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There are 29 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Mar 23, 2010, titled Colts look to make smooth O-coordinator transition. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

The only thing worse than winning ugly is losing uglier. The Democrats' ungainly march toward a victory on health care reform Sunday night provoked a graceless response from angry House Republicans, who shouted insults across the chamber, encouraged outbursts from the galleries, brandished "Kill the bill" placards from the Speaker's Balcony and, ...

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matman72

Mankato, MN

#1 Mar 23, 2010
Viva la Revolucion!
Joe Merlot

United States

#2 Mar 23, 2010
If the Dem's think that villifying the GOP for their outrage will somehow save them for having to answer to the public for the blatant slap in the face that Dem's have delivered, they are sorely mistaken.

Further, most of the "acts" are pretty tame with a couple of exceptions.

Sorry Dem's, the poster on the chair's of the uncommitted was very apropos and you will pay for this bill with seats.

Unless this bill is challenged and found unconstitutional, it will likely not be repealed and Dem's know this full well which is why it is so madening. They are knowingly sacrificing their electoral numbers to advance an ideology that they passionatly believe in and that they know the public does not. It is one of the worst abuses of representation that an elected official can commit and it is absolutely worthy of the anger and frustration that it has produced.
Schoolhouse rock

Sunnyvale, CA

#3 Mar 23, 2010
There are times in history when those who are normally silent while others shout vitriol and abuse, must speak. If they don't the stones would cry out. Those on the other side of this issue have been horrible examples of how to peacefully protest anything. The examples are too numerous to count. I've seen it many times, (GOP welcoming committee, earth first and PETA protestors, gay rights, angry minority mobs overturning cars, assaulting people etc.) and no one within their own ranks doing a thing about it. The examples of ugliness are tame by comparison. It's a ridiculous comparison. Conservatives should not waste too much time worrying about it.
JRC

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Mar 23, 2010
I think it is right that the Dem's are going to see a difference in their seats this fall because of this bill. I think that a large number of "Say no to everything" Republicans will be sent home because the American public is fed up with their of the money, for the money, and by the money philosophy. They would not vote to outlaw murder if such a law was introduced by anyone but one of their own. Wake up! The American people are.
Larry

Elk River, MN

#5 Mar 23, 2010
They had a chance to make healthcare reform something good that would lower cost and make it more accessable and agreeable to the American Public. This legislation may make it "more accessable", but at a totataly miss-represented cost that will cause us to loose jobs, raise taxes (and prices of everything that is produced), make jobs further shift overseas) and does abolutely nothing to control the actual cost of healthcare.
BS detector

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Mar 23, 2010
Since when is it "arrogant" to pass legislation promoted in a party platform, with a majority vote in the house and senate? A better title might be "Are Republics feeling threatened because their racist, tantruming tactics no longer work?"
Larry

Elk River, MN

#7 Mar 23, 2010
JRC wrote:
I think it is right that the Dem's are going to see a difference in their seats this fall because of this bill. I think that a large number of "Say no to everything" Republicans will be sent home because the American public is fed up with their of the money, for the money, and by the money philosophy. They would not vote to outlaw murder if such a law was introduced by anyone but one of their own. Wake up! The American people are.
Wow, if you think the DEMS will pick ups seats over this you must be hinding under a rock. The people know what a sham this is and it will become clearer and clearer as the elections come closer. I, for one, have never activily participated in politics (only voted), and have become more motivated than ever in my 50 years to take back this country (from both the Dems and Repubs) that are turning this once great country into a welfare state. I will be, along with thousands/millions of others, be doing more than just voting this time around.
A regular American

Gilbert, AZ

#8 Mar 23, 2010
How can you people justify the actions of the GOP. The house chamber is supposed to be a place for passionate but resonable debate. Inciting prostesers is not resonable. It sounds like it was a bunch of angry children, not adults elected to represent the people. If their actions are representative of the people that elected them, this country has more problems than this bill.

“Who, me?”

Since: Jun 08

Amery

#9 Mar 23, 2010
I think it's a little bit of the conservatives being bad sports, and a little bit of the republicans angry at being left out of the process.

You'll notice I listed conservatives and republicans differently.
Because, the conservative movement of the republican party is moving away from the core republican values and becoming more radical and polarizing.

While the seeming arrogance shown by the democrats in shoving this bill down our throats will end up costing them, so too will the conservatives rhetoric end up costing them.

I don't like this bill.
Not because I'm opposed to health care for everyone, but because this is a bad bill.
If the government is going to require everyone to have insurance or risk penalties, then the government needs to provide it.
They are looking to cut insurers profits. Fine. But, how will that affect you? With worse coverage, of course.

The democrats themselves have said this is not a perfect bill. Some have called it seriously flawed.
But, instead of working with people, and listening to what the public wants, the shove a bad bill down our throats.

Don't get me wrong. The conservatives have done all they can to ruin the bills chances of being good.

What we need to do is, vote EVERYONE out of Washington, and start over. With real people. Not politicians. We need people that know what it's like to live in the real world. The world the rest of America lives in.

And, everyone who supports this bill and thinks it's so great:
If it's such a great health care bill, why did the house and senate BOTH include language that exempts them from it?
Well, what can we expect from people who are in charge of deciding their own raises every year.

*note*
This post isn't pro one side anti the other.
It's anti both sides.
No one showed proper behavior in getting this bill passed.
No one.
Nota Sheep

Jonesboro, TX

#10 Mar 23, 2010
Can we get this straight? He did not yell "baby killer" at a person; he yelled that THE BILL was a baby-killer.

Nice hatchet-job reporting, morons...
gwisahoax

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Mar 23, 2010
So someone please tell me when politics WAS NOT ugly. Personally I am sick of both parties inability to accept the fact the someone else might actually have a good idea (other than themselves). I'm sick of it all.
Nota Sheep

Jonesboro, TX

#12 Mar 23, 2010
A regular American wrote:
How can you people justify the actions of the GOP. The house chamber is supposed to be a place for passionate but resonable debate. Inciting prostesers is not resonable. It sounds like it was a bunch of angry children, not adults elected to represent the people. If their actions are representative of the people that elected them, this country has more problems than this bill.
Seeing how this bill was passed, and how the Republicans were banned from debate on it at various times, how the left said they would hear Republican ideas but in the end only ONE item remains (out of 2000+ pages? Only one Republican idea?), it sure sounds to me like the Democrats were the ones acting like little children. "It's my ball and I'm going home". WAAAAHHH!!!

And in the end, all they ended up doing was passing a huge, wasteful, expensive bill that will raise insurance rates and still not provide a lot of people with health care.
gwisahoax

Minneapolis, MN

#13 Mar 23, 2010
ottermann wrote:
I don't like this bill.
Not because I'm opposed to health care for everyone, but because this is a bad bill.
If the government is going to require everyone to have insurance or risk penalties, then the government needs to provide it.
They are looking to cut insurers profits. Fine. But, how will that affect you? With worse coverage, of course.
That is exactly why 13 states have filed a lawsuit already claiming the bill is unconstitutional. I think the states have a very good case and this law will go down in flames.
gwisahoax

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Mar 23, 2010
Give me a break people. If the United States Congress behaved in a cooperative nature, it would be the first time in my lifetime and possibly the history of the United States. It is working as designed by our founding fathers.
Joe Merlot

United States

#15 Mar 23, 2010
ottermann wrote:
I think it's a little bit of the conservatives being bad sports, and a little bit of the republicans angry at being left out of the process.
You'll notice I listed conservatives and republicans differently.
Because, the conservative movement of the republican party is moving away from the core republican values and becoming more radical and polarizing.
While the seeming arrogance shown by the democrats in shoving this bill down our throats will end up costing them, so too will the conservatives rhetoric end up costing them.
I don't like this bill.
Not because I'm opposed to health care for everyone, but because this is a bad bill.
If the government is going to require everyone to have insurance or risk penalties, then the government needs to provide it.
They are looking to cut insurers profits. Fine. But, how will that affect you? With worse coverage, of course.
The democrats themselves have said this is not a perfect bill. Some have called it seriously flawed.
But, instead of working with people, and listening to what the public wants, the shove a bad bill down our throats.
Don't get me wrong. The conservatives have done all they can to ruin the bills chances of being good.
What we need to do is, vote EVERYONE out of Washington, and start over. With real people. Not politicians. We need people that know what it's like to live in the real world. The world the rest of America lives in.
And, everyone who supports this bill and thinks it's so great:
If it's such a great health care bill, why did the house and senate BOTH include language that exempts them from it?
Well, what can we expect from people who are in charge of deciding their own raises every year.
*note*
This post isn't pro one side anti the other.
It's anti both sides.
No one showed proper behavior in getting this bill passed.
No one.
I would disagree with you that the conservative movement is a radical one, although, I understand that to be a convenient position for someone of your ideology. In truth, the conservative movemen is largely mainstream middle Americans that believe in limited taxes and limited size/scope of government. Traditional partisan leaders and constiuencies are threatened by the notion that another movement could attrack enough support to usurp their power. As a result, they do their best to discredit the movement and brand them as radicals such as you have. They'll magnify the actions of 10 people as if they reflect the credibility of the millions of others supporting the cause or they'll come out suggesting that limited size/scope of government translates to no national security, roads, police/fire, etc... Basically nonsensical stuff that only those who are desparate to cling to their partsanship will believe.

Understanding your position, we are of different mindsets so I won't bother debating what a "good" solution to the Health Care crisis would be. I'll simply say that conservatives believe in a market based approach as is the traditional role of governmet to regulate. Despite the retorts to this position, it is not ideological more it is practicle in the context of a free market system based on capitalism which is and always has been the US economic model. It is not possible to portray that to those steeped in socialistic ideology as they fundamentally disagree with regulated free market capitalism even though they cannot point to robust and hollistic success of any socialistic economic model.
pim

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Mar 23, 2010
Joe Merlot wrote:
If the Dem's think that villifying the GOP for their outrage will somehow save them for having to answer to the public for the blatant slap in the face that Dem's have delivered, they are sorely mistaken.
Further, most of the "acts" are pretty tame with a couple of exceptions.
Sorry Dem's, the poster on the chair's of the uncommitted was very apropos and you will pay for this bill with seats.
Unless this bill is challenged and found unconstitutional, it will likely not be repealed and Dem's know this full well which is why it is so madening. They are knowingly sacrificing their electoral numbers to advance an ideology that they passionatly believe in and that they know the public does not. It is one of the worst abuses of representation that an elected official can commit and it is absolutely worthy of the anger and frustration that it has produced.
"to advance an ideology" Health care for everyone? Wow, what a radical, shameful, awful concept. You had 8 years to do something and chose not to.
Yes he did

Saint Paul, MN

#17 Mar 23, 2010
Nota Sheep wrote:
Can we get this straight? He did not yell "baby killer" at a person; he yelled that THE BILL was a baby-killer.
Nice hatchet-job reporting, morons...
Because he said that he did after the fact? Moron.
Joe Merlot

United States

#18 Mar 23, 2010
pim wrote:
<quoted text>
"to advance an ideology" Health care for everyone? Wow, what a radical, shameful, awful concept. You had 8 years to do something and chose not to.
(a), I didn't have 8 years to do jack shat, the Government did and (b) they were a little busy dealing with the recession following the .com era, the 2001 terrorist attacks, the corporate scandles that rocked the investment community (and economy), wars in Afghanistan and (the ill conceived) Iraq. Further, Democrats blocked legitmate reform efforts that were attempted as it was not single payer and offended some of their constiuencies (like trial lawyers).

And Health Insurance is not a basic right provided by the constitution no matter how much you think it should be. Government domain is to regulate industry practices to protect consumers, the economy and to stimulate markets. Government domain is not paying for insurance for millions of Americans on the backs of millions of other americans. This piece of garbage turns the whol health care industry upside down and creates a myriad of new problems without fixing any of the originals.

Sorry, your a dick head.
Joe Merlot

United States

#19 Mar 23, 2010
Yes he did wrote:
<quoted text>
Because he said that he did after the fact? Moron.
Who gives a rats a55 what he shouted. It's not worse than passing a bill that very well may be unconstitutional at worst and is extremely ill conceived and damaging to many at best.

Let's declare our color's here. What's your healthcare situation. Me, I have a $400 BCBS plan that cover's nothing until I pay $1,500 and goes to 20% co-ins until I have $7k out of pockets. We have $5k in medical bills from average run of the mill kids stuff (3 under 10), tonsil extraction, dental, colds, etc... This bill is going to increase my premiums and out of pocket and that's the case for the majority of american's impacted by this bill. I base that assessment knowing that my health plan will be taxed based on the criteria in the bill and based on the language in the bill related to underwriting practices and premium increase guidlines. My employer will further pass along the tax costs and the insurance provider will make some combination of changes to premiums and out of pocket costs. That's a given.

Do you even know how it will impact you?
republican

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Mar 23, 2010
Nota Sheep wrote:
Can we get this straight? He did not yell "baby killer" at a person; he yelled that THE BILL was a baby-killer.
Nice hatchet-job reporting, morons...
your the moron, whats the difference? if you shout baby killer, so are you saying god is a baby killer? because god is the ultimate giver of life or death and 20% of pregnancy end in miscarriages, so that makes god the biggest baby killer of all for allowinf miscarriages.

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