Time for a Military Approach to the Border

The Obama administration claims that the U.S.-Mexican border is more secure today than it has ever been in the last twenty years. Full Story
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Kansas City, MO

#1 Apr 7, 2012
Get 'er done!

Since: Jul 11

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#2 Apr 7, 2012
It should have been since 1986 when ted promised the border would hence forth be secured and they would not bring forth another shamnesty.
Exactly

Kansas City, MO

#3 Apr 7, 2012
They've been lying for 26 years and expect us to fall for more of the same? No way!
Fed Up Vet

Herndon, VA

#4 Apr 7, 2012
The last sentence says it all.

"But most important is the need to stop politicizing this issue and look at the problem from a military point of view."

Let's turn the border over to the military and let them figure out how to do it. They have done it since the fifties in Korea. They can do it on our own borders.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#5 Apr 7, 2012
Mexico is our enemy not iraq or afg. Bring the troops home and put them on the border.

“Conservatism is a Disease.”

Since: Nov 11

Lake Los Angeles, CA

#6 Apr 7, 2012
Republicans won't even fund such a program.

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#7 Apr 8, 2012
Not going to happen for a couple of reasons.

1. The military isn't trained to do this kind of work.

2. The last time they tried it, in 1997, a Marine shot and killed an AMERICAN teenager. That ended that experiment in a hurry (go back to number 1).
Easter Bunny

Los Angeles, CA

#8 Apr 8, 2012
posse comitatus says no way!
HATE

Austin, MN

#9 Apr 8, 2012
Close 3/4 of military bases in other nations and end all wars...BRING TROOPS HOME TO DEFEND WE THE PEOPLE FOR A CHANGE...

“RelaxEverythingW illBeAllright”

Since: Mar 11

United States

#10 Apr 8, 2012
Fed Up Vet wrote:
The last sentence says it all.
"But most important is the need to stop politicizing this issue and look at the problem from a military point of view."
Let's turn the border over to the military and let them figure out how to do it. They have done it since the fifties in Korea. They can do it on our own borders.
There is a difference between the DMZ in Korea and the US/Mexico border. Other than sheer size, North Koreans are aiming guns at south Korea and South Korea is aiming guns back at the North. North Koreans who attempt to cross the DMZ will be shot by North Koreans and South Koreans don't want to go north.

Now try getting the Mexican government to line up their military along the border to stop their citizens from crossing the line. And in order to staff the US military to secure a three thousand mile border, we would have to recruit and train half a million new troops to man the border and use imminent domain to steal land from US citizens along the border so that we can base those troops without violating the third amendment of the Constitution. Could you imagine the outrage from the right if Obama did something stupid like that?

“It matters but not very much”

Since: Oct 07

Houston, TX

#12 Apr 8, 2012
If civilians could just wrest control of HAARP from the military, we could easily control our borders. It can cause massive earthquakes along existing faults. Mexico sure wouldn't want that threat.

Here are a few other things HAARP has been patented to do:

Power Beaming System
Inventors: Koert; Peter, Washington, DC
Cha; James T., Fairfax, VA
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC
Issued: Nov. 26, 1991
Filed: Sep. 1, 1988

U.S. Patent 5218374:
Power Beaming System With Printer Circuit Radiating Elements
Having Resonating Cavities
Inventors: Koert; Peter, Washington, DC
Cha; James T., Fairfax, VA
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC
Issued: June 8, 1993
Filed: Oct. 10, 1989

U.S. Patent 4873928:
Nuclear-Sized Explosions Without Radiation
Inventors: Lowther; Frank E., Plano, TX
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Los Angeles, CA
Issued: Oct. 17, 1989
Filed: June 15, 1987

U.S. Patent 4686605:
Method And Apparatus For Altering A Region In The Earth's Atmosphere,
Ionosphere, And/Or Magnetosphere
Inventors: Eastlund; Bernard J., Spring, TX
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Los Angeles, CA
Issued: Aug. 11, 1987
Filed: Jan. 10, 1985

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#13 Apr 8, 2012
How far up the California coast and around the Gulf coast do you idiots expect the razor wire to extend? is that reallyy wha tyou want the shores of your country to look like when you can solve the problem easily and not treat the symptom like this plan does?

Do you really think the gulf beach communities will buy into your paranoid, ill thought out plans and ruin their livelihood from tourism? Real US citizens would look at the problem logically and solve it at its core, not by going after one of the tangental symptoms. Stop the hiring of illegals that US citizens themselves do and the illegals will dtop coming here. they will go to other countries where they can get cheap jobs...

this is not a very complicated solution to the problem...

“It matters but not very much”

Since: Oct 07

Houston, TX

#14 Apr 8, 2012
REWBA wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a difference between the DMZ in Korea and the US/Mexico border. Other than sheer size, North Koreans are aiming guns at south Korea and South Korea is aiming guns back at the North. North Koreans who attempt to cross the DMZ will be shot by North Koreans and South Koreans don't want to go north.
Now try getting the Mexican government to line up their military along the border to stop their citizens from crossing the line. And in order to staff the US military to secure a three thousand mile border, we would have to recruit and train half a million new troops to man the border and use imminent domain to steal land from US citizens along the border so that we can base those troops without violating the third amendment of the Constitution. Could you imagine the outrage from the right if Obama did something stupid like that?
Why wouldn't he and why would he care what the 'right' thinks? He's already says that he can kill any American citizen without any charge and on his own discretion. He says he can jail you indefinitely on his own discretion.

So, he feels he can do anything he wants. He was ready to train up millions of US youth in the Obama Youth Corps, but citizens shrieked that it was too much like Hitler Youth. Why not train up a few hundred thousand border patrolmen?

Because he doesn't want to close our borders. Period. He wants them wide open and is attacking any state that tries to defend itself from the illegal alien invasion. That forces states to fight on two fronts - the foreign enemy and the domestic enemy.

All of those things Obama did are really stupid and the 'right' is already enraged - justifiably so.

Bush made it possible for a president to use the US military on US soil if he thinks terrorism is involved. Read the Patriot Act. Furthermore:

"Yes, there are laws against military policing on US streets — they are part of both the 1807 Insurrection Act and 1879&#8242;s Posse Comitatus Act — but the Defense Authorization Act of 2007 gutted them.

Congress restored some limitations on the President’s ability to deploy troops to engage in military policing in 2008 — but President Bush issued a signing statement declaring he did not feel bound by those limitations. He also can direct these troops — and the National Guard, and Blackwater — to engage in military policing of civilian populations simply by verbally and unilaterally declaring a national emergency of whatever kind he wishes." --Naomi Wolf, BUZZFLASH, Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008

So, Obama can do what he wants to do with US troops. Who is going to stop him?

Let's not forget Article IV, section 4 of the US Constitution, wherein the Executive is bound by oath to protect every state from invasion. Obama and Bush sure blew their oaths on that one. Failure in a big way, in the face of foreign invasion and economic terrorism. Talk about your national emergency. Guess Obama likes it that way, eh? No, he wouldn't ever do something as 'stupid' as protect the USA and our national sovereignty.

“It matters but not very much”

Since: Oct 07

Houston, TX

#15 Apr 8, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
How far up the California coast and around the Gulf coast do you idiots expect the razor wire to extend? is that reallyy wha tyou want the shores of your country to look like when you can solve the problem easily and not treat the symptom like this plan does?
Do you really think the gulf beach communities will buy into your paranoid, ill thought out plans and ruin their livelihood from tourism? Real US citizens would look at the problem logically and solve it at its core, not by going after one of the tangental symptoms. Stop the hiring of illegals that US citizens themselves do and the illegals will dtop coming here. they will go to other countries where they can get cheap jobs...
this is not a very complicated solution to the problem...
The problem goes much deeper than that. Factions in our federal government want to remove our southern border completely, thus nullifying our US Constitution, and our rights along with it. This is why Mexico is heavily fortifying its southern border, which we are probably paying for.

http://i.cfr.org/content/publications/attachm...

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/building_...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#16 Apr 8, 2012
Independent patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem goes much deeper than that. Factions in our federal government want to remove our southern border completely, thus nullifying our US Constitution, and our rights along with it. This is why Mexico is heavily fortifying its southern border, which we are probably paying for.
http://i.cfr.org/content/publications/attachm...
http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/building_...
If you put the shiny side out on your tin foil hat it works better.

“It matters but not very much”

Since: Oct 07

Houston, TX

#17 Apr 8, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>If you put the shiny side out on your tin foil hat it works better.
If you bother to read and understand the CFR's report, you'll see that it is fact in progress right now, not theory. But you probably shouldn't read it, don't get informed. You might be frightened by reality. Wuss.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#18 Apr 8, 2012
Obama is a radical who is really out of touch with the reality and does not know what is all that about most everything.

Do people think the election is all or in part about the economy?
How do you come up with that? What you are saying is that the job situations are good, then there is nothing else that matters at all. The election is in part about economic matters , not as exactly by using the label --the economy

The following are fundamental matters that are main issues in the election.

Obama had let the VP visitor (from whoever initiation is not known) from Communist China into the Pentagon---that means it is all over for Obama regardless the conditions of the economy. It means that there are many other matters, not just about foreign policy (it is another problem concerning what was heard about what he told the Russian president in South Korea), other matters such as women’s issues, health care, freedom rights, privacy , immigration , borders---all are in problematic messes . Does that mean that people will have to forget the messes by looking at just the economy?

But Obama ran the economy in the wrong direction because he increased too huge debts.
Unlike Bush, the economy should have been focused on not escalating debts, not keeping on borrowing and printing money, and cutting trade debts to China instead (too large and stunning), created by Bush, which is shocking.

WHEN SOME PARTS OF ELECTION ARE ABOUT the economy, they are the economic issues and matters which are stated as above, not based on employment picture and stock market for reviewing and assessing purpose..

It is not all that just about economy issues, for national security, the safety of freedom, and US stage around the world, immigration policy and many other matters are vitally important.

Since the world is moving up with people gaining technology,, USA needs to face the competition, and come up with a set of crucial policy---such as Communists ( like from China) cannot come to USA for schooling---and there needs not ask why---simply Communists are Communists and that is the basic rule-of-thumb doctrine of stand.
If people want students, the whole world has more than enough people you need as proper students, but not Communists. That is all to it---because USA is a FREEDOM country as FREEDOM CULTURE PEOPLE, whereas must stand to deter and reject Communists, to stand for freedom cultures positions all the way---would have to do that from now on, as not according to the ways of Obama and Bush at all.

How does Obama come up with this scheme that his Obamacare is Mass. Care?
Does he mean he can admire and praise Romney handling the health care business that he has to use it? Obama, you don’t have to do that from your admiration, Romney is going to run the whole country , including you and the health care, which is not the way as you think.
But pointing to Romney ’s health care issue ( when saying molding into it, and yet criticizing the-it, but it is not really it of Romney way as a fact), does pose serious problems of Obama’s mind.

Obama people have serious problems in their thinking---that means these are non-talented people with no ability around, who cannot distinguish and figure out the basics and natures. Then they will pull down US and general society, making US not being able to compete. US needs bright and talented people to shape up the middle class and bring up the country and with better education. Instead of giving opportunities to Communists ( e.g., China), try to give your people a chance, including better Universities to be reserved for your own people.

US does have to shape up and get in shape to move on without Obama as A-MUST anymore .

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#19 Apr 8, 2012
Independent patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
If you bother to read and understand the CFR's report, you'll see that it is fact in progress right now, not theory. But you probably shouldn't read it, don't get informed. You might be frightened by reality. Wuss.
Just because you misread a report on the internet does not make it true.

Did you read the BIG BOLD PRINT PART where it stated that this in no way was a part of any government's policy?

Which parts of reality are you willing ot accept?
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#20 Apr 8, 2012
The election is not on the economy alone, as other matters, like national security and foreign policy are important issues while Obama runs them as Bush -alike.
Hence people are seeing Obama is equal to another Bush.
Certainly people won’t want another Bush to be around.
Obama handles the economy by borrowing too much, building over-size debts to over threshold degree and over-printing money
This reflects (means) the economic troublesome unwanted mess of serious failures of the economic matters, no matter what the unemployment rate and stock market level would be.
On the economic issues alone, there is no defense of Obama at all whatsoever!
Therefore Obama people cannot tout the untrue facts of untrue economic progress, as they are amounting to very serious , awful, and detrimental economic big failures.

Just based on the economic topic and subject alone, Obama must be out as all true facts do count because he should have to cut trade debts, and not outcome that gigantic spending to run the economy.

In addition, his foreign policy also is equal to ensembles of Bush’s , as he is continuing by making them worse, as almost everything of Bush foreign policy is just dreadful.
There is nothing new for any miracle of Obama to this time that can happen at all ---hence he should be absolutely be thrown out of public office, instead of furthering the worsening by wasting time.

In other words, you don’t do Bush ways of approach to those stands (e. g. relating to China matter--- as Bush went to China 6 times), since Bush had been the big failure of the former time.
Yet Obama becomes and is the biggest radical fool of all time as the biggest self-defeated scoundrel on earth since he still can‘t figure out what is so wrong with him.
drink the hive

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#21 Apr 8, 2012
Independent patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
If you bother to read and understand the CFR's report, you'll see that it is fact in progress right now, not theory. But you probably shouldn't read it, don't get informed. You might be frightened by reality. Wuss.
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