The Bible bill?

The Bible bill?

There are 674 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from May 22, 2009, titled The Bible bill?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

When the clock strikes midnight on Dec. 31, 2009, Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) hopes you’ll be ringing in “the Year of the Bible.”

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zazenmind

Since: Sep 07

tampa

#692 Jun 13, 2009
keltec 9mm wrote:
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We know that Samuel Adams and George Mason were both orthodox Christians and much of the Declaration of Independence was taken from their earlier writings. We know that nature's God was a term used by the Dominicans and Franciscans in the 14th century and Thomas Aquinas used the term in the 12th century.
"The natural law is a participation in the wisdom and goodness of God by the human person, formed in the image of the Creator. The natural law expresses the dignity of the person and forms the basis of human rights and fundamental duties."
Thomas Aquinas
The term,'law of nature', entered the common law of England already at the time of Bracton (d. 1268). The term meant the eternal moral law God the Creator established over His created universe. It was a technical term for "creation law"--the original scheme of things purposed or willed by the Almighty.
Words or laws do not reveal the evidence of the truth, information no matter how pretty it sounds, is not evidence or truth..WAKE UP..

“Have You Found FSM?”

Since: Nov 08

Wilmington

#693 Jun 13, 2009
keltec 9mm wrote:
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Okay.
Thanks for the advice.
I should have been more clear. These are the beliefs of the founding fathers, as of most everyone back then. The of discussing the founding father's views is to determine how the country was founded. To discern this, we should look at the founding documents which provide for us our laws. It doesn't really matter what the founding fathers believed, it matters how they founded the country (and even then, it goes to how our laws and rights are interpreted today).

“Have You Found FSM?”

Since: Nov 08

Wilmington

#694 Jun 13, 2009
keltec 9mm wrote:
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In the first place, we were discussing the founding of the nation. I showed that religion was a state power and for all intent and purpose that religion was Christianity. I pointed out that the establishment clause was extended to include the states via judicial activism and not by amendment or through the legislative body of the government.You seem to believe the end justifies the means. I never once said a state should establish a religion though I believe promotion of the majority religion is not a problem. You may find fault in that. Some people find fault in the words on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier
HERE RESTS IN
HONORED GLORY
AN AMERICAN
SOLDIER
KNOWN BUT TO GOD
Do you?
Yes, I absolutely find fault in that, because it is discriminatory towards the minority. If our nation went around promoting liberalism (let's just say for the sake of argument that it is in the majority), then you'd be outraged. So would I. If our country gave liberal charities preference over conservative charities, then there would be public unrest, and with good reason. It is discriminatory.
keltec 9mm

United States

#697 Jun 13, 2009
giggitygiggity27 wrote:
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Yes, I absolutely find fault in that, because it is discriminatory towards the minority. If our nation went around promoting liberalism (let's just say for the sake of argument that it is in the majority), then you'd be outraged. So would I. If our country gave liberal charities preference over conservative charities, then there would be public unrest, and with good reason. It is discriminatory.
Glad you aren't running the country but then I guess there is a reason atheists are less popular than homosexuals when it comes to getting elected.

"We are a Christian people (Holy Trinity Church v. United States. 143 U.S. 457, 470 , 471 S., 12 S. Ct. 511), according to one another the equal right of religious freedom, and acknowledging with reverence the duty of obedience to the will of God.....
U.S. v. MacIntosh
283 U.S. 605 (1931)

"We are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being. We guarantee the freedom of worship as one chooses... When the state encourages religious instruction or cooperates with religious authorities by adjusting the schedule of public events to sectarian needs, it follows the best of our tradition. For then it respects the religious nature of our people and accommodates the public service to their spiritual needs... We cannot read into the Bill of Rights (such) a philosophy of hostility to religion. "
Zorach v. Clauson
343 U.S. 306 (1952)

"The fact that the Founding Fathers believed devotedly that there was a God and that the unalienable rights of man were rooted in Him is clearly evidenced in their writings, from the Mayflower Compact to the Constitution itself."
School Dist. of Abington Tp.,
374 U.S. at 213,(1963)

"In light of the unambiguous and unbroken history of more than 200 years, there can be no doubt that the practice of opening legislative sessions with prayer has become part of the fabric of our society. To invoke Divine guidance on a public body entrusted with making the laws is not, in these circumstances, an "establishment" of religion or a step toward establishment; it is simply a tolerable acknowledgment of beliefs widely held among the people of this country."
Marsh v chambers
463 U.S. 783 (1983)
keltec 9mm

United States

#698 Jun 13, 2009
giggitygiggity27 wrote:
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I should have been more clear. These are the beliefs of the founding fathers, as of most everyone back then. The of discussing the founding father's views is to determine how the country was founded. To discern this, we should look at the founding documents which provide for us our laws. It doesn't really matter what the founding fathers believed, it matters how they founded the country (and even then, it goes to how our laws and rights are interpreted today).


Right and the Founding Fathers created a nation that would not interfere with the religious powers of the states which happened to be different sects of Christianity. James Madison wanted to extend the free exercise clause to the states but not the establishment clause. Regardless, even his attempt at extended the free exercise clause was defeated in committee.
VET

Florala, AL

#699 Jun 13, 2009
This country was founded on Christan religion to spite king George. The bible was composed by king James to spite his cousin Mary.

Enochs fire

“Undocumented border patrol”

Since: Feb 09

ONE NATION UNDER GOD

#700 Jun 13, 2009
A Watcher wrote:
<quoted text>A "Minor Prophet?" Try the 4th most Important Messenger of God.
PS:Mohammad is 5th.
<quoted text> Just like how Christians call Jews liars?
<quoted text> Which is why the story of Jesus is mostly the same.
Jesus wasnt a Prophet at all.
Thats the point.
But Mohammad was a Pedophile.

zazenmind

Since: Sep 07

tampa

#701 Jun 13, 2009
Christianity has a long history of violating the civil and human rights of all minorities, be they mexicans, black, asian, arab, jew, irish or women..Everyone of these minorities had to fight against the white christian power structure to get the same rights the christians had..Then you have the still on going struggles between protestants and catholics, usually non-violent today in the U.S while in other nations like England and Ireland, very violent..TO LINK CHRISTIANITY WITH CHRIST, JUST DOESNT ADD UP AT ALL..To completely different things..

Since: Oct 08

none

#702 Jun 13, 2009
keltec 9mm wrote:
The term,'law of nature', entered the common law of England already at the time of Bracton (d. 1268). The term meant the eternal moral law God the Creator established over His created universe. It was a technical term for "creation law"--the original scheme of things purposed or willed by the Almighty.
Common law existed long before then.

Since: Oct 08

none

#703 Jun 13, 2009
Enochs fire wrote:
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Jesus wasnt a Prophet at all.
Thats the point.
But Mohammad was a Pedophile.
But he was a very important person to their Religion. He wasn't "Minor" in the slightest.

PS: Lot was a pedophile.

Since: Oct 08

none

#704 Jun 13, 2009
keltec 9mm wrote:
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Right and the Founding Fathers created a nation that would not interfere with the religious powers of the states which happened to be different sects of Christianity.
Proof? And you can't use writings because AT THE TIME almost everyone was Christian.
keltec 9mm wrote:
James Madison wanted to extend the free exercise clause to the states but not the establishment clause. Regardless, even his attempt at extended the free exercise clause was defeated in committee.
Good thing later additions did the job.
keltec 9mm

United States

#705 Jun 13, 2009
A Watcher wrote:
<quoted text>Common law existed long before then.


Common law was a process.
keltec 9mm

United States

#706 Jun 13, 2009
A Watcher wrote:
<quoted text>Proof? And you can't use writings because AT THE TIME almost everyone was Christian.
<quoted text>Good thing later additions did the job.


Can I use woodcarvings?

"The real object of the amendment was, not to countenance, much less to advance Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment, which should give to an hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government."
Joseph Story -Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States
Associate Justice of the Supreme Court 1811-1845
Co-founder of Harvard Law School

Enochs fire

“Undocumented border patrol”

Since: Feb 09

ONE NATION UNDER GOD

#707 Jun 13, 2009
A Watcher wrote:
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But he was a very important person to their Religion. He wasn't "Minor" in the slightest.
PS: Lot was a pedophile.
Not a pedophile but pretty close to it.
Incest is just as bad.
Then again,Lot is not the father of many nations,
Abraham is.

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