Shuler wants "God" allowed on flag ce...

Shuler wants "God" allowed on flag certificates

There are 53 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Oct 11, 2007, titled Shuler wants "God" allowed on flag certificates. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

Rep. Heath Shuler complained to the Speaker of the House Wednesday about the word "God" not being allowed on flag certificates provided by Congress to constituents.

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Ted

Ann Arbor, MI

#1 Oct 11, 2007
This one's easy. If any time an American citizen requests that the American flag be flown in the name of America and Allah or his mother and of Buddha,it will be done, then the present request should be granted; if not, not.
Tim

Maxton, NC

#2 Oct 11, 2007
Ted,

Agreed. And, if we allow ficticious beings like god to be put on a government certificate, we should also allow the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Smokey Bear, etc.
alekas

Taylorsville, NC

#4 Oct 11, 2007
Tim wrote:
Ted,
Agreed. And, if we allow ficticious beings like god to be put on a government certificate, we should also allow the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Smokey Bear, etc.
how can you be so sure there is no higher being? Assuming such implies that something came from nothing, that all that is and has been in the earth's history materialized from thin air. That seems a difficult stand to defend. And scientists from Copernicus to Isaac Newton and on believed in the existence of some higher power than themselves.

“Man, 2 mo' years...Whew!”

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#5 Oct 11, 2007
Was this a press release from Rep. Shuler's office? It's a tad misleading as the article seems to imply that he was responsible for the policy change. In reality, over 100 house Republicans wrote to Speaker Pelosi about this issue after the young man complained to his Representative, Michael Turner (R-OH).

The matter has since been resolved. Case closed.

Since: Aug 07

Inglewood, CA

#6 Oct 11, 2007
The U.S. is NOT a godless nation.
The separation of church and state in America means the state cannot sponsor, mandate, or support any religion. America was founded on Judeo-Christian principals and the laws of the nation and states are based on the Ten Commandments. The government in America is the citizens; itís not a separate entity from the people. The government must remain secular, as all religions are a dogma. See http://tinyurl.com/2znnvl
American

Mount Vernon, MO

#7 Oct 11, 2007
(Ps 33:12) Blessed [is] the nation whose God [is] the LORD; [and] the people [whom] he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
AntiFlag

Cincinnati, OH

#8 Oct 11, 2007
Ted wrote:
This one's easy. If any time an American citizen requests that the American flag be flown in the name of America and Allah or his mother and of Buddha,it will be done, then the present request should be granted; if not, not.
I'd dig one with Superman. Superman can whip Allah and give God a good fight.

“Not as smart as I look.....”

Since: Oct 07

Leicester

#9 Oct 11, 2007
American wrote:
(Ps 33:12) Blessed [is] the nation whose God [is] the LORD; [and] the people [whom] he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
[What] the [****]?
alekas

Taylorsville, NC

#11 Oct 11, 2007
American wrote:
(Ps 33:12) Blessed [is] the nation whose God [is] the LORD; [and] the people [whom] he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
this is the kind of stuff that makes all Christians look silly, this acting as though one faith has the exclusive franchise to religiosity in America.
The Founders were clearly spiritual men; too many mentions of and references to a Creator to think otherwise. But, they were purposely not specific as to who or what that Creator was; they made certain to not grant favor to one religion over the others.

Why do we keep having this discussion? I am not offended by God on certificates, by use of the word Christmas during the applicable time period, or any of the rest. But the notion that the US subscribes to one and only one god is ludicrous. That's what freedom of religion is about - there will be no church of the u-s, there will be no particular faith shoved down anyone's throat, there will be no prohibitions against worshipping as you please or not at all, etc etc........
Seriously, if want to make an argument for Christianity, keep folks like one away from it. American is NOT a Christian nation despite being founded on Judeo-Christian principles, one of which presumably is tolerance for those walk goes in another direction.

“Not as smart as I look.....”

Since: Oct 07

Leicester

#12 Oct 11, 2007
reasonable wrote:
Was this a press release from Rep. Shuler's office? It's a tad misleading as the article seems to imply that he was responsible for the policy change. In reality, over 100 house Republicans wrote to Speaker Pelosi about this issue after the young man complained to his Representative, Michael Turner (R-OH).
The matter has since been resolved. Case closed.
It may have been from Shuler's office. Seems a tad bit sideways. Sort of like him trying to get out of the pocket in the NFL.....

“Man, 2 mo' years...Whew!”

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#13 Oct 11, 2007
The Cat in the Hat wrote:
<quoted text>It may have been from Shuler's office. Seems a tad bit sideways. Sort of like him trying to get out of the pocket in the NFL.....
...which never went very well.
Miyamoto Musashi

United States

#14 Oct 11, 2007
"God" is a generic terminology and shows respect for the beliefs of almost all constituents. Just because the Judeo/Christian God is the only True God has nothing to do with this issue.

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Ted wrote:
This one's easy. If any time an American citizen requests that the American flag be flown in the name of America and Allah or his mother and of Buddha,it will be done, then the present request should be granted; if not, not.
Don Fickles

Dallas, TX

#15 Oct 11, 2007
And being able to use the word "God" (or, presumably, any synonym thereof) on a flag certificate will bring men and women home safely from the Middle East... how?
WE ARE THE BORG

United States

#16 Oct 11, 2007
About time he stood up for something. Pelosi is a joke anyway. Only reason she is Speaker of the House. Is to warm us up to Vote for Hillary Clinton for president. Where is John Hinckley Jr when you need him???

“Dropped on head as child”

Since: Dec 06

Athens, Ga

#17 Oct 11, 2007
Dr Coles wrote:
The U.S. is NOT a godless nation.
The separation of church and state in America means the state cannot sponsor, mandate, or support any religion. America was founded on Judeo-Christian principals and the laws of the nation and states are based on the Ten Commandments. The government in America is the citizens; itís not a separate entity from the people. The government must remain secular, as all religions are a dogma. See http://tinyurl.com/2znnvl
That clause is meant to protect us from religious tyranny.

No one wants to be forced into a religion by the feds.

Thank you, ACLU, for looking after our Bill of Rights!
Old Corps Marine

Meriden, CT

#18 Oct 11, 2007
Why not have the space left blank where you can make a preference or nothing at all and be given THAT certificate after your "selection" is made?
tom

United States

#19 Oct 11, 2007
alekas wrote:
<quoted text>
this is the kind of stuff that makes all Christians look silly, this acting as though one faith has the exclusive franchise to religiosity in America.
The Founders were clearly spiritual men; too many mentions of and references to a Creator to think otherwise. But, they were purposely not specific as to who or what that Creator was; they made certain to not grant favor to one religion over the others.
Why do we keep having this discussion? I am not offended by God on certificates, by use of the word Christmas during the applicable time period, or any of the rest. But the notion that the US subscribes to one and only one god is ludicrous. That's what freedom of religion is about - there will be no church of the u-s, there will be no particular faith shoved down anyone's throat, there will be no prohibitions against worshipping as you please or not at all, etc etc........
Seriously, if want to make an argument for Christianity, keep folks like one away from it. American is NOT a Christian nation despite being founded on Judeo-Christian principles, one of which presumably is tolerance for those walk goes in another direction.
Please tell me how many muslims, hindus, daoist, buddist, communist, or any other religion that any delegate at the convention was a devotee. There was none...except christians.
Amber

Maxton, NC

#20 Oct 11, 2007
Tim wrote:
Ted,
Agreed. And, if we allow ficticious beings like god to be put on a government certificate, we should also allow the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Smokey Bear, etc.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.(Amendment 1)

This is the other part people love to forget especially the Aclu. I really wish Christians and and other religions would start bring these cases to the supreme court. Its time to counter sue everytime they prohibit. No where does it say you have the right (From) religion. And remember congress CAN NOT make laws prohibiting the free exercise.

I really dont know where there get off making laws agaisnt religion.
tom

United States

#21 Oct 11, 2007
Amber wrote:
<quoted text>
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.(Amendment 1)
This is the other part people love to forget especially the Aclu. I really wish Christians and and other religions would start bring these cases to the supreme court. Its time to counter sue everytime they prohibit. No where does it say you have the right (From) religion. And remember congress CAN NOT make laws prohibiting the free exercise.
I really dont know where there get off making laws agaisnt religion.
Its not congress...its the Courts. We have a serious problem with the judiciary. Even though the Constitution prohibits Congress from making such laws...it didn't stop the Judiciary from legislating from the bench.
Observer

Greenville, SC

#22 Oct 12, 2007
where did the other thread about the inflight movies go?

disappeared it seems...

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