control Laws and Legislation: Where Does Pennsylvania Stand?. In it, Patch.com reports that:

On the books, Pennsylvania's gun laws are somewhat tougher than those found elsewhere in the United States, according to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence .

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Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#23 Dec 19, 2012
Researcher wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you provide a link to a credible source?
I still haven't seen ANY EVIDENCE whatsoever that an armed civilian stopped a mass shooting. Wishful thinking or word of mouth among gun clubs is not evidence.
Since the vast majority of mass shooting have taken place in “gun free” zones obviously not having armed citizens has not prevented mass shootings.
There are millions of guns out there and trying to disarm those with legal guns is not practical and disarming criminals with illegal guns is impossible. The federal government is telling us that they cannot enforce immigration laws because they have never tried and therefore the laws should be eliminated and all those here illegally need to be given amnesty. It seems to me that enforcing a ban on guns would be a hell of a lot more difficult, not to mention dangerous to do than deporting a few million illegal aliens. Especially since the majority of the people who would be tasked with enforcing the law, police and military, are opposed to banning private gun ownership.
Mass shootings and in fact most violent crimes are a result of failures in our mental health system and the inability of our legal system to supervise and address the issues of those with mental health issues. How many times have we hear the family members of people who hurt others or themselves say they were seeking help but it was unavailable? The latest story from Newtown is that the shooter’s mom was trying to get him committed. Again the system failed.
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#24 Dec 19, 2012
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
Since the vast majority of mass shooting have taken place in “gun free” zones obviously not having armed citizens has not prevented mass shootings.
There are millions of guns out there and trying to disarm those with legal guns is not practical and disarming criminals with illegal guns is impossible. The federal government is telling us that they cannot enforce immigration laws because they have never tried and therefore the laws should be eliminated and all those here illegally need to be given amnesty. It seems to me that enforcing a ban on guns would be a hell of a lot more difficult, not to mention dangerous to do than deporting a few million illegal aliens. Especially since the majority of the people who would be tasked with enforcing the law, police and military, are opposed to banning private gun ownership.
Mass shootings and in fact most violent crimes are a result of failures in our mental health system and the inability of our legal system to supervise and address the issues of those with mental health issues. How many times have we hear the family members of people who hurt others or themselves say they were seeking help but it was unavailable? The latest story from Newtown is that the shooter’s mom was trying to get him committed. Again the system failed.
Well said and spot on.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#25 Dec 19, 2012
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said and spot on.
Sadly this is just going to become another distraction from the real issues that need to be addressed. The number one issue in this country is the economy and the Democrats and the Republicans refuse to take time away from gay marriage, gun control, abortion, global warming, healthcare and a host of other special interest issues that the federal government in many cases shouldn’t even be involved in. The economy affects every American and the entire future of our country and possibly mankind yet the Democrats want to keep printing money and redistributing wealth. Take from the middle clas and give to the poor and rich. On the other hand the Republicans want to cut taxes and spending but not on corporate welfare.
NRA RULES

Riverside, CA

#26 Dec 19, 2012
Biden 2008: If Obama tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem
KeepGitmoOpen

Bryn Mawr, PA

#27 Dec 20, 2012
NRA RULES wrote:
Biden 2008: If Obama tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem
come on now did you see what Biden said about obama being president during the primaries... HE speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Amazes me the hypocrisy of this administration.
Lou

Allentown, PA

#28 Dec 20, 2012
Then we all have to deal with the new and improved Autistic sprectum .

A little goofy----------a lot goofy

Not too much in between beside learned people explaining how the brain is wired .
oh yeah

Virginia Beach, VA

#29 Dec 20, 2012
Linda RN BSN wrote:
<quoted text>
If that same crimal would choose a military base, where large number of idividuals are indeed armed,and could return fire instantly, there would be a different outcome.
You haven't been on many military bases, have you?

A very small number of individuals are actually armed there, and personal weapons are prohibited.

Of course that didn't stop the Ft Hood shooter.......

And also guaranteed no one would be shooting back!
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#30 Dec 20, 2012
oh yeah wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't been on many military bases, have you?
A very small number of individuals are actually armed there, and personal weapons are prohibited.
Of course that didn't stop the Ft Hood shooter.......
And also guaranteed no one would be shooting back!
Most mass shooting occur in "gun free zones" the shooters may be crazy but they are not stupid. They aren’t targeting police stations and gun clubs. They target schools, colleges, churches and other places where they expect little resistance. As in the case of Ft. Hood the shooter targeted the mess hall knowing as a matter of policy that there would be nobody armed in there. Drive by shooting usually happen where the victims are least likely to be armed.
Quirky The Eye

Brighton, CO

#31 Dec 20, 2012
'Fast and Furious' gun found at beauty queen's murder scene

Gun linked to ATF Official

http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/Fast-and-Fur ...
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#32 Dec 21, 2012
Former Gov. Tom Ridge added his voice to the growing chorus calling for more protective gun control laws Wednesday, as legislators and activists across the country continued to react to last week's mass shooting at a Connecticut elementary school.

Former Gov. Tom Ridge Encourages Infrastructure Investment Former Pennsylvania Gov. and former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge.
DAN GLEITER, The Patriot-News, 2012
But while Ridge agreed that assault weapons and high capacity ammunition clips should be banned, the former expert Army marksman and first Homeland Security Secretary warned that any efforts to better protect the public should include measures related to mental health and privacy.

“It's understandable that the initial focus is on the instruments of this tragedy, but if we just focus on some legislation dealing with guns we've failed in our responsibility to take a closer look at these shootings in our schools,” he told The Patriot-News.

“And it's a little more complicated than just bans and background checks,” he added.“People talk about the 2nd Amendment, but they ought to start talking about privacy and whether individuals have a right to keep their own medical history to themselves, or under certain circumstances are obliged to provide it.

“This is a tipping point on mental health and privacy,” Ridge said.“The debate has to be far deeper than assault weapons.”
The fact that our government focuses less on the "mental health" issues than on weapons themselves eludes to the fact that they don't have a clue about what should be done about weapon ownership. Mental health services have been cut drastically, institutions closed so that pharmaceutical companies can peddle their mental health drugs instead. BRILLIANT! Guns are NOT the problem, people are.
Fast and Curious

Allentown, PA

#33 Dec 21, 2012
Who's to blame for our government selling guns to criminals and find these same guns in drug runners hands and the bullets in a border patrol officer ? You got it , our government but we can't find out who authored it or who's willing to take the blame .

Now we get a sort of copycat shooting in geeseytown . Bound to escalate over the Holidays .
All the more reason to have a semi in your home ,away from kids and anyone unstable around you .
fish taco

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#34 Dec 21, 2012
Fast and Curious wrote:
Who's to blame for our government selling guns to criminals and find these same guns in drug runners hands and the bullets in a border patrol officer ? You got it , our government but we can't find out who authored it or who's willing to take the blame .
Now we get a sort of copycat shooting in geeseytown . Bound to escalate over the Holidays .
All the more reason to have a semi in your home ,away from kids and anyone unstable around you .
Fart n Curiositea!! i live yo DOmain name buttt hop Ulike yo nu name!! ;-0000
fish taco

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#35 Dec 21, 2012
CBOW wrote:
Former Gov. Tom Ridge added his voice to the growing chorus calling for more protective gun control laws Wednesday, as legislators and activists across the country continued to react to last week's mass shooting at a Connecticut elementary school.
Former Gov. Tom Ridge Encourages Infrastructure Investment Former Pennsylvania Gov. and former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge.
DAN GLEITER, The Patriot-News, 2012
But while Ridge agreed that assault weapons and high capacity ammunition clips should be banned, the former expert Army marksman and first Homeland Security Secretary warned that any efforts to better protect the public should include measures related to mental health and privacy.
“It's understandable that the initial focus is on the instruments of this tragedy, but if we just focus on some legislation dealing with guns we've failed in our responsibility to take a closer look at these shootings in our schools,” he told The Patriot-News.
“And it's a little more complicated than just bans and background checks,” he added.“People talk about the 2nd Amendment, but they ought to start talking about privacy and whether individuals have a right to keep their own medical history to themselves, or under certain circumstances are obliged to provide it.
“This is a tipping point on mental health and privacy,” Ridge said.“The debate has to be far deeper than assault weapons.”
The fact that our government focuses less on the "mental health" issues than on weapons themselves eludes to the fact that they don't have a clue about what should be done about weapon ownership. Mental health services have been cut drastically, institutions closed so that pharmaceutical companies can peddle their mental health drugs instead. BRILLIANT! Guns are NOT the problem, people are.
C-BOW not TeBOW the jets?!!;-00000
Malcom

Glasgow, KY

#36 Dec 21, 2012
Researcher wrote:
Can anybody provide EVIDENCE, from a credible source, that an armed civilian HAS EVER stopped or even had any effect on a mass shooting?
Answer Texas Bell Tower Sniper

Since: Jan 12

Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

#37 Dec 21, 2012
When Obama was talking about those who cling to their guns and bibles in Pennsylvania he was talking about central and western PA rule of rednecks who vote Republicans/Rick Santorum and NRA members.
Lou

Allentown, PA

#38 Dec 21, 2012
Malcom wrote:
<quoted text> Answer Texas Bell Tower Sniper
,he was shot by an off duty cop that got dressed and went to the scene .
Brave guy but after Whitman was picking people off below the tower and eight blocks away for an hour or so . He also told a shrink some time before the shooting he wanted to do the same thing he finally did . A few texans with guns un their pickup gun rack were firing back but all they did was ding the mortar and concrete up a bit.
I think the cops name was Ramirez , brave guy
NOTthechildren

Pottstown, PA

#39 Dec 21, 2012
Local conservative talking heads are pushing for a national mental health data base which is a violation of hippa and/or patient privacy.

I really don't like the idea of a national data base. Even if it's a few extra dollars the states should do the background checks and check for out of state information on their own.

This is a proverbial foot in the door compromising patient privacy. The foot in the door for gun control won't be as bad as this because this is where conservatives will compromise or even ignore to keep gun intact.

Funny how conservatives rightfully so are against things like a national id card yet push for voter id and probably a NATIONAL mental HEALTH PATIENT data base.

Today it's a mental health data base, tommorow a high cholestoral data base, next week a diabetes data base. Today the data base only open to law enforcement, next week corporate America, the week after that your nosy neighbor.
Sturm Ruger

Allentown, PA

#40 Dec 22, 2012
Another Connecticut gun shop.

Sandy Hook changes how threats are viewed. Used to be pushed under the rug . A few of us carried concealed regardless of the signs . Signs only told Adam no one had a gun inside .
Cat74

United States

#41 Dec 22, 2012
If you send your children to private school there is a good chance the school has weeded out the crazies. They don't have to take the dregs of society. Why should law abiding citizens give up their guns. because you cannot keep your child safe? We are not groups, we are individuals. Make an individual choice for your children, and stop whinning.
What a bunch of dorks

Ames, IA

#42 Dec 23, 2012
The true expression of American freedom is not gun ownership.

The true expression of American freedom is NOT owning a gun.
I am free to make the choice to not own a gun. So I have.
I am an American citizen and I am proud an safe without a gun in my hand.

I believe if you must carry or own a gun to feel safe you are missing the point of freedom. Responsible gun ownership if a right. But it is a right that should be heavily taxed, and a right that requires a great deal of training, the government should be very involved in the personal lives of gun owners.

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