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Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third Party?

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Rep. Ron Paul's 1988 Libertarian Presidential campaign started with great promise: A former four-term Republican US Congressman running on the ticket of America's third largest party. via National Ledger

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Crazy n Nutty Politics

North Miami Beach, FL

#29233 Oct 15, 2012
In other news...Republicans going all out to stop Gary Johnson. Hiring private detectives..come on now. lol

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/us/politics...
LocalBoy

Indianapolis, IN

#29234 Oct 15, 2012
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
Having been away from paper boys for a few years I don't know the answer, but here's what I think happened the price of materials went up, this caused the paper to jack up the price, then the government came in and raised the minimum wage, the paper boy not being stupid figured out that he could make a few more bucks.
Do I get an attaboy and gold star?
The oath is to obey the orders of those placed above me and that includes the dip-shit president as commander in chief.
I am all for products being made in America by American labors, be they farmers, ranchers or whatever, but they all have to compete on the world markets and the unions have priced themselves out of that market and to be honest they have pushed aside a hell of a lot of Americans who can not afford there products. They are selling to the elites not average Joe Blow. I may add also not to the majority of minorities. Gold Star for sure on that one!!!!
I assume you did not deliver papers when you were young. Paper boys do not negotiate their pay, its set by the newspaper. The paper boss gives what he has to to get the job done. No gold star for that one, Easy. Paper boys do not negotiate their rates.
Paper boy rates go up because the dollar goes down, its not because the modern paper boy is more efficient.

Your oath was to defend the USC from all enemies, foreign and domestic. To show faith and allegiance to the USC........and then follow orders as long as they conform to the UCMJ. Following orders.......and thats it ? So let me get this straight......if Obama orders you to rape your mother you would do it ? If Obama orders you to wear a UN flag and kill Americans you would do it ?
Come on man, you claim to be a military man yet you talk like a school boy........

A few German soldiers tried that "just following orders" trick. They rightfully hung from a rope, feet kicking and eyes bulging.

Just following orders from a corrupt congress and executive is why our industries have eroded, why our society erodes. Just following orders is why your pension erodes.

Questioning authority is an American tradition, or at least it used to be.

BTW - Killing communist did not cause the collapse of communism. Economics did that just as economics will be our Waterloo.
LocalBoy

Indianapolis, IN

#29235 Oct 15, 2012
uWORLDIDIOTRACEMAKEPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>The quailty of todays US military is not what it use to be you have right wing coalitions , racists, Neo Nazis, Xtain Fundies, violent criminal recruits... as lacking/without morals. A danger to America and the world. sO?
Right wing......In our Country the right is conservative. To be an American conservative is to reject NEo-Nazi's and their ideas. Nazi's were liberal, IO
Fascism is on the left, far right is anarchy.

We live in an age of relative ethics. Is there such a thing as relative morality ?

The real problem IO, is this idea it is wrong to question authority. Furthermore we lack skills in our dissent.

IO - Explain what a right wing coalition is
UIdiotRacesMAKEW ORLDPEACE

United States

#29236 Oct 15, 2012
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>Right wing......In our Country the right is conservative. To be an American conservative is to reject NEo-Nazi's and their ideas. Nazi's were liberal, IO
Fascism is on the left, far right is anarchy.
We live in an age of relative ethics. Is there such a thing as relative morality ?
The real problem IO, is this idea it is wrong to question authority. Furthermore we lack skills in our dissent.
IO - Explain what a right wing coalition is
Fascism USA - A Review of the Growing Loss of Democracy
www.fascismusa.com

The above fourteen point definition of fascism clearly describes the current state of the United States of America, particularly under the second Bush Administration - a ...
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Fascism: Left Wing or Right Wing?
www.oldamericancentury.org/whitepapers/defini... ...

A very popular argument by the Right is say that the Nazis were Leftwing, when in fact they were Rightwing in both Germany and the United States.

America Revealed: Is the U.S. a Fascist Police-State?
www.spaulforrest.com/2010/12/is-us-fascist-po...

In a police-state, the citizens are “free” only so long as their actions remain within the confines of the law as dictated by the state. If the individual’s ...

Rigth wing coalition consist of radicals in govt, media...
Right-wing politics - Definition | WordIQ.com
www.wordiq.com/definition/Right-wing_politics

Other significant right-wing organizations United States. Accuracy in Media; Americans for Tax Reform; Christian Coalition; Club for Growth; Concerned Women for America

"To oppose the policies of a government does not mean you are against the country or the people that the government supposedly represents. Such opposition should be called what it really is: democracy, or democratic dissent, or having a critical perspective about what your leaders are doing. Either we have the right to democratic dissent and criticism of these policies or we all lie down and let the leader, the Fuhrer, do what is best, while we follow uncritically, and obey whatever he commands. That's just what the Germans did with Hitler, and look where it got them."
Michael Parenti
Bill R

Chehalis, WA

#29237 Oct 15, 2012
UIdiotRacesMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Fascism USA - A Review of the Growing Loss of Democracy
www.fascismusa.com
The above fourteen point definition of fascism clearly describes the current state of the United States of America, particularly under the second Bush Administration - a ...
-----
Fascism: Left Wing or Right Wing?
www.oldamericancentury.org/whitepapers/defini... ...
A very popular argument by the Right is say that the Nazis were Leftwing, when in fact they were Rightwing in both Germany and the United States.
America Revealed: Is the U.S. a Fascist Police-State?
www.spaulforrest.com/2010/12/is-us-fascist-po...
In a police-state, the citizens are “free” only so long as their actions remain within the confines of the law as dictated by the state. If the individual’s ...
Rigth wing coalition consist of radicals in govt, media...
Right-wing politics - Definition | WordIQ.com
www.wordiq.com/definition/Right-wing_politics
Other significant right-wing organizations United States. Accuracy in Media; Americans for Tax Reform; Christian Coalition; Club for Growth; Concerned Women for America
"To oppose the policies of a government does not mean you are against the country or the people that the government supposedly represents. Such opposition should be called what it really is: democracy, or democratic dissent, or having a critical perspective about what your leaders are doing. Either we have the right to democratic dissent and criticism of these policies or we all lie down and let the leader, the Fuhrer, do what is best, while we follow uncritically, and obey whatever he commands. That's just what the Germans did with Hitler, and look where it got them."
Michael Parenti
Your acceptance of the idea that the idea that expecting
a country's citizens to obey the law constitutes bowing
down to a "police state" is absurd and ... quite honestly
... hopelessly immature.
I was a non-violent protester in both the Civil Rights
movement and against the War in Vietnam. I KNEW .... got
it, IO?.... I was violating the law when I allowed myself
to be cuffed, arrested, and jailed for my support of the
simple idea that ever
and opportunity as any other American. I did not and still
do not regard that as actions against a "police state." I
regard it as the actions of locals .... not the design of a
government which, by office and by law, supported my rights.
Your quotations are nonsense, delusional, and not worthy of
a serious comment. I doubt, Idiot, that you have so much as
stepped within 10 city blocks of any civil protest. I, on
the other hand, got clobbered and have worn the scar on my
forehead for 40+ years. Don't preach to us. You can pull
all of the internet crap out of your butt and pretend it
matters, kind sir, but until you have put your proverbial
a$$ on the line and been willing to actually suffer something
you are an inconsequential gas-bag.
Frankly, Idiot, I think you could do it if you opted against
possible career damage, family support, or similar fare.
Just don't rail against those who have tried, even those who
like myself tried to change things. Even if they failed, in
full or in part, they put something of themselves on the line.
My claim here is that no one here ... including myself ...
puts one damn thing on the line for what they believe until
they step off the porch step and get involved.
You and I ... Idiot #1 and Idiot #2 ... want the same things.
Where we differ is in the approach. I, having lived through
the '60s (Civil Rights and Vietnam), no longer believe in
magic. Why would I believe otherwise given the result of
two decades of not only protest, but of community service in
places foreign to my own place of birth and upbringing.
You and others here have claimed that I am "unethical." I
believe such statements to be categorically silly. We are
not discussing anything here but tactics.
Bill R

Chehalis, WA

#29238 Oct 15, 2012
uWORLDIDIOTRACEMAKEPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>U not arm chair specialist yourself, POPS! You must have Coco Puffs and think you going localing, as the world is waking up to fact that you Warring Neocons are bad apples ! So, the youngster will have to repair the damage your generation had made. Get Real, you ruining the land of freedom and for world stability! U Silly rabbit! BWHHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAaa
Ah....since I'm POPS you must be JUNIOR!

Well, Junior, exactly what has your internet rambling done for
America? Oh, I know it makes you FEEL good, but what has it
actually done? Or do you live in the real world where the heavy
hitters titter and such at the blather of internet babble? I
hope it is the latter, because your help will be needed ....
but not here at the keyboards of the internet.

Yeah, IO, it IS about getting local. Localboy has it right
in his name here. It is about having the guts and the energy
to get away from the desk and actually get out and talk to the
folks eye to eye.

My line, incidentally, is that Ron Paul ain't here and we need
to rebuild America from the ground up, just as it was built
200+ years ago. That means staying small but remaining
vigilant ... not warlike, just vigilant.

Others here want to attach such ideas to a man or a cause and
useless words like "freedom" and "liberty." I feel otherwise
and resent the assumption that some are so arrogant that they
assume they own such words. I've spoken highly but critical
of Paul, but the criticism has been far less about Paul than
his follow-up pretenders.

“UNLESS !!!!!!!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#29239 Oct 15, 2012
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
In other news...Republicans going all out to stop Gary Johnson. Hiring private detectives..come on now. lol
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/us/politics...
Because thats what "conservatives" do with non threats - spend lots of money trying to prevent his access. Glad they are wasting money on someone who does not matter.

“UNLESS !!!!!!!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#29240 Oct 15, 2012
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>Right wing......In our Country the right is conservative. To be an American conservative is to reject NEo-Nazi's and their ideas. Nazi's were liberal, IO
Fascism is on the left, far right is anarchy.
We live in an age of relative ethics. Is there such a thing as relative morality ?
The real problem IO, is this idea it is wrong to question authority. Furthermore we lack skills in our dissent.
IO - Explain what a right wing coalition is
Fascism is a type of government not an ideology and can exist in the left or right portion of the spectrum. It is simply the rule of a few for the benefit of a few. Not to be confused with what some claim we have devolved to which is an oligarchy - the rule of a few for the supposed benefit of the many. I personally believe we walk an increasingly blurry line between these two types of governments while being duped that we live in a Republic.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29241 Oct 15, 2012
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>I assume you did not deliver papers when you were young. Paper boys do not negotiate their pay, its set by the newspaper. The paper boss gives what he has to to get the job done. No gold star for that one, Easy. Paper boys do not negotiate their rates.
Paper boy rates go up because the dollar goes down, its not because the modern paper boy is more efficient.
Your oath was to defend the USC from all enemies, foreign and domestic. To show faith and allegiance to the USC........and then follow orders as long as they conform to the UCMJ. Following orders.......and thats it ? So let me get this straight......if Obama orders you to rape your mother you would do it ? If Obama orders you to wear a UN flag and kill Americans you would do it ?
Come on man, you claim to be a military man yet you talk like a school boy........
A few German soldiers tried that "just following orders" trick. They rightfully hung from a rope, feet kicking and eyes bulging.
Just following orders from a corrupt congress and executive is why our industries have eroded, why our society erodes. Just following orders is why your pension erodes.
Questioning authority is an American tradition, or at least it used to be.
BTW - Killing communist did not cause the collapse of communism. Economics did that just as economics will be our Waterloo.
While going over some very old enlistment papers I came across this DD Form 4, and guess what it has the oath I took on Oct 7 1952.
"I will bear true faith and allegiance to the United States of America; That I will serve them honestly and faithfully against their enemies whomsoever; and I will obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, According to the regulations and the UCMJ".Now that last line is a kicker, because when your being threatened, you just don't have the time to whip out your trusty copy of the UCMJ to see if it's legal for you to shoot back and kill the bastard.
Orders are orders and you follow orders, regulations are different, they are made to be broken, by people with skill and cunning. Which I was a part of.
Kill the enemy and the economy will set it's self right. Build him roads, schools, and other clap trap crap to win the hearts and minds will cost you much more forever.
Crazy n Nutty Politics

North Miami Beach, FL

#29242 Oct 16, 2012
LORAX wrote:
<quoted text>
Because thats what "conservatives" do with non threats - spend lots of money trying to prevent his access. Glad they are wasting money on someone who does not matter.
I'm just amazed at the msm. Not once have they called mittens out on his flip flopping. Also, I believe I posted a long while back how the polls will be showed to the populous being 52/48 48/52 50/50, etc etc. I also predicted in 4 more years..the dems will be elected and vice versa..the cycle never stops. When will people realize there is no difference between either party?
Crazy n Nutty Politics

North Miami Beach, FL

#29243 Oct 16, 2012
Anyone wanna bet which war the neoc0ns are going to lead us in?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#29244 Oct 16, 2012
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
Anyone wanna bet which war the neoc0ns are going to lead us in?
I say between Iran & China.

“UNLESS !!!!!!!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#29245 Oct 17, 2012
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm just amazed at the msm. Not once have they called mittens out on his flip flopping. Also, I believe I posted a long while back how the polls will be showed to the populous being 52/48 48/52 50/50, etc etc. I also predicted in 4 more years..the dems will be elected and vice versa..the cycle never stops. When will people realize there is no difference between either party?
Unfortunately, it will likely be after its too late....Here is something to ponder. If its ok for republicans to act and say they are liberty minded and then turn around and continue the same status quo path, is it not by logical extension ok to be a republican and act and say you are for the status quo and then do liberty minded things?
UIdiotRacesMakeW orldPeace

United States

#29246 Oct 17, 2012
Getting of topic here.

Any one living in the West Coast of US needs prepare and maybe leave?
Bill R

Elma, WA

#29247 Oct 18, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me, Idiot .... which wars have I supported?
You and your friends seem intent on proving a
lie, so I'm calling you out on it.
I supported the actions against the Taliban in
Afghanistan, but have NEVER supported any
attempt at nation building.
I similarly spoke against nation building in Iran
but, having no say in the matter, I advocated a
"3 state solution" of Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds.
I have advocated a two state solution in regard to
the PLO and Israel along very specific lines that
would have required cooperation between both.
I have NEVER advocated any military action against
Iran.
I have advocated dramatic troop reductions in Europe,
Japan, South Korea, and elsewhere.
I have advocated no war against anyone, yet you
like others here persist in the notion that I have
when, in fact, I simply believe your tactics and
those of others here are doomed to failure.
Disagreeing with your tactics does not mean any
advocacy of any military action, the sole exception
being the somewhat naive idea that destroying the
poppy crop in Afghanistan would be nice.
Tell me, Idiot, what wars or economic domination
have I advocated? It wasn't that long ago I said
to Localboy (as I recall, but may be wrong) the
days of American domination of the world marketplace
is over. Do you wish to argue against that point?
C'mon Idiot, you've had 3 days or more to come up with
quotes and paragraphs and such that contradict my
statements in the above post .... but you have chosen
to submerge yourself once again and will no doubt come back
with more garbled and cobbled thoughts (of a sort) sbout
enemies, real and imagined.

I want a smaller federal government with a vastly reduced
budget, but not along the skewed ideas of Ron Paul as to
what is or isn't constitutional. Simply put, we don't
need Ron Paul to reduce the deficit or change foreign
policy. Nor do we need his "ideas." One need only run the
thing like a business and have the testicles to lop off
the stuff that has nothing whatever to do with governance.

This takes gumption ... not from the top, but from the
ground up. My disagreement has been with the tactics being
used by Paul supporter's who "win" local county elections
and such but have totally ignored those who actually get
out and vote. My claim is that the array of conservative
Republican (i.e. those claiming to be so) stop playing games
and sit down to actually do the hard work of governance.
That begins by people like Lorax, CNP, Localboy, and me
holding our noses and admit we have more in common than
we care to admit. The stuff you provide here just does
not cut it. We will either work together or hand it over
to a European socialist.
UIDiotRacesMAKEW ORLDPEACE

United States

#29248 Oct 18, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
C'mon Idiot, you've had 3 days or more to come up with
quotes and paragraphs and such that contradict my
statements in the above post .... but you have chosen
to submerge yourself once again and will no doubt come back
with more garbled and cobbled thoughts (of a sort) sbout
enemies, real and imagined.
I want a smaller federal government with a vastly reduced
budget, but not along the skewed ideas of Ron Paul as to
what is or isn't constitutional. Simply put, we don't
need Ron Paul to reduce the deficit or change foreign
policy. Nor do we need his "ideas." One need only run the
thing like a business and have the testicles to lop off
the stuff that has nothing whatever to do with governance.
This takes gumption ... not from the top, but from the
ground up. My disagreement has been with the tactics being
used by Paul supporter's who "win" local county elections
and such but have totally ignored those who actually get
out and vote. My claim is that the array of conservative
Republican (i.e. those claiming to be so) stop playing games
and sit down to actually do the hard work of governance.
That begins by people like Lorax, CNP, Localboy, and me
holding our noses and admit we have more in common than
we care to admit. The stuff you provide here just does
not cut it. We will either work together or hand it over
to a European socialist.
I dare the Ron Paul Haters to Hate this one

For you biggest idiot! BQHHAHAHAHAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
UIDiotRacesMAKEW ORLDPEACE

United States

#29249 Oct 18, 2012
For Billr the buffoon! BWHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
UIDiotRacesMAKEW ORLDPEACE

United States

#29250 Oct 18, 2012
Neocon lied too much, Lair lair you pants on fire, very reason many Anti-war world groups, Code pink, the for-peace US veterans, for world human rights... can not trust US warmongers. BWHHAHAHHAA

"So important did military spending and the military-industrial sector become during World War II and the Cold War that they have become fundamental to the U.S. economy, U.S. economic growth and above all U.S. technological development. Despite its often almost incredible wastefulness and corruption, this military spending has also been in some ways a kind of unacknowledged but rather successful state industrial development strategy in a country whose free market ideology meant that it could not formally adopt or admit to such a strategy."
David Edwards - Burning All Illusions
UIDiotRacesMAKEW ORLDPEACE

United States

#29251 Oct 18, 2012
"Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business."
neoconservative Michael Ledeen

(mORE LIKE 2 OR MORE WARS EVERY DECADE, AND LET NOT FORGET COPRORATIST/GOVT CONTROLLED MEDIA ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REPORT ON MANY Us COVERT WARS AND SMALLER WARS.0
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29252 Oct 18, 2012
UIDiotRacesMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
"Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business."
neoconservative Michael Ledeen
(mORE LIKE 2 OR MORE WARS EVERY DECADE, AND LET NOT FORGET COPRORATIST/GOVT CONTROLLED MEDIA ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REPORT ON MANY Us COVERT WARS AND SMALLER WARS.0
Hey!! Stupid! they are not wars, they are police actions, or a helping hand or doing the right thing and therein lies the problem. If they were really wars and not politicaly correct bullshit, we would have eliminated 1/8th of the worlds population of dirtbags or muslims savages or religious fools and idiots.

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