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Bill R

Astoria, OR

#29381 Dec 1, 2012
UIdiotRaceMakeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>I forgot Dark Ages of Christianity to this date Love tool of purging evil by 'Death By Fire" , i say the religion is EVIL!
And of course you have the ISlamic nutty! Msot Religions/politics are scourge on humanity--- EVIL!
Yeah, those reknown benevolent guys, Stalin and Mao
and their fellow atheist travelers cut off the killing
at somewhere around 100,000,000 or so. They make
Christians, Muslims, and all other world religions
look like choirboys. BWAHAHAHA!!!!
UIdiotraceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#29382 Dec 1, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a mountain of information on this subject,
but the book I recalled was written by Arthur Brooks,
a professor at Syracuse University. It is called
"Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About
Compassionate Conservatism."
One fun fact: When Gore was running for President he
gave 00.2% of his income to charitable causes. The
national average showed Conservatives donating
about 30% more ...$1600 vs.$1227.
What surprised me was discovering that conservatives
not only give more time to charitable causes, but
even give more blood.
BWHAHHAAHHAHhhahaaaaaaaa
UIdiotraceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#29383 Dec 1, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, those reknown benevolent guys, Stalin and Mao
and their fellow atheist travelers cut off the killing
at somewhere around 100,000,000 or so. They make
Christians, Muslims, and all other world religions
look like choirboys. BWAHAHAHA!!!!
Worst then both despot combined the Genocide , the many wars.... that is you have 'American HOlocaust" (this white washed from school history books --- EVIL!) and the many American war and war and many wars after wars , since the inception of a Constitutional Republic - I mean militaristic US empire!

Better do research and do a due diligence...
MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHAAA
MWHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAa a.......
UIdiotraceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#29384 Dec 1, 2012
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
Suddenly you have become more coherent! What gives? And if you are paying federal taxes my girlfriend thanks you, as does my wife. Do understand that I also have to pay federal taxes and medicare each and every month.
A two timer!:) BWHHAHHHAAa
Bill R

Astoria, OR

#29385 Dec 1, 2012
UIdiotraceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Worst then both despot combined the Genocide , the many wars.... that is you have 'American HOlocaust" (this white washed from school history books --- EVIL!) and the many American war and war and many wars after wars , since the inception of a Constitutional Republic - I mean militaristic US empire!
Better do research and do a due diligence...
MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHAAA
MWHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAa a.......
Same 'ol drivel gleaned from the same pathetically
predictable sources you treat like the Holy Bible
and the saints themselves. You are the one who
stopped learning once you decided what you wanted
to believe. Radical chic, as in Tom Wolfe.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29386 Dec 1, 2012
UIdiotraceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>A two timer!:) BWHHAHHHAAa
Acually there have been a hell of a lot more than two, but why count, here today gone tomorrow, just have a good time. By the way is is acceptable in Thai society to have one, two or three lesser wives/girlfriends. See all the good things in life you have missed!
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#29387 Dec 2, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Same 'ol drivel gleaned from the same pathetically
predictable sources you treat like the Holy Bible
and the saints themselves. You are the one who
stopped learning once you decided what you wanted
to believe. Radical chic, as in Tom Wolfe.
What this you read about the Holy Bible, please don't involve the Saints...
Never stopped learning! But ignorance is bliss for you ! Don't believe in radical, nor violence...You should read more on Mother Theresa, Ghandi...

BWHQAHHAHAHAAAAAa
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#29388 Dec 2, 2012
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
Acually there have been a hell of a lot more than two, but why count, here today gone tomorrow, just have a good time. By the way is is acceptable in Thai society to have one, two or three lesser wives/girlfriends. See all the good things in life you have missed!
So you pimping your ride , man you must one motherF of a Pimp daddy! BWBHWHWHHWHHWHWaaa

One female is enough for me, the headaches involved!
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29389 Dec 2, 2012
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>So you pimping your ride , man you must one motherF of a Pimp daddy! BWBHWHWHHWHHWHWaaa
One female is enough for me, the headaches involved!
No headaches, if your a man. When it looks like a headache might start, tell her to get out or you leave and get a new one, see no headache. But you have to be a man and don't cave in. That of course is here, it doesn't work every place on this earth.
Bill R

Astoria, OR

#29390 Dec 2, 2012
UIdiotraceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Worst then both despot combined the Genocide , the many wars.... that is you have 'American HOlocaust" (this white washed from school history books --- EVIL!) and the many American war and war and many wars after wars , since the inception of a Constitutional Republic - I mean militaristic US empire!
Better do research and do a due diligence...
MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHAAA
MWHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAa a.......
Since you addressed me as "Pops" I feel permitted to address
you as "Sonny."

Sonny, you have introduced nothing here that was not ordinary
fare more than 40 years ago. I know you believe you are pre-
senting something here that might be considered revolutionary
or iconoclastic, but the fact is there is nothing you have
presented that was not "discovered" back in the 60s. It is
time for you to grow up and move on.

As for your pleas to "do research" and use "due diligence,"
I have a right here to ask you what your qualifications are
to claim moral or intellectual superiority to anyone who has
posted on this forum. You have yet to do so. As it is, I
will claim to having a broader and deeper education, both
within the so-called "ivory towers" of academia and the real
world where people live and love and hurt and where a person
can and does make a difference.

My undergraduate education was at a private university with
mainstream denominational ties. It was conservative both
socially and academically. The library was so overgrown with
a singular Western European point of view that I did my
research at neighboring public universities. I also became
involved in the work of an interracial church in southeast
San Diego and an a medical clinic in Tijuana. The closed
academic climate of the university I was attending made it
impossible to get a full, well rounded education there.
So I sought it in other libraries and in other places
nearby.

My postgraduate work was deliberately performed at a private
liberal university where, sadly, discovered their library
and other available resources excluded opinions or view-
points other than their own. My wife, who was a documents
librarian at another university, procured documents to pre-
sent a differing point of view in my own academic work.
I also took evening courses at a Roman Catholic seminary
and attended 6 months of lectures there by a Jewish rabbi.
I received 2 postgraduate degrees, neither one without dis-
pute because my theses challenged the accepted thought of
that university.

I had the opportunity to pursue doctoral work at an Ivy
League school (gratis) but turned it down in favor of
beginning a life outside the life of the polarized academia
I had already experienced for 7 years and moved to a
reservation the same year that Dee Brown's "Bury My Heart
at Wounded Knee" was published. I enjoyed Sunday after-
noons with the daughter of a minister who had Sunday "after
church" dinner with Geronimo on their reservation. I
worked with addicts and alcoholics on reservations for
7 years and taught virtually for free at the reservation's
community college. I am an honorary member of that tribe,
as if my wife, so please don't give me garbage about stuff
you learned in a book.

More to follow.....

Bill R

Astoria, OR

#29391 Dec 2, 2012
Continuing .....

While there I became involved in local and state
politics. I'll not go into details about the
nature or full extent of that involvement, but
in process I met and worked with some fine indivi-
duals and a few absolutely corrupt individuals
(from both parties), though my political involve-
ment was at that time as an elected Democrat.
I can't tell you how many parties and functions
my wife and I did NOT get invited to because of
our loyalties.

That all ended when we moved to this fair state
and re-established some old relationships and
I became a Republican because of my commitment to
the goodness and profound integrity of one man
... Mark Hatfield. I was involved heavily until
the Republicans were overtaken by the so-called
Religious Right and neo-conservatives. My son,
who was also serving public office at the time,
also resigned.

I should mention now that for 12 years here in
Oregon my neighbors were (I can't make this up,
I swear) the head of a liberal arts department
at the University of Oregon, an FBI agent, and
a Middle Eastern couple (Iranian doctor/Iraqi
wife). My kids babysat for the Muslim family
and we attended their observances. My daughter,
now raised with a fine family of her own, even
made arrangements for the visit of Thailand's
princess .... which explains my kinship of a
sort with Easy Money.

Our last 16 years have been spent at a small
sustainable farm and ranch 40 miles from
Eugene, Oregon. I dabble a bit in local politics
but have generally come to the conclusion that
ideological politics are a waste of time and,
on the whole, a genuine black hole. That is why
I have challenged the rigid conservatism of a
"Ron Paul" way of thinking that disallows any
new idea, new thought, or new approach. Their
way is not only a black hole ... it is a dead end.

We must find a way to join together the very
best of the so-called right and left and engage
in some genuine dialogue without the incredibly
shallow crap I have been listening to for more
than a decade. It was new and even exciting
back in the 60s, IO, but it is time to outgrow it.
It is time for us to move on.

I have tried here to present a fuller, more
complete picture of who and what I am than the
nasty vindictive caricature of me you continually
present on this forum. It isn't just wrong.
It is the antithesis of what you pretend to
represent.

I've given you a fair composite of who and what
I am, IO. Please give me (us) yours, though it
seems the Ron Paul followers have moved on to
finding something new. It seems it is you, me,
and Easy. That in itself is interesting.
Bill R

Astoria, OR

#29393 Dec 3, 2012
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
No headaches, if you are a man. When it looks like a headache might start, tell her to get out or you leave and get a new one, see no headache. But you have to be a man and don't cave in. That of course is here, it doesn't work every place on this earth.
I am at a point on this forum when I must take exception to
your depiction of women as a kind of object ... a place for
you to deposit your sperm or whatever ... for the purpose of
you clinging to the belief that that thing hanging between
your legs makes you a man. Damn it, Easy, it only makes you
a caricature of what a man is. Surely, Easy, you do not believe
that your penis and its personally proclaimed accomplishments
makes you a man. It doesn't.

If I may stay on point, my wife is a not a only a better
woman than you have depicted, she is far more of a human
being than you depict. She or any woman is not a mere
depository for your precious sperm. In point of fact, by
her knowledge and wisdom she is a wiser and more knowing
human being than you (or I) could ever hope to be.

Alcohol, by whatever means you wish to enjoy it, is not
and will not satisfy your inadequacies. It has and will
only magnify them. Congratulations on your deposit into
a nondescript entity this evening, but you are missing SO
MUCH. You can trivialize your relationship with your wife,
but by so doing you trivialize your own. By your standards
you are no different than the monkeys you watch with
amusement in the cage.


Damn it, Easy, you are more and better than that. I've
been with the same woman for more than 40 years and there
is not one single thing you can bring to the table that
makes your life better, happier, or more uplifting than
mine. Dear friend, you have missed so much by making your
penis proof of your manhood when, in fact, your manhood is
inside your head. Stop, Easy, and treasure and embrace
that woman who cares for you when you wake up in the
morning.

I know the military and all that goes with it is hard. It
dehumanizes you. You have allowed it to do just that. For
the love of all that is good and decent in this world, con-
sider what effect you have upon those "girls" you believe
to enjoy what you have to bring them. You can stop it.
Or you can live it out with the years you have left. Sorry,
Easy, but for the dollars they think you ... not they ...
are the fool.

It is your choice. And dear friend, I will be there to
accept and understand because I believe that, despite all
the rhetoric, you are a fine and decent human being.

We are not animals.

Since: Aug 10

Main Street, USA

#29394 Dec 3, 2012
Well stated Bill R.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29395 Dec 3, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
I am at a point on this forum when I must take exception to
your depiction of women as a kind of object ... a place for
you to deposit your sperm or whatever ... for the purpose of
you clinging to the belief that that thing hanging between
your legs makes you a man. Damn it, Easy, it only makes you
a caricature of what a man is. Surely, Easy, you do not believe
that your penis and its personally proclaimed accomplishments
makes you a man. It doesn't.
If I may stay on point, my wife is a not a only a better
woman than you have depicted, she is far more of a human
being than you depict. She or any woman is not a mere
depository for your precious sperm. In point of fact, by
her knowledge and wisdom she is a wiser and more knowing
human being than you (or I) could ever hope to be.
Alcohol, by whatever means you wish to enjoy it, is not
and will not satisfy your inadequacies. It has and will
only magnify them. Congratulations on your deposit into
a nondescript entity this evening, but you are missing SO
MUCH. You can trivialize your relationship with your wife,
but by so doing you trivialize your own. By your standards
you are no different than the monkeys you watch with
amusement in the cage.
Damn it, Easy, you are more and better than that. I've
been with the same woman for more than 40 years and there
is not one single thing you can bring to the table that
makes your life better, happier, or more uplifting than
mine. Dear friend, you have missed so much by making your
penis proof of your manhood when, in fact, your manhood is
inside your head. Stop, Easy, and treasure and embrace
that woman who cares for you when you wake up in the
morning.
I know the military and all that goes with it is hard. It
dehumanizes you. You have allowed it to do just that. For
the love of all that is good and decent in this world, con-
sider what effect you have upon those "girls" you believe
to enjoy what you have to bring them. You can stop it.
Or you can live it out with the years you have left. Sorry,
Easy, but for the dollars they think you ... not they ...
are the fool.
It is your choice. And dear friend, I will be there to
accept and understand because I believe that, despite all
the rhetoric, you are a fine and decent human being.
We are not animals.
By all means you may take exception about my feelings or depiction of woman as objects, but let me remind you that not everyone wants to live on a farm or little white house with the same woman for, how ever many years. What you have alluded to is one man, one woman for life, that is a very christian point of view, but it for sure is not not my idea of how to live. Or for that matter have children, I am not that narcisstic to want to see what I can help in producing. Had I thought that way I would not have had a vasectomy in 1973 just as soon as I heard the word vasectomy. Do not misconstrue how I fell about my wife I have no intention of ever leaving her for another woman but while I am still capable of see other woman I will do so. I really like the chase rather than the catch, I think that it keeps me younger, and it's not that easy keeping up with the new games the honeys play. My wife is, my wife, not my pal or buddy, if I want to have long conversations with someone, I'll talk to my friends that happen to be men, that have seen the same things I have seen, done the same things and been to the same places in this world. We speak the same language, I'm not interested in shopping, or what the people down the street are doing or someones child, or the relatives.
You will note that the response other than this, is from a woman. That is just how they think. One man, one woman, two or three children and just like the fish that he has been, the hook has been set, there is no escape, unless the guy pays through the nose for the rest of his life. So he grins and bears it even though he hates it.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29396 Dec 4, 2012
continued:
I can't tell you how many times I have had a guy say that he would dump his wife and kids in a tick tock if he didn't have to pay. But the hook was set.
There is no way that I could live as you do, I destest the quite peaceful way of life, I want some action. I want to live in a place that rocks day and night, not that I rock every day or night, it's that it's here if and when I want it. And women are a very big part of that life style.
So I will continue doing just what the hell I want to do, for as long as I'm able. Those poor girls that you lament about are well aware of the fact that I'm married, they know that there is no way on this green earth that they will ever be anything more than what they are. They can stay or they can go, I don't care, They are not mistreated. They know the ground rules it's up to them.
I think by now you know that I am not my brothers keeper and men do what men want to do without being told that it is wrong as long as no one is hurt by their actions. I have choosen to live here for that very reason and I don't give two figs what anyone thinks. They are not required to live the life I do and within reason, I do what I want, when I want to.
One more thing, the driving forces that women possess are in no way the same as those of men. they feel very different about how the world should be, they react differently, and mostly that reaction is not logical derived at. I find it very hard to believe that women in the military should or could be effective in combat. How in the hell can they be a pal and buddy? Well in my book they can't, but they can be a wife..........sometime!

Since: Aug 10

Main Street, USA

#29397 Dec 4, 2012
Dump his kids? No one is hurt?
Essentially what we are talking about here is contract and property law. Marriage is a religious ceremony and should not be addressed by government. The pulling of a license is a contract by which the state determines property and contractual obligation.
A contract is not limited by the number of parties, their gender or race. I would however hold with a minimum age determining the legality of consent to enter into a contract.
My opinion is to circumvent the government license and write up a contract to establish the relationship between parties.
When no written contract is available then the state steps in with standards determining obligation and liability.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29398 Dec 4, 2012
taxpayerUSA wrote:
Dump his kids? No one is hurt?
Essentially what we are talking about here is contract and property law. Marriage is a religious ceremony and should not be addressed by government. The pulling of a license is a contract by which the state determines property and contractual obligation.
A contract is not limited by the number of parties, their gender or race. I would however hold with a minimum age determining the legality of consent to enter into a contract.
My opinion is to circumvent the government license and write up a contract to establish the relationship between parties.
When no written contract is available then the state steps in with standards determining obligation and liability.
I say dump the religious end of it, that's all hog wash, but in order to reap a tax benifit, and you will soon need all of the help you can get, the government must be involved. I would suggest a pre nup right from the gitgo as manditory. And I speak as a man who has started over almost from scratch three times.
UIdiotraceMakeWo rldPeace

United States

#29400 Dec 6, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you addressed me as "Pops" I feel permitted to address
you as "Sonny."
Sonny, you have introduced nothing here that was not ordinary
fare more than 40 years ago. I know you believe you are pre-
senting something here that might be considered revolutionary
or iconoclastic, but the fact is there is nothing you have
presented that was not "discovered" back in the 60s. It is
time for you to grow up and move on.
As for your pleas to "do research" and use "due diligence,"
I have a right here to ask you what your qualifications are
to claim moral or intellectual superiority to anyone who has
posted on this forum. You have yet to do so. As it is, I
will claim to having a broader and deeper education, both
within the so-called "ivory towers" of academia and the real
world where people live and love and hurt and where a person
can and does make a difference.
My undergraduate education was at a private university with
mainstream denominational ties. It was conservative both
socially and academically. The library was so overgrown with
a singular Western European point of view that I did my
research at neighboring public universities. I also became
involved in the work of an interracial church in southeast
San Diego and an a medical clinic in Tijuana. The closed
academic climate of the university I was attending made it
impossible to get a full, well rounded education there.
So I sought it in other libraries and in other places
nearby.
My postgraduate work was deliberately performed at a private
liberal university where, sadly, discovered their library
and other available resources excluded opinions or view-
points other than their own. My wife, who was a documents
librarian at another university, procured documents to pre-
sent a differing point of view in my own academic work.
I also took evening courses at a Roman Catholic seminary
and attended 6 months of lectures there by a Jewish rabbi.
I received 2 postgraduate degrees, neither one without dis-
pute because my theses challenged the accepted thought of
that university.
I had the opportunity to pursue doctoral work at an Ivy
League school (gratis) but turned it down in favor of
beginning a life outside the life of the polarized academia
I had already experienced for 7 years and moved to a
reservation the same year that Dee Brown's "Bury My Heart
at Wounded Knee" was published. I enjoyed Sunday after-
noons with the daughter of a minister who had Sunday "after
church" dinner with Geronimo on their reservation. I
worked with addicts and alcoholics on reservations for
7 years and taught virtually for free at the reservation's
community college. I am an honorary member of that tribe,
as if my wife, so please don't give me garbage about stuff
you learned in a book.
More to follow.....
You been to 60s but somehow you forgotteuln humility and human rights issues ... as too 60s counter culture is no go for me, but you should look at human rights issues, world peace, instead you let all them drugs, counter culture stuffs ect cloud your mind by politics and money.

Not about Moral or intellectual superiority but about world human rights... you naive, corrupted politics and money agendas had taken hold of you ...

Congressman tell the truth about corrupted US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

-----

Congressman RP: Democrats and Republicans Are Dinosaurs

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
UIdiotraceMakeWo rldPeace

United States

#29401 Dec 6, 2012
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
No headaches, if your a man. When it looks like a headache might start, tell her to get out or you leave and get a new one, see no headache. But you have to be a man and don't cave in. That of course is here, it doesn't work every place on this earth.
i talking about One-man /one woman is enough for me. Of course they be problem in any relationship , that is given ! duh Duh DUH! BWHAHHHAHAaaa
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29402 Dec 6, 2012
UIdiotraceMakeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>i talking about One-man /one woman is enough for me. Of course they be problem in any relationship , that is given ! duh Duh DUH! BWHAHHHAHAaaa
That's up to you, how you want to live, it's not how I want to live. Life is way too short to put up with problems.

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