Stupak feels arrows from his own side

Apr 4, 2010 Full story: Detroit Free Press 137

If there were two words Bart Stupak never expected to hear, those were the two. Shouted at him.

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#123 Apr 12, 2010
Bitner wrote:
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I'm saying that assuming a business closes down for reasons other than the economy these days is stupid. Have the RATES of abortions gone down? Do you even know? No, you couldn't. You're just engaged in wishful thinking.
Some business are closing down, because there is not enough workers willing to continue the business and this is the case in small family owned business when the owners are ready to retire or just unable to continue on. I have friend who owns a tree farm, and while the business was a profitable one, his sons have pursued other vocations, and the owners don't want to sell there business, because their house and property are all part of the business. So are you saying that the economy is the reason, and their reasons are stupid?\
As for abortion, If you and lulu believe that financial stability is the reason birthrates are droppping, then wouldn't that be an opportunity expand the abortion business, instead of closing down locations? Seems to me, you've bought the pro-abortion lie, hook line and sinker.
Lux et Veritas

Minneapolis, MN

#124 Apr 12, 2010
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>Really, since when lulu? Seems to me for not being a pro-abort she sure spends a lot of time defending and supporting abortion.
Defending the indefensible with its arsenal of lies: Planned Parenthood's continuing but futile quest.

"A Second Wisconsin Planned Parenthood Caught On Tape Giving Misleading Medical Information"

"In the video, a staffer tells a woman who is reportedly 6 to 8 weeks pregnant that at this stage her baby has "no arms, no legs, no heart no head, no brain." The staffer emphasizes the difficulties of adoption, urges the woman to obtain an abortion as soon as possible, says that images of abortion are fabricated, and states that the unborn child at 6 to 8 weeks has no "identifiable parts" and is just "fetal matter."

http://liveaction.org/index.php/projects/rosa...

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Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#125 Apr 12, 2010
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>Really, since when lulu? Seems to me for not being a pro-abort she sure spends a lot of time defending and supporting abortion.
When you decide to attack adoption or allowing women to bring a pregnancy to term, I assure you, she will adamantly defend those "choices" as well.

But you know this already.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#126 Apr 12, 2010
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>Some business are closing down, because there is not enough workers willing to continue the business and this is the case in small family owned business when the owners are ready to retire or just unable to continue on. I have friend who owns a tree farm, and while the business was a profitable one, his sons have pursued other vocations, and the owners don't want to sell there business, because their house and property are all part of the business. So are you saying that the economy is the reason, and their reasons are stupid?\
As for abortion, If you and lulu believe that financial stability is the reason birthrates are droppping, then wouldn't that be an opportunity expand the abortion business, instead of closing down locations? Seems to me, you've bought the pro-abortion lie, hook line and sinker.
Perhaps in spite of your efforts to discredit birth control, people are using it more and more in an effort to avoid unwanted pregnancies?

Gee, that would be too LOGICAL wouldn't it??

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Since: Sep 07

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#127 Apr 12, 2010
Lux et Veritas wrote:
<quoted text>
Defending the indefensible with its arsenal of lies: Planned Parenthood's continuing but futile quest.
"A Second Wisconsin Planned Parenthood Caught On Tape Giving Misleading Medical Information"
"In the video, a staffer tells a woman who is reportedly 6 to 8 weeks pregnant that at this stage her baby has "no arms, no legs, no heart no head, no brain." The staffer emphasizes the difficulties of adoption, urges the woman to obtain an abortion as soon as possible, says that images of abortion are fabricated, and states that the unborn child at 6 to 8 weeks has no "identifiable parts" and is just "fetal matter."
http://liveaction.org/index.php/projects/rosa...
Fetal matter is what unborn babies exist of, but tell the mother that her unborn child consist of the cells that her own body is made of? How will that cell abortions? Nope it is better to mislead them, get the abortion and then if they find out later, its just their fault that they didn't get all the information themselves.

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#128 Apr 12, 2010
LadiLulu wrote:
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When you decide to attack adoption or allowing women to bring a pregnancy to term, I assure you, she will adamantly defend those "choices" as well.
But you know this already.
Like you and your willingness to force sterilization on those that you deem unworthy to be parents? Sure Lulu, I have heard how you and foo, refer to adoptions. So is foo, over in the adoption forums defending adoption as a choice. My guess is no, because she supports abortion far more than she supports adoption or giving birth. Or how about how you and foo referred to my wife who freely chose life for all of our kids? You made derogatory remarks about her and her choice to give life. Its all about abortion to you pro-aborts.

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#129 Apr 12, 2010
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>Some business are closing down, because there is not enough workers willing to continue the business and this is the case in small family owned business when the owners are ready to retire or just unable to continue on. I have friend who owns a tree farm, and while the business was a profitable one, his sons have pursued other vocations, and the owners don't want to sell there business, because their house and property are all part of the business. So are you saying that the economy is the reason, and their reasons are stupid?\
As for abortion, If you and lulu believe that financial stability is the reason birthrates are droppping, then wouldn't that be an opportunity expand the abortion business, instead of closing down locations? Seems to me, you've bought the pro-abortion lie, hook line and sinker.
"So are you saying that the economy is the reason, and their reasons are stupid?\"

LOL, no, that's not what I said. I said YOU are stupid for assuming you know the reason the clinics are closing.

"As for abortion, If you and lulu believe that financial stability is the reason birthrates are droppping, then wouldn't that be an opportunity expand the abortion business, instead of closing down locations?"

Excuse me, but where did I even MENTION birth rates dropping?

You're getting to be as stupid as your father. Which lends credence to the theory that it's the exhaust fumes causing brain damage.
Lux et Veritas

Minneapolis, MN

#130 Apr 12, 2010
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>Fetal matter is what unborn babies exist of, but tell the mother that her unborn child consist of the cells that her own body is made of? How will that cell abortions? Nope it is better to mislead them, get the abortion and then if they find out later, its just their fault that they didn't get all the information themselves.
Truth has always been the bane of the abortion movement's existence.

Former Director of Planned Parenthood Abby Johnson: "I know that a lot of [abortion] clinic workers feel trapped in the abortion industry... One thing that drives them [the abortion industry] always is profit... The bottom line is that they're hurting; their numbers are down. People aren't going to them for family planning services like they used to; they can't fill up their schedules like they used to... They [PP] assume that minority women are naive and will listen to anything they say... For the entire fiscal year '09 our family planning clincs were in the hole; ...the only reason Planned Parenthood made any money in fiscal year '09 was because of their abortion services. It's a cash business; they don't file insurance because they want to be sure they get the money up front.... they charge anywhere from $500 to $900 for abortions up to 16 weeks ... that [abortion profit] really is what saves them at the end of the year... As many as 8 of 10 women who view ultrasounds and view the heartbeat of their child change their minds about abortion... Abortion facilities don't want women to make that maternal connection because then they lose money if the woman chooses life... Almost all the women walking in to have an abortion think it's a baby; when they ask you questions, they say,'What about my baby?' They call it a baby, but the clinic workers are not going to respond in that same kind of language."

http://www.blip.tv/file/3372786 -- Interview with Abby Johnson

“Blessed Be”

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#131 Apr 12, 2010
Lux et Veritas wrote:
<quoted text>
Defending the indefensible with its arsenal of lies: Planned Parenthood's continuing but futile quest.
"A Second Wisconsin Planned Parenthood Caught On Tape Giving Misleading Medical Information"
"In the video, a staffer tells a woman who is reportedly 6 to 8 weeks pregnant that at this stage her baby has "no arms, no legs, no heart no head, no brain." The staffer emphasizes the difficulties of adoption, urges the woman to obtain an abortion as soon as possible, says that images of abortion are fabricated, and states that the unborn child at 6 to 8 weeks has no "identifiable parts" and is just "fetal matter."
http://liveaction.org/index.php/projects/rosa...
1)There is no proof that this highly edited video was even taken at a PP clinic.
2)The person's face was blurred, so there is no proof that they were saying what is attributted to them. It may be a voice-over.
3)The US pic was misleading. At 7 weeks pregnant, the embryo is only 5 weeks along. THIS is what it actually looks like, and what is seen from an abortion at that time.
http://images.google.com/imgres...
Lux et Veritas

Minneapolis, MN

#132 Apr 12, 2010
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
1)There is no proof that this highly edited video was even taken at a PP clinic.
2)The person's face was blurred, so there is no proof that they were saying what is attributted to them. It may be a voice-over.
3)The US pic was misleading. At 7 weeks pregnant, the embryo is only 5 weeks along. THIS is what it actually looks like, and what is seen from an abortion at that time.
http://images.google.com/imgres...
More rhetorically vapid desperation from a losing side. Exposure of the truth has always been the bane of the abortion movement. Most rational pro-aborts now have the good sense to admit they're losing. They're just vainly trying to devise public-square strategies to defend the indefensible. Short of shutting off all Internet/billboard images of the unborn, there's no way that'll ever happen. And women's hearts will continue to be changed when they see the babies in their wombs.

"Two interesting pieces in the last several days, "There is no women's movement," by Taylor Marsh at the Huffington Post, and "Why pro-choice is losing," at the Academic OB/GYN blog.

"The women in politics either too old or too lazy to recall the dangers of not having 100% control over your own body. Some of our menopausal matrons simply not up to the task; while young women yawn in ignorance of what's being dismantled."

....

"Right now, anti-choice is wiping the floor with pro-choice. Pro-choice is always on the defensive, and never on the offensive. Prochoice is tending goal and Prolife is always taking shots. This can only go on so long before one gets in the net, and we've been seeing that happen lately....

http://www.jillstanek.com/why-pro-aborts-thin...

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#133 Apr 12, 2010
Lux et Veritas wrote:
<quoted text>
"More rhetorically vapid desperation from a losing side. Exposure of the truth has always been the bane of the abortion movement. Most rational pro-aborts now have the good sense to admit they're losing. They're just vainly trying to devise public-square strategies to defend the indefensible. Short of shutting off all Internet/billboard images of the unborn, there's no way that'll ever happen. And women's hearts will continue to be changed when they see the babies in their wombs."

No truth has been exposed by that video. In fact, there was a glaring lie; the picture of a fetus at 9 weeks of pregnancy, and the attempt to pass it off as an embryo at 7 weeks.

"Two interesting pieces in the last several days, "There is no women's movement," by Taylor Marsh at the Huffington Post, and "Why pro-choice is losing," at the Academic OB/GYN blog.
"The women in politics either too old or too lazy to recall the dangers of not having 100% control over your own body. Some of our menopausal matrons simply not up to the task; while young women yawn in ignorance of what's being dismantled."

Sorry, but the personal opinion of a few individuals doesn't mean anything to the movement as a whole.

"Right now, anti-choice is wiping the floor with pro-choice. Pro-choice is always on the defensive, and never on the offensive. Prochoice is tending goal and Prolife is always taking shots. This can only go on so long before one gets in the net, and we've been seeing that happen lately....

http://www.jillstanek.com/why-pro-aborts-thin ... "

Why would anyone take seriously the ravings of a woman who claims that the Chinese serve "Sweet and Sour Fetus" as a delicacy in restaurants. Note; even SHE doesn't say 'baby', but fetus.

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Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#134 Apr 12, 2010
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>Like you and your willingness to force sterilization on those that you deem unworthy to be parents? Sure Lulu, I have heard how you and foo, refer to adoptions. So is foo, over in the adoption forums defending adoption as a choice. My guess is no, because she supports abortion far more than she supports adoption or giving birth. Or how about how you and foo referred to my wife who freely chose life for all of our kids? You made derogatory remarks about her and her choice to give life. Its all about abortion to you pro-aborts.
No, fool. I don't want to force sterilization on anyone?! And foo has ADOPTED you numbskull! We referred to your wife in that manner because you *clearly* only support the choice to gestate.

How does it feel to have someone threaten to take that away? Just as you feel abortion is irresponsible,*I* feel that breeding with reckless abandon is irresponsible. Would you like ME to start pushing for legislation to try to stop people from having too many kids? Of course not! And I wouldn't ANYWAY, because regardless of my *personal* feelings, I FULLY RESPECT and will FIGHT FOR *your* right to have as many kids as you and your wife desire.

If we were in China right now I'd be fighting *against* the one-child policy, as I feel that it violates peoples' rights to their own reproductive choices.

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#135 Apr 12, 2010
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>Like you and your willingness to force sterilization on those that you deem unworthy to be parents?
Wasn't it BS who wanted to do that?
marysaidyes2life wrote:
Sure Lulu, I have heard how you and foo, refer to adoptions. So is foo, over in the adoption forums defending adoption as a choice. My guess is no, because she supports abortion far more than she supports adoption or giving birth.
This just proves how nuts you are. Foo's never had an abortion, but she has adopted a child (as have I). So EXACTLY how is she supporting abortion more than adoption? How about you, Mary? Any chance you've opened up your home to a child who needs one?
marysaidyes2life wrote:
Or how about how you and foo referred to my wife who freely chose life for all of our kids? You made derogatory remarks about her and her choice to give life. Its all about abortion to you pro-aborts.
No, it's all about choice.
Scooby Dooby Doo

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#136 Apr 12, 2010
If you want proof of how plannedpatenthood is protecting child molesters and does not have womens best interests in mind YouTube liveactionfilms . It also might be interesting to know who founded PP and what she stood for and why the racist want abortion legal. Obama is either misinformed or sold out his people mlk would be proud I'm sure
Lux et Veritas

Minneapolis, MN

#137 May 13, 2010
Time to change that headline: Abortion supporters feel heat from Democrats (who actually want a shot at winning Stupak's seat)

It's another of many Apocalypse Now moments for abortion supporters: Michigan Democrats endorse a Bart Stupak replacement with a functioning conscience. And the abortion movement's pundits and poobahs are once again weeping in their Pink Ladies. Whatever happened to those halcyon pre-ultrasound days when Big Abortion's morally barren slogans ruled the world and the Party of Death could demand unswerving fealty from its candidates?

Anna Clark writes in Salon: "When Stupak decided not to run for another term, the news should have buoyed [pro-abortion true believer Connie] Saltonstall's campaign. Instead, Saltonstall found herself hung out to dry by a state Democratic Party that groomed another candidate as successor to Stupak’s seat: Gary McDowell, a Democratic state representative so opposed to reproductive rights that he voted to ban a safe abortion method even in the cases of rape and incest, or to protect a woman's health. He has been endorsed by the antiabortion group Right to Life."

The most unkindest cut of all: a Democrat endorsed by Right to Life. Oh, the humanity!

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#138 May 15, 2010
C Hamilton wrote:
<quoted text>Wasn't it BS who wanted to do that?
<quoted text>This just proves how nuts you are. Foo's never had an abortion, but she has adopted a child (as have I). So EXACTLY how is she supporting abortion more than adoption? How about you, Mary? Any chance you've opened up your home to a child who needs one?
<quoted text>No, it's all about choice.
actually, I am not sure about Big sky wanting to that, but I do recall twice where lulu wanted to that. Plus her fears of overpopulation and her constant hysteria about as she calles them wreckless breeders show she is not as pro-choice as you all would like to make her out to be.

You know so little about me, but your efforts to twist what I say has left me unwilling to share all that I do for those in situations that are hard and sometimes unfair. One thing I don't do is support the killing of unborn children, just because things are hard and unfair, precisely because it is unfair to stop a life just because things get hard.

“A person is a person no matter”

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#139 May 15, 2010
C Hamilton wrote:
<quoted text>No, it's all about choice.
If its all about choice, then why does the unborn child created, growing and developing in the womb of his mother get denied a choice and loses its life in the deception that is passed off as choice?

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