Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third Party?

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Bill R

Pe Ell, WA

#28725 Aug 3, 2012
Zachary_ wrote:
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You're absolutely correct my friend, the majority is not behind Paul NOW, mostly due to the media blackout- they are not recieving his message. But if by chance he became the nominee, the media would be forced to cover his rallies and speeches because obama cannot run against himself!
When people see on their tevee sets that this guy with 2 first names attracts 1000s of people at his rallies, and they hear his passion and common sense, they will ask themselves why they never heard of Ron Paul, and be mad as hell that they voted for Romney over Paul.
I'm certain almost every American agrees with Ron Paul on at least 1 issue, they just don't know it yet.
Nobody's worried about his support, as if he would get fair coverage, it's only common sense and the majority will flock to it like flies on shit!
Zach baby, wake up and smell the coffee. Ron Paul is not going
to the the nominee of the Republican Party.

For years now we have been listening on the thread or forum about
how Ron Paul has been "blacked out" by the media. It may have
been so in 2008, but not in 2012. Put simply for the dogmatically
slow paleo-conservatives, Paul has offered nothing, presented
nothing, or said anything to capture the imaginations or hearts
of 90% of Americans.

Your guy, who you believe will correct the nation's course, has
never in his career been able to bring a bill of any significance
whatsoever through Congress about ANYTHING. That includes your
precious anti-Fed bill which will, as you know, be diluted down
to insignificance. He is, on the face of sheer statistics, one
of the most ineffective legislators in the history of Congress.
At the same time I believe I must acknowledge that momentous bill
acknowledging the prowess of a Kansas football team.

All of this is beside the point. Paul is not going to be the
nominee. Period. Done. Finished. It is over. To believe
anything other than this borders on insanity.

Now, you can be like any number of phonies who registered
REpublican (i.e. registered Paul) and seek some silly solace
in the Constitution Party or the Green Party or whatever,
but it only proves what the standard beaers of the party, for
good or ill, have been saying all along: You never were a
Republican from the start. You've been posing.

And hey, I'm all okay with that. I just insist that we
recognize it for what is has been from the start ... an
Alinsky styled attempt to gain control the Republican Party.
Sadly you are like many if not all on this thread who
confuse winning in the silly stuff translates to victory
in the real world.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#28726 Aug 3, 2012
bottlecap wrote:
<quoted text>Typical RACE-BAITING. Divide the country, create more bureaucrats, further screw up the educational system and add to the debt.

And to think, he was put into office by the Corporate Fascist Media and not thru an honest vote.
Yep. Now, teachers must spend more time trying to teach students that should be in a remedial class, taking time away from students that are ready to move forward.
In addition, the order calls for equalization of suspensions and expulsions. Meaning Black students can break more rules or commit more severe acts without being suspended or expelled. If a white student commits the same act or even a less severe act, they will be suspended or expelled.
Crazy n Nutty Politics

Miami, FL

#28727 Aug 3, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>

never in his career been able to bring a bill of any significance
whatsoever through Congress about ANYTHING. That includes your
precious anti-Fed bill which will, as you know, be diluted down
to insignificance. He is, on the face of sheer statistics, one
of the most ineffective legislators in the history of Congress.
I am so tired of you sometimes. You have the intelligence to perceive (albeit narrowly)that Dr. Paul is ineffective yet the calculated audacity to IGNORE why he is ineffective. The powers that be have coalesced and derided the things Paul stands for because he is a man of principle, honor and integrity coupled with humility and blatant honesty. This is a quality lacking of the majority of politicians in our era.

I gave you a clear example the other day. The jobs bill. Overall a decent bill...gut tax breaks for corporations that ship jobs overseas. Great, Agreed. HOWEVER...typical neoc0n thinking dictates to introduce an amendment that has NOTHING to do with jobs bill (say..abortion) KNOWING FULL WELL the bill will not pass!(just like they hoped for).

Dr. Paul is not ineffective because his ideas are bad, but because his ideas will change the system meant to satisfy the few instead of the general welfare of the entire country.

I'm not advocating Dr. Paul as a soothsayer but come on Bill...an audit the fed bill is a no brainer.. Whomever doesn't want it obviously has some connection to keeping the information private.
Crazy n Nutty Politics

Miami, FL

#28728 Aug 3, 2012
(another rant) I just clicked on my hulu today and they are already screwing with it. I somehow in the back of my mind knew that these greedy corporate bastards invented hulu just to get ahead of the online streaming mentality that would make cable obsolete.(hulu is owned by nbc,disney etc)

It was too good to be true..watch tv online for free.(yes..like back in the old days with antenna)

They did the same thing to aereo (company came out with a time shifting device which brought you tv without commercials...lol like we don't change the channel anyway)

I'm telling you, it's like facsim/corporatism is alive and well in America.

What do I have to choose from..a socialist or a corporatist. God forbid I have a third choice. Powers that be have that on lock down.
Crazy n Nutty Politics

Miami, FL

#28729 Aug 3, 2012
To Easy...I stopped watching after that Colombian man/woman deliberately KO'd that other soccer player in the face.

I did tune in today to watch Michael weed smoking Phelps get another gold.

I sure hope he has the balls after he retires to become apart of the anti-drug war movement. But in reality he will most likely become a sell out.

Ask Mr. Bill he knows about political sell outs.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#28730 Aug 3, 2012
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
(another rant) I just clicked on my hulu today and they are already screwing with it. I somehow in the back of my mind knew that these greedy corporate bastards invented hulu just to get ahead of the online streaming mentality that would make cable obsolete.(hulu is owned by nbc,disney etc)
It was too good to be true..watch tv online for free.(yes..like back in the old days with antenna)
They did the same thing to aereo (company came out with a time shifting device which brought you tv without commercials...lol like we don't change the channel anyway)
I'm telling you, it's like facsim/corporatism is alive and well in America.
What do I have to choose from..a socialist or a corporatist. God forbid I have a third choice. Powers that be have that on lock down.
They are greedy corporate bastards for creating Hulu which lets you watch their intellectual property for free?
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#28731 Aug 4, 2012
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
To Easy...I stopped watching after that Colombian man/woman deliberately KO'd that other soccer player in the face.
I did tune in today to watch Michael weed smoking Phelps get another gold.
I sure hope he has the balls after he retires to become apart of the anti-drug war movement. But in reality he will most likely become a sell out.
Ask Mr. Bill he knows about political sell outs.
Big deal the guy swims, so what. As usual the media goes apeshit over something that means relativly nothing. If they spent as much time as they do on crap, then just maybe people would take them a little more seriously. CNN is one of the biggest waste of time going. It must for sure be run by a bunch of tired women that think Americans are interested in how women are treated in the rest of the world, and talking heads that no one has ever heard about or for that matter care about.
bottlecap

Atlanta, GA

#28732 Aug 4, 2012
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not advocating Dr. Paul as a soothsayer but come on Bill...an audit the fed bill is a no brainer.. Whomever doesn't want it obviously has some connection to keeping the information private.
Especially since a one-time audit of the Fed, by the Congressional Budget Office, revealed some SHOCKING FIGURES!

http://sanders.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/GAO%2...

page 131

Table 8: Institutions with Largest Total Transaction Amounts (Not Term-Adjusted) across Broad-Based Emergency Programs
(Borrowing Aggregated by Parent Company and Includes Sponsored ABCP Conduits), December 1, 2007 through July 21,
2010

Dollar in billions

Borrowing Parent Company TAF PDCF TSLF CPFF Subtotal AMLF TALF Total loans

Citigroup Inc.$110 $2,020 $348 $33 $2,511 $1 -$ 2,513
Morgan Stanley - 1,913 115 4 2,032 - 9 2,041
Merrill Lynch & Co. 0 1,775 166 8 1,949 -- 1,949
Bank of America Corporation 280 947 101 15 1,342 2 - 1,344
Barclays PLC (United Kingdom) 232 410 187 39 868 -- 868
Bear Stearns Companies, Inc.- 851 2 - 853 -- 853
Goldman Sachs Group Inc.- 589 225 0 814 -- 814
Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC (United
Kingdom) 212 - 291 39 541 -- 541
Deutsche Bank AG (Germany) 77 1 277 - 354 -- 354
UBS AG (Switzerland) 56 35 122 75 287 -- 287
JP Morgan Chase & Co. 99 112 68 - 279 111 - 391
Credit Suisse Group AG (Switzerland) 0 2 261 - 262 0 - 262
Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.- 83 99 - 183 -- 183
Bank of Scotland PLC (United Kingdom) 181 --- 181 -- 181
BNP Paribas SA (France) 64 66 41 3 175 -- 175
Wells Fargo & Co. 159 --- 159 -- 159
Dexia SA (Belgium) 105 -- 53 159 -- 159
Wachovia Corporation 142 --- 142 -- 142
Dresdner Bank AG (Germany) 123 0 1 10 135 -- 135
Societe Generale SA (France) 124 --- 124 -- 124
All other borrowers 1,854 146 14 460 2,475 103 62 2,639

Total $3,818 $8,951 $2,319 $738 $15,826 $217 $71 $16,115
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That is correct---OVER 16+ TRILLION in loans in a 2 1/2 year period. OF COURSE the CORPORATE FASCIST MSM has buried the story to protect their OVERLORDS.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#28733 Aug 4, 2012
Hey there boys and girls, I just read that members of the United States military took women to their hotel rooms. I'm shocked, shocked to know that there are still real men in our military. Yes there are still real men that understand just what a great time you can have with the right girls. I tip my hat to those men that know the difference. And all the little sissy boys, need a swift kick in the +++.
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Since: Dec 10

Allentown, Pa

#28734 Aug 4, 2012
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Zach baby, wake up and smell the coffee. Ron Paul is not going
to the the nominee of the Republican Party.
You're probably right, however that does not make Ron Paul a loser. Like minded people have infiltrated the GOP, and in 4 years time, the complete platform will mirror Dr. Paul's! I'd say that's as good as a win! You see, getting to the Presidency has always been icing on the cake for him, people are angry, and looking for sumptin' different; they have learned that the only difference between Republicans and Democrats are what they do with your money after they get it.

Mitt Romney is the John Kerry of the GOP; he's a paper candidate and a flip flopper extraordiare. I doubt it's good enough that he's not obama, the GOP needs to win the Presidency, as it's probably there last shot at it. Because once non-whites get a voting majority, do you think they will all change their tunes and vote a white guy into power?

The GOP cheated Ron Paul out of the nomnination. You know it, I know it, and the GOP damn well knows it!
http://jaretglenn.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/ho...

The convention will be their final chance to right their wrongs. Romney fashioned an identical health care law as the one he claims he wants to over turn. He is, at best, polling even with a terrible President who should be blown out at this stage. People really, really want to get electrified to beat obama, but sadly, Romney draws yawns!

The GOP needs to wise up and admit that they screwed the pooch big time, and nominate the 1 man who can beat obama. Once Ron Paul gets media attention, he will attract every race of people, every lifestyle, young and old, and mostly all conservatives!

If the GOP keep on this course with Romney, they will undoubtedly lose, and they should win big time, as the ball is in their court.
Crazy n Nutty Politics

Miami, FL

#28735 Aug 4, 2012
EASY MONEY wrote:
Hey there boys and girls, I just read that members of the United States military took women to their hotel rooms. I'm shocked, shocked to know that there are still real men in our military. Yes there are still real men that understand just what a great time you can have with the right girls. I tip my hat to those men that know the difference. And all the little sissy boys, need a swift kick in the +++.
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You know, the sad part is if they were taking men back to their hotel rooms the liberal left would've been yelling bigotry and homophobia towards military commanders.
It's a lose lose situation.
Crazy n Nutty Politics

Miami, FL

#28736 Aug 4, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>They are greedy corporate bastards for creating Hulu which lets you watch their intellectual property for free?
No, they created Hulu to beat others (tvshack, tvduck, tv.cc) to the punch and once they obtained their clientele they ELIMINATED what brought the clientele to the site in the first place.

Tvshack was awesome. Didn't even host the material. I clicked the show I wanted to see and streamed it. Hulu USED to be like that..but NOW..they force advertising, eliminate the most popular shows, and re-work their previous SUCCESSFUL business model that attracted millions of people.(basically to get you to pay)

Do you think Apple wanted to create I tunes? Really? They gave the record companies an ultimatum. Sell songs independently instead of forcing customers to purchase an entire crappy CD. So they did. Then came internet radio (last place available was U.S of course) which let you choose who you wanted to hear and what type of genre. Of course blocking every technological advance every single f'ing step of the way. It's like they want you to hear, what they want you to hear and that's it.(remember Zune..download song once, can't transfer it, "license to hear it expires" lmao

(still loling at "license to hear it") Do these greedy bastards think..nevermind..the sheep ARE stupid. Hell back in the 80's I used to rig my car stereo to my cassette deck and record songs I liked off the radio. It's 2012, don't you think we have the technology to press a record button while you're driving?

Think of it this way. If I have a license to see or hear something and I purchase the license with a copy (aka CD, DVD) and my neighbor wants to see it, they think it's distributing. WTF?

TVshack wasn't shut down for storing the tv shows, distributing tv shows etc. It was shut down for saying..hey..the tv show is over there. lol

All I'm saying is these antiquated viewing models better change and fast or they will be losing clientele.
Crazy n Nutty Politics

Miami, FL

#28737 Aug 4, 2012
*note..most of these websites are located in other countries WHERE THEY ARE LEGAL!!! In other words..it's like someone in Britain suing a U.S company because someone in Britain used a gun which is illegal over there but is legal here. What is wrong with that picture?
Crazy n Nutty Politics

Miami, FL

#28738 Aug 4, 2012
We need to get back to our Constitutional roots based on free markets, freedom and liberty. Stossel had a great show regarding the Cayman Islands. How such little regulation stimulated economy, business and creates massive job growth.

Our current controlled form of corporate fascism is bound to fail. It's a poor form of so called capitalism and democracy.

Our own work place experiences are rife with examples. Decisions are generally made by the higher-ups, and frustration among middle management and the the workers reflects this undemocratic structure. Everyone has their own stories to tell about this.

On a global scale, transnational corporations fly into a developing world town, cut a deal with a the elite, who typically control the government, extract the natural resources, and pocket the wealth while the mass population gains no benefit at best, or is injured or killed at worst.

After the American Revolution, the Federalist Paper #10 was very open about the fact that a small number of wealthy people held great power. Even if pluralistic democracy was desired, the wealthy elite wasn't going to give up their power immediately. The U.S. Constitution was written with this in mind, to protect the power of the "minority," but to also allow a slow evolution and transition in power to the populace.

Anyone can see the dwindling middle class and outsourcing of jobs. What happens when technology catches up with China and they replace the $1/day workers with machines?

Meanwhile in the U.S there is no way in the world our economy can compete with third world wages. Not possible, Not happening.
Crazy n Nutty Politics

Miami, FL

#28739 Aug 4, 2012
Zachary_ wrote:
<quoted text>

If the GOP keep on this course with Romney, they will undoubtedly lose, and they should win big time, as the ball is in their court.
lol @ GOP's Kerry.

I guess flip flopping is considered normal politics. I guess prearranged debate questions are normal politics. I guess vague answers and no discernible policy are normal politics.

The great 2/1 party system at work. Gotta keep them sheep thinking they are different. In reality they are not. It's like donating to the Black Panther party and the KKK...JUST IN CASES either one wins...lmfao! Either way..it's really a LOSE LOSE!

One day people will wake up.(although I highly doubt it)
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#28740 Aug 4, 2012
Crazy n Nutty Politics wrote:
<quoted text>
You know, the sad part is if they were taking men back to their hotel rooms the liberal left would've been yelling bigotry and homophobia towards military commanders.
It's a lose lose situation.
Your 100% correct!
England 2012

UK

#28741 Aug 5, 2012
Easy my yank cousins, Ron Paul, what's the score? he seems like a male Sarah Palin with more brains tho.I've read he served in the Air national guard in the sixties. Was this the same avoid the Vietnam war trick that Bush pulled?. It seems only rich boys could pull this one off, I can't believe how rich men's sons could avoid that war,and the American working class let em get away with it, whilst their own sons got shipped off to war. I know the draft eventually changed to try and be more fair, but come on. It's the same as working class Americans who vote Republican. Talk about turkeys voting for thanksgiving!!. Surely a blue collar American must see that a vote for Romney is a vote against his/ her own interests. I believe the problem is when people let that baby Jesus interfere with their own self interests. but good luck anyway, at least we have votes !.

Since: Dec 10

Allentown, Pa

#28742 Aug 5, 2012
All of the conditions are right for a GOP blowout; impossible debt, near record high unemployment, a shady President; bottom line is Americans have been put through the ringer in the last 4 years. But IMO the GOP has made a colossal error; putting up the guy who Americans rejected vehemently in 2008, and favored the guy who got thoroughly pummeled by obama! The anti-obama conviction is tremendously huge, yet the GOP is failing miserably to capitalize on it, you must ask yourself why?

I think it is because Romney does not represent himself to be a discernible difference from obama; at least not enough of one that paints a clear choice for Americans. I mean, it doesn't matter if a President has an "R" or a "D" behind their name, as the war party always calls the shots; Presidents come and go, but the Military Industrial Complex ALWAYS remains in power.

Romney, as well as the left's "class warfare warrior", obama, are bough and paid for, pink slip and all, by Goldman Sachs. About 99% of the things said by these guys running for office will be voided out if they are elected. They are just like car salesmen, only on a much bigger scale. A car salesmen, if he is desperate to meet his quota, will say literally anything to sell you his car. But once you buy it you find out that the car has major mechanical problems. Now if the salesmen told you this, you most assuredly would not buy it, and he would be out of a sale, and quite possibly lose his job. On the same token, if a Presidential candidate told the people the truth about what he intends to do, he in all likelihood, would not be elected. A great example of this was obama's outlandish promises in 2008. If he would've been honest with the people about continuing Bush's wars and starting a new one in Libya, keeping GITMO open, killing people with drones, signing an act that would make killing Americans legal, as well as spending us into oblivion, he probably would'nt have been elected, in fact John Edwards probably would've beaten him in the primaries!

Now if the GOP wants to save face with America, they will have to stay the course with Romney and quite possibly, lose. And by "saving face", I mean if the nominate Dr. Paul, he opposes all of their foreign policy trademarks like the wars, GITMO, the PA act, etc. They would be forced to concede to the public that the wars and the rest were all mistakes, and seeing is how many American soldiers died and are paralyzed by them, I just have a hard time seeing the GOP opening that can of worms.

But Ron Paul will be proven right all along, when we cannot sustain our military footprint all around the world, when the dollar is rejected. We will literally be forced into being a "non-interventionist " country.
Bill R

Pe Ell, WA

#28744 Aug 6, 2012
Anyone else here simply sick of Michael Phelps?
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#28745 Aug 7, 2012
Bill R wrote:
Anyone else here simply sick of Michael Phelps?
Michael who?

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