U.S. Rep. Hobson, Republican from Springfield, Ohio, to retire

Oct 15, 2007 Full story: Cleveland.com 47

Rep. David Hobson, a nine-term Republican from Springfield, Ohio, announced plans to retire Sunday, the 12th member of his party to do so since the beginning of the year. via Cleveland.com

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Native Amer German Irish

Dayton, OH

#21 Dec 14, 2007
ucantbsrius wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, or put the money and resources into some ones hands that have everything to lose by messing it up. Oversight is the key. We all need to do more oversight.
Unfortunately, there are not many that ANYONE can trust nowadays.

Democrats and Republicans BOTH should be ashamed of what they've done in Washington.

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#22 Dec 14, 2007
Native Amer German Irish wrote:
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Unfortunately, there are not many that ANYONE can trust nowadays.
Democrats and Republicans BOTH should be ashamed of what they've done in Washington.
Canadians have some Gov't issues they've had to work on and need to work on too.
It's too bad the heavy line drawn between the parties couldn't get blurred sometimes. It used to happen , didn't it?
Native Amer German Irish

Dayton, OH

#23 Dec 14, 2007
ucantbsrius wrote:
<quoted text>Canadians have some Gov't issues they've had to work on and need to work on too.
It's too bad the heavy line drawn between the parties couldn't get blurred sometimes. It used to happen , didn't it?
Yes, I imagine in years past there was more cooperation between the parties, but BOTH parties have given up their core values for the benefit of a few special interests on BOTH sides. Our next Presidential election will decide whether or not our children HAVE a future or if it's already been sold down the river by both Dems & Republicans. I'm undecided, but leaning toward Ron Paul.

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#24 Dec 15, 2007
Native Amer German Irish wrote:
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Yes, I imagine in years past there was more cooperation between the parties, but BOTH parties have given up their core values for the benefit of a few special interests on BOTH sides. Our next Presidential election will decide whether or not our children HAVE a future or if it's already been sold down the river by both Dems & Republicans. I'm undecided, but leaning toward Ron Paul.
I can understand why Ron Paul. Me, I'd be for Dennis Kusinich. I believe both candidates represent their parties well. They are true to their ideals and don't speak out of both sides of their mouths.
Native Amer German Irish

Dayton, OH

#25 Dec 15, 2007
ucantbsrius wrote:
<quoted text>I can understand why Ron Paul. Me, I'd be for Dennis Kusinich. I believe both candidates represent their parties well. They are true to their ideals and don't speak out of both sides of their mouths.
Well, I like Kusinich too, but with Hellary (lol) I don't think he has a remote chance of getting his message out. Paul, on the other hand, has a very large grassroots following, that just might make a difference. This will be my first time EVER voting against a Democrat. I'm kind of surprised at myself, but the Dems have sold the middle class working stiff down the river. I feel pretty much cheated by them and don't feel like the Republicans can get any worse, only (hopefully) better.

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#26 Dec 15, 2007
Native Amer German Irish wrote:
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Well, I like Kusinich too, but with Hellary (lol) I don't think he has a remote chance of getting his message out. Paul, on the other hand, has a very large grassroots following, that just might make a difference. This will be my first time EVER voting against a Democrat. I'm kind of surprised at myself, but the Dems have sold the middle class working stiff down the river. I feel pretty much cheated by them and don't feel like the Republicans can get any worse, only (hopefully) better.
Sorry you feel that way. The Republicans scare the pants off of me.
Native Amer German Irish

Dayton, OH

#27 Dec 15, 2007
ucantbsrius wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry you feel that way. The Republicans scare the pants off of me.
Me too. But I'm more ANGRY than afraid. I am so furious that the Democrats have said F-YOU to the working class base to suck up to the illegals.

I've believed in them all of my life and now I come to realize that they put just as much worth on an illegal as they do on our citizens. Allowing those who have no loyalty and contribute very little to the U.S. to take advantage of citizens who have an investment in our country.

The illegal alien issue has changed my liberal Democratic views forever.

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#28 Dec 15, 2007
Native Amer German Irish wrote:
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Me too. But I'm more ANGRY than afraid. I am so furious that the Democrats have said F-YOU to the working class base to suck up to the illegals.
I've believed in them all of my life and now I come to realize that they put just as much worth on an illegal as they do on our citizens. Allowing those who have no loyalty and contribute very little to the U.S. to take advantage of citizens who have an investment in our country.
The illegal alien issue has changed my liberal Democratic views forever.
I heard that is what the Republicans were going to use to get a new one issue voter. You might want to consider what they accomplished for the other one issue voters they gathered into their fold. Abortion and Morality.
I too am very upset about the immigration issue. I can here legally and as a result had less rights than illegals for awhile.
Native Amer German Irish

Dayton, OH

#29 Dec 15, 2007
ucantbsrius wrote:
<quoted text>I heard that is what the Republicans were going to use to get a new one issue voter. You might want to consider what they accomplished for the other one issue voters they gathered into their fold. Abortion and Morality.
I too am very upset about the immigration issue. I can here legally and as a result had less rights than illegals for awhile.
Unfortunately, the "one" issue (illegals) directly impacts too many others in the process (health, welfare, education, hospitals, courts, etc.) Actually, I was APPALLED when Bill Clinton signed NAFTA years ago but that serious sell-off of our country and it's impact has only been coming home to roost for the past few years with horrible consequences. Combine NAFTA with the fact that Democrats would have the audacity to offer AMNESTY to millions (after it failed MISERABLY when Reagan passed it in '86) was the final nail in the Dems coffin for me.

The Republicans are no better when it comes to illegals. Ron Paul really doesn't seem like one to me, more of an independent in his views.

Have you ever lived in a state that is flooded with illegals? It brings a whole new perspective to the issue when you're confronted with them on a day to day basis.
Native Amer German Irish

Dayton, OH

#30 Dec 15, 2007
I forgot to add to your last response:

As far as abortion & morality goes......I don't believe that Roe v. Wade has a chance of being overturned so I can overlook the pro-life faction and the "morality" of one party over the other is a moot point to me, considering that they are ALL immoral in my eyes, lol.

As long as we have separation of church & state (even though the line gets blurred) I don't feel too much of a threat from the "Christian Coalition".

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#31 Dec 15, 2007
Native Amer German Irish wrote:
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Unfortunately, the "one" issue (illegals) directly impacts too many others in the process (health, welfare, education, hospitals, courts, etc.) Actually, I was APPALLED when Bill Clinton signed NAFTA years ago but that serious sell-off of our country and it's impact has only been coming home to roost for the past few years with horrible consequences. Combine NAFTA with the fact that Democrats would have the audacity to offer AMNESTY to millions (after it failed MISERABLY when Reagan passed it in '86) was the final nail in the Dems coffin for me.
The Republicans are no better when it comes to illegals. Ron Paul really doesn't seem like one to me, more of an independent in his views.
Have you ever lived in a state that is flooded with illegals? It brings a whole new perspective to the issue when you're confronted with them on a day to day basis.
I hope we can still keep this discussion on the up side. I do know of the immigration debate as it effects some states. I lived in Wa state for 4 years they have a big immigration problem from the seasonal crops,. I lived in Florida for two years and saw how cheap labour effects a population . I was disgusted with Clinton signing the NAFTA agreement too. But he didn't start it. It was Reagan with the us-canada free trade agreement. I remember reading about it in the paper, how that was the test for a NAFTA agreement. I remember because is was in my late teens(30 years ago), looking at the next stage of my life. I watched our economy in B.C. crumble, all the manufacturing jobs left.I see the same deer in the headlights look to people here. They don't know what to do. If any one person can bring a solid economic base to any area now in the states they would call them a pioneer.
I watch the political process here(C-Span). The difference in the demeanor of the Democrats compared to the Republicans is day and night.
To watch the smug Republicans go about their business like it was a game makes me ill.
The Democrats have a bit of a self righteous way about them, but I believe they take their job as representatives a little more seriously, and the job of oversight very seriously. I wish they would move on with what people want.
But, people don't contact their representatives. I have, a number of times, and I'm surprised at the resources they expend to address a constituents inquiry.They must pay attention.
When I first posted this blog, I had just started my dialogue with Hobsons office. Other than the party line votes, I find him to be a very reasonable representative, dedicated to his constituents.
Oversight it what the populace needs to do. If these representatives offices are plagued with constituents opinions they really have no choice but to pay attention.
Even a Democrat would have to pay attention.

Sorry a little long in the tooth
Native Amer German Irish

Dayton, OH

#32 Dec 15, 2007
ucantbsrius wrote:
<quoted text>I hope we can still keep this discussion on the up side. I do know of the immigration debate as it effects some states. I lived in Wa state for 4 years they have a big immigration problem from the seasonal crops,. I lived in Florida for two years and saw how cheap labour effects a population . I was disgusted with Clinton signing the NAFTA agreement too. But he didn't start it. It was Reagan with the us-canada free trade agreement. I remember reading about it in the paper, how that was the test for a NAFTA agreement. I remember because is was in my late teens(30 years ago), looking at the next stage of my life. I watched our economy in B.C. crumble, all the manufacturing jobs left.I see the same deer in the headlights look to people here. They don't know what to do. If any one person can bring a solid economic base to any area now in the states they would call them a pioneer.
I watch the political process here(C-Span). The difference in the demeanor of the Democrats compared to the Republicans is day and night.
To watch the smug Republicans go about their business like it was a game makes me ill.
The Democrats have a bit of a self righteous way about them, but I believe they take their job as representatives a little more seriously, and the job of oversight very seriously. I wish they would move on with what people want.
But, people don't contact their representatives. I have, a number of times, and I'm surprised at the resources they expend to address a constituents inquiry.They must pay attention.
When I first posted this blog, I had just started my dialogue with Hobsons office. Other than the party line votes, I find him to be a very reasonable representative, dedicated to his constituents.
Oversight it what the populace needs to do. If these representatives offices are plagued with constituents opinions they really have no choice but to pay attention.
Even a Democrat would have to pay attention.
Sorry a little long in the tooth
I agree with you on all points, however the way I understand it, Bush the 1st was giving the big push to NAFTA before Billy signed it. Maybe I'm misinformed.

If not for citizens contacting their reps on illegals, we would now have amnesty for 20-40 million illegals (I don't believe it's anywhere NEAR as low as 12 million), the Dream Act would have passed, and illegals would be driving legally with New York State DL's. Unfortunately, this should have been done 20 years ago (citizens making their voices heard).

The Dems are not the party that my father so proudly supported, they have truly tossed the working man to the curb, just like the Republicans ALWAYS did.

I have also found that the reps are very helpful when contacted for information.

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#33 Dec 15, 2007
Native Amer German Irish wrote:
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I agree with you on all points, however the way I understand it, Bush the 1st was giving the big push to NAFTA before Billy signed it. Maybe I'm misinformed.
If not for citizens contacting their reps on illegals, we would now have amnesty for 20-40 million illegals (I don't believe it's anywhere NEAR as low as 12 million), the Dream Act would have passed, and illegals would be driving legally with New York State DL's. Unfortunately, this should have been done 20 years ago (citizens making their voices heard).
The Dems are not the party that my father so proudly supported, they have truly tossed the working man to the curb, just like the Republicans ALWAYS did.
I have also found that the reps are very helpful when contacted for information.
Were you aware of the free trade agreement between Canada and the US? Many people don't like Wikipeadia, but this explanation of the 1987-88 agreement shows it was signed during Reagans Administration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada-U.S._Free...

Is it your telling me that G Bush was pushing this from the background? He was the real signer? If so that's interesting, makes sense. It goes with his one world views. Then it was Bush Sr. and Clinton that did these countries no favors.

It is my opinion that Canadas recent return to a stronger dollar and economy is fueled almost exclusively on it's natural resources. They do have their own little economies like "the Northern Hollywood." But those are regional. BC has forests and mining, Alberta oil and mining, Manitoba and Saskatchewan oil and farming,Northwest territories mining The rest I'm not familiar with.

And as always there will be no economy unless the population isn't signed on and spending money.
I hope the US can return to reasonable discourse in Politics, and Canada and the United States could return to our shared robust economies and shared freedoms.

The terrorism issue is such a difficult one to overcome. What a mess. How will that one be solved? I've my opinions.
Native Amer German Irish

Dayton, OH

#34 Dec 15, 2007
ucantbsrius wrote:
<quoted text>Were you aware of the free trade agreement between Canada and the US? Many people don't like Wikipeadia, but this explanation of the 1987-88 agreement shows it was signed during Reagans Administration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada-U.S._Free...
Is it your telling me that G Bush was pushing this from the background? He was the real signer? If so that's interesting, makes sense. It goes with his one world views. Then it was Bush Sr. and Clinton that did these countries no favors.
It is my opinion that Canadas recent return to a stronger dollar and economy is fueled almost exclusively on it's natural resources. They do have their own little economies like "the Northern Hollywood." But those are regional. BC has forests and mining, Alberta oil and mining, Manitoba and Saskatchewan oil and farming,Northwest territories mining The rest I'm not familiar with.
And as always there will be no economy unless the population isn't signed on and spending money.
I hope the US can return to reasonable discourse in Politics, and Canada and the United States could return to our shared robust economies and shared freedoms.
The terrorism issue is such a difficult one to overcome. What a mess. How will that one be solved? I've my opinions.
That's my understanding of it. Do you know that Jeb Bush (ex-governor of FL) is married to a Mexican (an elite - not a peon) and that Boy George is thick as thieves with Mexican government officials?

There is a lot more to NAFTA's underbelly than just "free-trade" and "helping Mexico's economy" there are pay-offs that come directly from the American taxpayer that "trickle down" to the policia in towns large and small.

Terrorists? Unfortunately, I think a National ID card is in the future for EVERYONE in our country. This includes fingerprinting & DNA databases - sounds conspiratorial, but this is what many say is the "mark of the beast" (666) predicted in Revelations. Interesting theory.

Terrorists and illegals alike have forced us to consider it.

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#35 Dec 15, 2007
Native Amer German Irish wrote:
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That's my understanding of it. Do you know that Jeb Bush (ex-governor of FL) is married to a Mexican (an elite - not a peon) and that Boy George is thick as thieves with Mexican government officials?
There is a lot more to NAFTA's underbelly than just "free-trade" and "helping Mexico's economy" there are pay-offs that come directly from the American taxpayer that "trickle down" to the policia in towns large and small.
Terrorists? Unfortunately, I think a National ID card is in the future for EVERYONE in our country. This includes fingerprinting & DNA databases - sounds conspiratorial, but this is what many say is the "mark of the beast" (666) predicted in Revelations. Interesting theory.
Terrorists and illegals alike have forced us to consider it.
None of the Bushes are a thick as thieves in any world elite surprises me.The Bushes have been above it all for long time I understand.
I'm familiar with the "they know who you are" paranoia. You should see the size of the magnetic strip on the back of my "Green card". Fingerprints on file. I'm not really worried about the id card that much. It's how they use the info they have that worries me. When Icrossed the border I signed a large contract that I was not able to see. The Immigration officer put a blank piece of paper with a couple of areas "cut out" where I was to sign. I went to move the cover sheet to read the document, he stopped me and said,"You can't read it, sign it or go back to Canada." My wife and two kids were in the USA, I signed and crossed.Oh well, what can you do. I have no idea what signed. Maybe it was permission to torture me.
Native Amer German Irish

Dayton, OH

#36 Dec 16, 2007
ucantbsrius wrote:
<quoted text>None of the Bushes are a thick as thieves in any world elite surprises me.The Bushes have been above it all for long time I understand.
I'm familiar with the "they know who you are" paranoia. You should see the size of the magnetic strip on the back of my "Green card". Fingerprints on file. I'm not really worried about the id card that much. It's how they use the info they have that worries me. When Icrossed the border I signed a large contract that I was not able to see. The Immigration officer put a blank piece of paper with a couple of areas "cut out" where I was to sign. I went to move the cover sheet to read the document, he stopped me and said,"You can't read it, sign it or go back to Canada." My wife and two kids were in the USA, I signed and crossed.Oh well, what can you do. I have no idea what signed. Maybe it was permission to torture me.
Wow. THAT'S scary.

Was that since 911 or before?

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#37 Dec 16, 2007
Native Amer German Irish wrote:
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Wow. THAT'S scary.
Was that since 911 or before?
way back in 1990
Native Amer German Irish

Dayton, OH

#38 Dec 16, 2007
ucantbsrius wrote:
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way back in 1990
Hmmm....makes you wonder how Mohammed Atta slipped off their radar.

I had a face to face encounter with him about 3 months BEFORE he flew United Flight 11 into the World Trade Center. If he had a vest bomb when stood next to him (in a grocery store) I (and my child) would not be here today.
Native Amer German Irish

Dayton, OH

#39 Dec 16, 2007
That should read: when I stood next to him.....

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#40 Dec 16, 2007
Native Amer German Irish wrote:
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Hmmm....makes you wonder how Mohammed Atta slipped off their radar.
I had a face to face encounter with him about 3 months BEFORE he flew United Flight 11 into the World Trade Center. If he had a vest bomb when stood next to him (in a grocery store) I (and my child) would not be here today.
It makes you wonder what is coming next when they had unfettered access to the freedom of America.
Must give you chills to remember that now.

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