'Teachable Moment' In Gay Teen Suicides

'Teachable Moment' In Gay Teen Suicides

There are 119 comments on the 10News story from Oct 6, 2010, titled 'Teachable Moment' In Gay Teen Suicides. In it, 10News reports that:

Gay Americans have arrived at a "teachable moment." Often feeling marginalized in political discourse or grousing that they're used as political pawns, they have the nation's attention - and sympathy - after a recent spate of teenage suicides and two apparent anti-gay attacks in the heart of their community.

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1 Oct 6, 2010
This may help

BullyPolice.org

43 States HAVE anti bullying laws; 7 States have NO anti bullying laws ... 69% of students believe schools respond poorly to reports of bullying.
http://www.bullypolice.org/
Putneysays

San Jose, CA

#2 Oct 6, 2010
Gays have a lot of nerve talking about "political pawns." They are solely responsible for these suicides, having encouraged validation of sickness as normal. Young people preyed upon by sociopaths pushing their agendas in schools have the most base human inclinations encouraged instead of being helped with their own pathologies. Sick "teachable moments" will only worsen the problems.
Donate2NOM

United States

#4 Oct 6, 2010
Yes, this is a teachable moment in media hype and bias.
"Bullying" is the media Pet Rock du jour.
Not duped

Grove City, PA

#5 Oct 6, 2010
No people were bullied about being gay when I was growing up. Why? Because we didn't KNOW about gay. It is notable that some of the suicidal kids were bullied about being gay WITH ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THEY WERE GAY. Doesn't that tell you something? Kids now know about it (thanks to all the work by gay activists); they consider it an insult to say someone is gay; and the kids are really being hurt by being called gay. And I imagine they are particularly insulted if they AREN'T GAY.

This is not a "teachable moment." This is a propaganda moment while gay activists parade these kids' names and misfortunes around hoping for political clout out of it while calling it "honor."
Do you people even know what honor is? You don't "honor" someone who has done something totally dishonorable. Honor is earned. These kids did something stupid and very destructive to themselves and everyone around them. What is "honorable" about that?

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#6 Oct 6, 2010
Putneysays wrote:
Gays have a lot of nerve talking about "political pawns." They are solely responsible for these suicides, having encouraged validation of sickness as normal.
Being gay is NOT a sickness. If it was, how do you catch it? What are the symptoms? How does it debilitate one's life? How is it cured? Does it go into remission? Can it recur? Can I take time off work for it? Will a warmer climate help clear it up?

Like being left-handed or double jointed or having a skill at drawing, it is just another facet of humanity.

The people responsible for these suicides ARE the people who try (unscientifically) to categorize being gay as a sickness. They harass these kids into NEEDLESS guilt and shame, filling their heads with lies, making it impossible for them to believe that they can grow up happy and healthy and loved.
Putneysays wrote:
Young people preyed upon by sociopaths pushing their agendas in schools have the most base human inclinations encouraged instead of being helped with their own pathologies. Sick "teachable moments" will only worsen the problems.
Homosexuality is a base human inclination? Do you struggle against it often?

You, and Donate2NOM, and Not Duped, and so many others, sound like you don't WANT bullying to end. You sound as if you simply want to preserve your privileged position of power, so that you can continue to degrade what you don't understand, destroying young lives that you don't value anyway.
Not duped

Grove City, PA

#7 Oct 6, 2010
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
Being gay is NOT a sickness. If it was, how do you catch it? What are the symptoms? How does it debilitate one's life? How is it cured? Does it go into remission? Can it recur? Can I take time off work for it? Will a warmer climate help clear it up?
Like being left-handed or double jointed or having a skill at drawing, it is just another facet of humanity.
The people responsible for these suicides ARE the people who try (unscientifically) to categorize being gay as a sickness. They harass these kids into NEEDLESS guilt and shame, filling their heads with lies, making it impossible for them to believe that they can grow up happy and healthy and loved.
<quoted text>

Homosexuality is a base human inclination? Do you struggle against it often?
You, and Donate2NOM, and Not Duped, and so many others, sound like you don't WANT bullying to end. You sound as if you simply want to preserve your privileged position of power, so that you can continue to degrade what you don't understand, destroying young lives that you don't value anyway.
I want ALL bullying to end, and that includes the bullying that gays are doing while you pressure, pressure, pressure people into conforming to your views. I think what the gays are doing to the families of these kids if horrendous. You are USING their kids' horrible deaths and their subsequent grief to further your own end. How cold and calloused is THAT? As long as gays get what they want, those families' feelings be DAMNED.

Just because someone has been bullied about being gay DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE GAY. Don't you get it? It is one of the biggest insults one can hurl these days. It is like calling someone the N word when they aren't even black! You gays are the one's that brought this on. You filled these kids' heads with crap about homosexuality, and then you expect then to handle it maturely WHEN THEY AREN'T EVEN OLD ENOUGH TO HANDLE ANY SEXUAL TOPICS MATURELY. And, in typical Progressive fashion, after you CREATE the problem, then you offer solutions that include forcing Americans into the box you want them in. Well, we aren't going to take it any more. And I hope you all get SUED by those grieving families for diving on them like vultures.
Leftatalbuquerqu e

Canada

#8 Oct 6, 2010
Not duped wrote:
<quoted text>
I want ALL bullying to end, and that includes the bullying that gays are doing while you pressure, pressure, pressure people into conforming to your views. I think what the gays are doing to the families of these kids if horrendous. You are USING their kids' horrible deaths and their subsequent grief to further your own end. How cold and calloused is THAT? As long as gays get what they want, those families' feelings be DAMNED.
Just because someone has been bullied about being gay DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE GAY. Don't you get it? It is one of the biggest insults one can hurl these days. It is like calling someone the N word when they aren't even black! You gays are the one's that brought this on. You filled these kids' heads with crap about homosexuality, and then you expect then to handle it maturely WHEN THEY AREN'T EVEN OLD ENOUGH TO HANDLE ANY SEXUAL TOPICS MATURELY. And, in typical Progressive fashion, after you CREATE the problem, then you offer solutions that include forcing Americans into the box you want them in. Well, we aren't going to take it any more. And I hope you all get SUED by those grieving families for diving on them like vultures.
So... being pressured to be str8 is ok, even for children who are NOT "OLD ENOUGH TO HANDLE ANY SEXUAL TOPICS MATURELY"?

You're going to keep taking it, buddy,'cause no court in its right mind will outlaw self-awareness and identity, nor the process of discovery thereof. Just because you are blind to the assumed heterosexual privelige does not mean it is right.

You str8s have brought this on. You deny your children information about themselves, then blame others for supposedly leading them astray when it is you yourselves who have driven them with your own incompetence and willful ignorance of reality.

Think of how many large-busted women pose on calendar pics with truck engine blocks and oil filters in any repair garage, and you'll see a double standard. How manhy str8 kisses and embraces are protrayed in the media, and how many bay or lesbian? Odd how children that "never see gays" end up being gay in spite of it, eh? SO much for sticking their heads in the sand. Sounds like the kids are making up their own minds, without any help from you.

Str8s are everywhere. Gays are everywhere. Each deserves an equal voice, and an equal promotion.

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Oct 6, 2010
Not duped wrote:
<quoted text>
I think what the gays are doing to the families of these kids if horrendous. You are USING their kids' horrible deaths and their subsequent grief to further your own end.
The families of these teen suicides are not denying there was anti gay bullying. Nor are they denying their kids were gay in the cases in which that is known.

You're merely an extremely sick cretin. You like fer jeebus like all sexually disordered Christshariahns do.

And the "teachable moment" is when there's large civil damages against unresponsive schools or against the parents of the bullying students. Vigils and youtube videos don't cause any negative reinforcement for the bigots.

Finally, just because a state claims to have anti bullying laws or policies for its public schools does not mean that sexual orientation is protected as race, gender, religious identity are.... I suspect we had some bad stats to lead of this thread.

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Philadelphia, PA

#11 Oct 6, 2010
"You're merely an extremely sick cretin. You like fer jeebus LIE all sexually disordered Christshariahns do."

"To lead OFF this thread."

Since: Apr 07

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Oct 6, 2010
Putneysays wrote:
Gays have a lot of nerve talking about "political pawns."
And you won't stop them.
Putneysays wrote:
They are solely responsible for these suicides, having encouraged validation of sickness as normal.
Medicine, science, etc. disagree with you. I am tired of reiterating this. Therefore, I will squarely place the blame upon *the anti-gay*, including "religious" persons who continually attempt to *rape gay teens* of any sense of self-worth. How about they use bleach for the blood on their hands and forehead?
Putneysays wrote:
Young people preyed upon by sociopaths
Like "religious" rapists?
Putneysays wrote:
pushing their agendas
Of selfish, parasitic, mendacious "religion"?
Putneysays wrote:
in schools have the most base human inclinations encouraged instead of being helped with their own pathologies. Sick "teachable moments" will only worsen the problems.
Why don't you cry more about it while I continue to proclaim that the problem lies with philosophies like yours. I have no interest in your assertions except to ask *how they're going to get the blood off their hands and foreheads*. Do these anti-gay people use bleach?

Since: Apr 07

Philadelphia, PA

#13 Oct 6, 2010
Not duped wrote:
No people were bullied about being gay when I was growing up. Why? Because we didn't KNOW about gay. It is notable that some of the suicidal kids were bullied about being gay WITH ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THEY WERE GAY. Doesn't that tell you something? Kids now know about it (thanks to all the work by gay activists); they consider it an insult to say someone is gay; and the kids are really being hurt by being called gay. And I imagine they are particularly insulted if they AREN'T GAY.
This is not a "teachable moment." This is a propaganda moment while gay activists parade these kids' names and misfortunes around hoping for political clout out of it while calling it "honor."
Do you people even know what honor is? You don't "honor" someone who has done something totally dishonorable. Honor is earned. These kids did something stupid and very destructive to themselves and everyone around them. What is "honorable" about that?
Know what's cool about you and every other anti-gay person in this thread?

Your perception that these events and philosophies are being curb-stomped down your throats.

It's not, because the activists don't do what they should *REALLY* be doing, but your perception that it is ROCKS.

I am absolutely adoring your upset and your outrage because they are unmitigated goddamn bullshit. Is that clear enough for you?

Hope it is.

How about you cry some more about this, because you people are soooo furious that *NOTHING YOU DO* is stopping the activists. They *TOLD YOU* that you would not stop them. You knew this going in. You knew they'd fight by every means necessary and that *YOUR LIES* would not stop them.

And now people like you sit around crying and sucking your snot back up your noses because you can't do anything about it. Find sympathy elsewhere. I have *NEVER* seen anything so morally repugnant, so amoral and obsessively selfish, so destructive and vomit-inducing, as the *vitriol you and other anti-gay parasites* are spewing on boards about

kids

who

died.

Since: Apr 07

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Oct 6, 2010
Leftatalbuquerque wrote:
<quoted text>
So... being pressured to be str8 is ok, even for children who are NOT "OLD ENOUGH TO HANDLE ANY SEXUAL TOPICS MATURELY"?
You're going to keep taking it, buddy,'cause no court in its right mind will outlaw self-awareness and identity, nor the process of discovery thereof. Just because you are blind to the assumed heterosexual privelige does not mean it is right.
You str8s have brought this on. You deny your children information about themselves, then blame others for supposedly leading them astray when it is you yourselves who have driven them with your own incompetence and willful ignorance of reality.
Think of how many large-busted women pose on calendar pics with truck engine blocks and oil filters in any repair garage, and you'll see a double standard. How manhy str8 kisses and embraces are protrayed in the media, and how many bay or lesbian? Odd how children that "never see gays" end up being gay in spite of it, eh? SO much for sticking their heads in the sand. Sounds like the kids are making up their own minds, without any help from you.
Str8s are everywhere. Gays are everywhere. Each deserves an equal voice, and an equal promotion.
Now, when this issue *is actually kicking the anti-gay in the face*, I admire posts like yours that don't hesitate for a moment to refuse to back down. The anti-gay are too filthy for words. I can find no words. None. The words I find are not sufficient. They are like satan's spouse.

“Homosapien ”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#15 Oct 6, 2010
Not duped wrote:
Do you people even know what honor is? You don't "honor" someone who has done something totally dishonorable. Honor is earned. These kids did something stupid and very destructive to themselves and everyone around them. What is "honorable" about that?
You are being very destructive to yourself with your uneducated bullshit, there is no honor in the lies that your are spreading about homosexuality. You are a totally dishonorable and despicable person who is trying to use the death of these kids, not to defend them and those like them but to spread hate, fear and bullying. I want to spit on your grave, you are conspiring to murder children for your own political gains.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#18 Oct 7, 2010
Not duped wrote:
I want ALL bullying to end, and that includes the bullying that gays are doing while you pressure, pressure, pressure people into conforming to your views.
We ALL want ALL bullying to end, duh. Our "pressure" is NOT bullying, it is a completely justified REMINDER that gay people are to be INCLUDED in anti-bullying efforts, which too many people DON'T WANT. No one has to conform to "our views". But they DO have to treat us like everybody else.
Not duped wrote:
I think what the gays are doing to the families of these kids if horrendous. You are USING their kids' horrible deaths and their subsequent grief to further your own end.
YOU WISH. You'd LOVE to paint the gay community as heartless and manipulative. If we point to these deaths and say "SEE? See what your homophobia gets us?", that is NOT "using" them. If there were a rash of suicides in YOUR community, you would rally just as passionately and angrily.
Not duped wrote:
How cold and calloused is THAT? As long as gays get what they want, those families' feelings be DAMNED.
How do NOT see what's wrong with this? Those kids were GAY. An end to discrimination is what THEY would want. Those families' feelings are OUR feelings. How do you think you can separate gay people from the tragedies that strike our community? Don't tell us not to mourn, or not to feel outrage, or not to try to change what's wrong.
Not duped wrote:
Just because someone has been bullied about being gay DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE GAY. Don't you get it? It is one of the biggest insults one can hurl these days.
Yeah, I DO get it, I think YOU don't. ALL bullying needs to end. Using "gay" as an insult needs to end, too.
Not duped wrote:
It is like calling someone the N word when they aren't even black! You gays are the one's that brought this on. You filled these kids' heads with crap about homosexuality, and then you expect then to handle it maturely WHEN THEY AREN'T EVEN OLD ENOUGH TO HANDLE ANY SEXUAL TOPICS MATURELY.
What a pile of garbage. Who do you suppose filled MY head with "crap about homosexuality" when I was 14 years old? There were no gay activists then, no movement, barely even a community, certainly none I had ever heard of. I didn't have or need anyone to tell me how to be gay, it came quite naturally. Kids these days are no different. If they're gay, they'll discover it on their own. This is what we MEAN when explain (over and over and over) that being gay is NOT a choice. These kids get messed up because people like you REFUSE to give them the tools they need to process who they are. You'd rather load them up with unnecessary guilt and shame, instead of help them understand that it's okay to be different.

Homosexuality didn't kill these kids. Other people's messed up values about it did. Values which teach that homosexuality should be shunned and resisted.
Not duped wrote:
And, in typical Progressive fashion, after you CREATE the problem,...
No, it was Repressives who caused this problem. Stop telling people that they're wrong to be who they are!
Not duped wrote:
...then you offer solutions that include forcing Americans into the box you want them in.
Our solutions include allowing people to be who they are, allowing them to be happy with how nature has made them. The "box" that some Americans need to be in is the one where they treat their box-mates with some respect.
Not duped wrote:
Well, we aren't going to take it any more. And I hope you all get SUED by those grieving families for diving on them like vultures.
More likely they'll sue the bullies, which is who should be punished for this. Too bad they can't go after the enablers and eggers-on, too, because then people like you could be punished for creating an environment of fear and oppression.
KeepGitmoOpen

Flemington, NJ

#20 Oct 7, 2010
Barney Frank is really gay, and not becuase he likes it in the pooper.
ex gay

Easton, PA

#21 Oct 7, 2010
Too bad he didn't seek help if he was embarassed of his affair.

Evidently deep down he knew that having gay encounters was wrong and he was embarassed.

Would it have been any less of a crime if he were straight?

Nope.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#22 Oct 7, 2010
ex gay wrote:
Too bad he didn't seek help if he was embarassed of his affair.
Evidently deep down he knew that having gay encounters was wrong and he was embarassed.
Would it have been any less of a crime if he were straight?
Nope.
People like him get embarrassed because people like YOU are CONSTANTLY yammering on about gay encounters being "wrong". YOU drill shame and guilt into people, and for no other reason than to make yourself look better by comparison. There is NOTHING "wrong" with loving another human being, only with hating and degrading one. If nature made you a certain way, then you are a fool to trifle with it. Be who you ARE. If you can't do that, then let OTHER people do it, and leave them alone.
ex gay

Easton, PA

#23 Oct 8, 2010
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
People like him get embarrassed because people like YOU are CONSTANTLY yammering on about gay encounters being "wrong". YOU drill shame and guilt into people, and for no other reason than to make yourself look better by comparison. There is NOTHING "wrong" with loving another human being, only with hating and degrading one. If nature made you a certain way, then you are a fool to trifle with it. Be who you ARE. If you can't do that, then let OTHER people do it, and leave them alone.
If you're embarrassed by sodomizing another man, then stop it.

Simple enough that even a child can understand it.
Mona Lott

Jackson, NJ

#24 Oct 8, 2010
ex gay wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're embarrassed by sodomizing another man, then stop it.
Simple enough that even a child can understand it.
Ex gay....... hahahahahahahahahahahahah

Yeah, that could happen......

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#25 Oct 8, 2010
Not duped wrote:
No people were bullied about being gay when I was growing up. Why? Because we didn't KNOW about gay. It is notable that some of the suicidal kids were bullied about being gay WITH ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THEY WERE GAY. Doesn't that tell you something? Kids now know about it (thanks to all the work by gay activists); they consider it an insult to say someone is gay; and the kids are really being hurt by being called gay. And I imagine they are particularly insulted if they AREN'T GAY.
This is not a "teachable moment." This is a propaganda moment while gay activists parade these kids' names and misfortunes around hoping for political clout out of it while calling it "honor."
Do you people even know what honor is? You don't "honor" someone who has done something totally dishonorable. Honor is earned. These kids did something stupid and very destructive to themselves and everyone around them. What is "honorable" about that?
"I cannot think that we are useless, or God would not have created us. And the Sun, the darkness, the winds are all listening to what we have to say." - Geronimo

"An eye for an eye leaves the world blind" -Gandhi

"When two people are at one in their inmost hearts, they shatter even the strength of iron or bronze; and when two people understand each other in their inmost hearts, their words are sweet and strong like the fragrance of orchids." - I Ching

Silence = Death
- AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power (ACT-UP)

WHEN YOU THOUGHT I WASN'T LOOKING

A message every adult should read because children
are watching you and doing as you do, not as you say.

When you thought I wasn't looking I saw you hang my
first painting on the refrigerator, and I immediately
wanted to paint another one.

When you thought I wasn't looking I saw you feed a
stray cat, and I learned that it was good to be kind
to animals.

When you thought I wasn't looking I saw you make my
favorite cake for me, and I learned that the little
things can be the special things in life.

When you thought I wasn't looking I heard you say a
prayer, and I knew that there is a God I could always
talk to, and I learned to trust in Him.

When you thought I wasn't looking I saw you make a
meal and take it to a friend who was sick, and I
learned that we all have to help take care of each other.

When you thought I wasn't looking I saw you take care
of our house and everyone in it, and I learned we have
to take care of what we are given.

When you thought I wasn't looking I saw how you
handled your responsibilities, even when you didn't
feel good, and I learned that I would have to be
responsible when I grow up.

When you thought I wasn't looking I saw tears come
from your eyes, and I learned that sometimes things
hurt, but it's all right to cry.

When you thought I wasn't looking I saw that you
cared, and I wanted to be everything that I could be.

When you thought I wasn't looking I learned most of
life's lessons that I need to know to be a good and
productive person when I grow up.

When you thought I wasn't looking I looked at you and
wanted to say,'Thanks for all the things I saw when
you thought I wasn't looking'

I AM SENDING THIS TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE I KNOW
WHO DO SO MUCH FOR OTHERS,
BUT THINK THAT NO ONE EVER SEES.
LITTLE EYES SEE A LOT .

Each of us (parent, grandparent, aunt, uncle, teacher, friend)
influences the life of a child.

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply.
Speak kindly.
Leave the rest to God
Never allow someone to be your priority while allowing yourself to be their option.

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