US border security: Huge costs with m...

US border security: Huge costs with mixed results

There are 66 comments on the El Paso Times story from Jun 25, 2011, titled US border security: Huge costs with mixed results. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Perched 20 feet above a South Texas cabbage field in a telephone booth-sized capsule, a National Guardsman passes a moonlit Sunday night with a gun strapped to his hip, peering through heat detector lenses into an adjacent orange grove.

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Yeah Right

Washington, DC

#1 Jun 26, 2011
Wow! What a one sided report!
Bob

Washington, DC

#2 Jun 26, 2011
El Paso Times is the most bias reporter. I'm not sure why they dont just move to Mexico and report. Everything in this paper makes one believe that they care nothing for America.
Bob

Washington, DC

#3 Jun 26, 2011
If you really believe this one sided report you are truely uneducated about Border Security. "El Paso Times" has tryed to muniplate the stats here and written this biased article to influence the general public.
observer

El Paso, TX

#4 Jun 26, 2011
The violence will NEVER cease until we finally realize that the "WAR ON DRUGS" is what makes the cartels strong.

The "WAR on DRUGS" does NOT make any significant dent on the availability of drugs in our streets. In fact, since the drug war started drugs found in our streets have become cheaper, more abundant, and more potent.

Drug Prohibition laws are supposed to deter people from manufacturing, possessing, and distributing drugs. But those very same drug laws also create what is called a "black market premium". This is what inflates and exaggerates profits of commodities that are prohibited.

This black market premium existed during alcohol prohibition. Alcohol prohibition saw the emergence of alcohol cartels and violence and corruption ensued immediately after alcohol became illegal.

SOUND Familiar?

As soon as alcohol prohibition was repealed, the alcohol cartels no longer enjoyed the benefits of the "black market premium" and were DE FUNDED. Without money they could no longer corrupt, kill, and influence.

Drug cartels DO NOT sell alcohol because they simply cannot compete with legally controlled and regulated substances.

Alcohol became MORE available to kids and adults during alcohol prohibition because they were being sold by unregulated dealers who sold indiscriminately. Drug prohibition tries to defy economics and we are giving drug dealers the unfair advantage.

We need to OPEN our minds and listen to different DRUG POLICY ALTERNATIVES.

The DRUG WAR was lost 40 years ago when we created the DEA.
Drug abuse is a public health issue, not a law enforcement issue.

END THE DRUG WAR.

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Chip

El Paso, TX

#5 Jun 26, 2011
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The article makes it seem the current administration is
at fault.

Here is the Tea Party person who tells the majority Republicans what to do. Then House Representative
crybaby John Boehner follows through with the action
of leaving Border security hostage to politics.

Then here is a Republican next who postures to make it
sound like the President and demos. don't want security.

Let us see what the new Tea Party boss orders the Republicans what to do;

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But Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., who chairs the House Budget Committee, has defended the cuts saying that agencies like the Department of Homeland Security had significant budget increases last year and that funding levels are not sustainable.

"We cannot continue down this path of having double- and triple-digit spending increases on government agencies," he said earlier this month. "No matter how popular sounding these programs are, they mortgage our children's future and they compromise our economic growth today."

Oh, here is a Rep. in Texas who didn't get the memo from
John Boehner or Mr. Ryan.

Still, Rep. Michael McCaul, a Texas Republican, warns against complacency.

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Tired

El Paso, TX

#6 Jun 26, 2011
No matter what-the border is the border and needs to be defended.If its so secure with its high tech expense,then why are major drug bust showing up everywhere else in the U.S.-Why are illegals caught in the interior.The border and its protection is corrupt!
Silvestor Reyes

El Paso, TX

#7 Jun 26, 2011
We need to take away thoose jobs that protecting the border creates,take down thoose ugly border barriers and use that money to help the immigrants that want to come to the Untied States.For years the border and its crossings have been a great inconviniance to families and to bussinesses with the losses created by the wait time at the bridges.
Send the Guard Home

Granbury, TX

#9 Jun 26, 2011
The solution is deportation and all its ramifications, such as excluding one from applying for a legal visa without a special waiver.

Deportation should be preceded by at least 6 months of detention, and there should be no television, and only two bland meals a day. Without punishment of both alien and his employer, there will neve be any real control.

Enough of this coddling illegal aliens and emphasizing "compassion" already. It is time for a real crackdown and to stop the revolving door.
LMAO

Saint Louis, MO

#11 Jun 26, 2011
Silvestor Reyes wrote:
We need to take away thoose jobs that protecting the border creates,take down thoose ugly border barriers and use that money to help the immigrants that want to come to the Untied States.For years the border and its crossings have been a great inconviniance to families and to bussinesses with the losses created by the wait time at the bridges.
No way! Unfortunately most don't just visit, they stay and we're forced to pay for them!
Jesse B

United States

#12 Jun 26, 2011
We need to issue shoot to kill orders for our Border Patrol Agents. The invaders aren't stupid, just criminal. They will stop coming after a couple hundred of them lay dead. They are bringing it on themselves.
No Vote

Saint Louis, MO

#13 Jun 26, 2011
We need to demand that Janet Napolitano resign, as well as the AG. BP have orders to shoot bean bags while they're taking bullets. As for the cost over 10 years? Nobama and crew spend that much daily and it's not to support our country.
philip

San Elizario, TX

#14 Jun 26, 2011
You can interpret this article as saying we should save money, lighten up on Mexico and quit harassing the illegals (and that's probably what the Times meant). But you'd be missing one point which I think is true. Once these giant bureaucracies are created, they develop a life of their own, cost a fortune, and tend to accomplish less and less. I bet fewer and fewer people are attempting to cross the border due to the recession and lack of jobs, that the "success" touted by spending all this money is misattributed to a large extent. It's rather tragic that conservative, anti-government types often end up spending more than the liberals. Happens all the time, either with wars or in this case, with Homeland Security. We need to think harder, act smarter, be more careful with our money. Homeland security should become a part of our culture, not an expensive bureaucracy. We're screwing up. Our fears will bankrupt us because we lack imagination and are too quick to adopt military-style solutions. We used to be able to afford these mistakes, we no longer can. The war on drugs, the war on Al-Qaeda, and the war on illegal immigration are all ill-conceived, stupid.
Nothing New

United States

#15 Jun 26, 2011
observer wrote:
The violence will NEVER cease until we finally realize that the "WAR ON DRUGS" is what makes the cartels strong.
The "WAR on DRUGS" does NOT make any significant dent on the availability of drugs in our streets. In fact, since the drug war started drugs found in our streets have become cheaper, more abundant, and more potent.
Drug Prohibition laws are supposed to deter people from manufacturing, possessing, and distributing drugs. But those very same drug laws also create what is called a "black market premium". This is what inflates and exaggerates profits of commodities that are prohibited.
This black market premium existed during alcohol prohibition. Alcohol prohibition saw the emergence of alcohol cartels and violence and corruption ensued immediately after alcohol became illegal.
SOUND Familiar?
As soon as alcohol prohibition was repealed, the alcohol cartels no longer enjoyed the benefits of the "black market premium" and were DE FUNDED. Without money they could no longer corrupt, kill, and influence.
Drug cartels DO NOT sell alcohol because they simply cannot compete with legally controlled and regulated substances.
Alcohol became MORE available to kids and adults during alcohol prohibition because they were being sold by unregulated dealers who sold indiscriminately. Drug prohibition tries to defy economics and we are giving drug dealers the unfair advantage.
We need to OPEN our minds and listen to different DRUG POLICY ALTERNATIVES.
The DRUG WAR was lost 40 years ago when we created the DEA.
Drug abuse is a public health issue, not a law enforcement issue.
END THE DRUG WAR.
(1. Violence has never cease EVER and never will, even if drugs are legal or not. Kids are killing each other at school with guns. Apparently you been living underneath a rock)

(2. Since the legalization of alcohol hasn't keep drunks off the road. And its easier to obtain alcohol than it is drugs, ID or no ID. Since the legalization of alcohol, more people have DIED now since alcohol was illegal)

(3. "Don't Drink and Drive" was suppose to keep drunk drivers of the street, it failed. And the same legalization of alcohol has made alcohol companies rich with or without a black market. You should go protest to them. Black markets have existed WAY before prohibition did and still exist today. Corruption and violence is everywhere, even in public schools)

(4. Black markets still exist. Even Hello Kitty has a black market. Violence and corruption is been around for years, in governments, corporations and public schools.)

(5. Familiar? No.)

(6. When alcohol was made legal, black markets still existed. Money is still corrupting every industry know to mankind, look at the government. Alcohol companies compete with each other ALL the time. I guess you don't watch a lot of TV, huh?)

(7. False. Alcohol has NEVER regulated. or control. Alcohol is more available to anyone at anytime with or without ID and guess what? The alcohol companies are richer, LEGALLY. Now you want to add MORE drugs on the streets to ante up the danger? Alcohol is NUMBER one killer of teens)

(8. False. Alcohol is available MORE NOW than ever before without ID's and GIVEN by adults, friends, and strangers at anytime anywhere. Alcohol companies use promotions to ENCOURAGE more people to drink. So much for the "Don't Drink and Drive" slogan - hypocrites)

(9. Opening our minds have failed. The different alcohol policies didn't work. Neither will drugs)

(10. The alcohol legalization was created by ALCOHOL ADDICTS. Moderation failed)

(11. I don't have a drug problem do you? Just like I thought. So its is a law enforcement issue. Alcohol is a drug. People can still obtain it easier than ever before. I guess you haven't been to a AA meeting have you?)

Legalization of alcohol didn't work and neither will drugs. Alcohol is A DRUG. Here are some stats: http://www.alcohol-abuse-info.com/Statistics_... .

so what's your point?
Nothing New

United States

#16 Jun 26, 2011
observer wrote:
The violence will NEVER cease until we finally realize that the "WAR ON DRUGS" is what makes the cartels strong.
The "WAR on DRUGS" does NOT make any significant dent on the availability of drugs in our streets. In fact, since the drug war started drugs found in our streets have become cheaper, more abundant, and more potent.
Drug Prohibition laws are supposed to deter people from manufacturing, possessing, and distributing drugs. But those very same drug laws also create what is called a "black market premium". This is what inflates and exaggerates profits of commodities that are prohibited.
This black market premium existed during alcohol prohibition. Alcohol prohibition saw the emergence of alcohol cartels and violence and corruption ensued immediately after alcohol became illegal.
SOUND Familiar?
As soon as alcohol prohibition was repealed, the alcohol cartels no longer enjoyed the benefits of the "black market premium" and were DE FUNDED. Without money they could no longer corrupt, kill, and influence.
Drug cartels DO NOT sell alcohol because they simply cannot compete with legally controlled and regulated substances.
Alcohol became MORE available to kids and adults during alcohol prohibition because they were being sold by unregulated dealers who sold indiscriminately. Drug prohibition tries to defy economics and we are giving drug dealers the unfair advantage.
We need to OPEN our minds and listen to different DRUG POLICY ALTERNATIVES.
The DRUG WAR was lost 40 years ago when we created the DEA.
Drug abuse is a public health issue, not a law enforcement issue.
END THE DRUG WAR.
(1. Violence has never cease EVER and never will, even if drugs are legal or not. Kids are killing each other at school with guns. Apparently you been living underneath a rock)

(2. Since the legalization of alcohol hasn't keep drunks off the road. And its easier to obtain alcohol than it is drugs, ID or no ID. Since the legalization of alcohol, more people have DIED now since alcohol was illegal)

(3. "Don't Drink and Drive" was suppose to keep drunk drivers of the street, it failed. And the same legalization of alcohol has made alcohol companies rich with or without a black market. You should go protest to them. Black markets have existed WAY before prohibition did and still exist today. Corruption and violence is everywhere, even in public schools)

(4. Black markets still exist. Even Hello Kitty has a black market. Violence and corruption is been around for years, in governments, corporations and public schools.)

(5. Familiar? No.)

(6. When alcohol was made legal, black markets still existed. Money is still corrupting every industry know to mankind, look at the government. Alcohol companies compete with each other ALL the time. I guess you don't watch a lot of TV, huh?)

(7. False. Alcohol has NEVER regulated. or control. Alcohol is more available to anyone at anytime with or without ID and guess what? The alcohol companies are richer, LEGALLY. Now you want to add MORE drugs on the streets to ante up the danger? Alcohol is NUMBER one killer of teens)

(8. False. Alcohol is available MORE NOW than ever before without ID's and GIVEN by adults, friends, and strangers at anytime anywhere and even at this moment. Alcohol companies use promotions to ENCOURAGE more people to drink. So much for the "Don't Drink and Drive" slogan - hypocrites)

(9. Opening our minds has failed. The different alcohol policies didn't work. Neither will drugs)

(10. The alcohol legalization was created by ALCOHOL ADDICTS. Moderation failed. Alcohol is a drug)

(11. Public issue? I don't have a drug problem do you? Just like I thought. Alcohol is a drug. I guess you haven't been to a AA meeting have you?)

Legalization of alcohol didn't work and neither will drugs. Alcohol is A DRUG. Here are some stats: http://www.alcohol-abuse-info.com/Statistics_... .

so what's your point?
liz

United States

#17 Jun 26, 2011
Do we have so many Mexicans that post HERE?
It seems way too many want us to just open the
borders and let them all squat here.
Mexico can't afford them, and WE CAN??????
How do any of suppose we can do this? Telling
us to accept them BUT, no answers as to how we
can do that. Unless your willing to move to
another country and GIVE them YOU Place, maybe
its possible.......TRY THINKING or MOVE? YOUR
choice
liz

United States

#18 Jun 26, 2011
Add ON-------...We as a country must be the
dumbest people, can NOT keep people OUT of
our country. Can we now admit we can not solve
any problem. SCAREY
Amazing

United States

#19 Jun 26, 2011
It is money that will always have to be spent on border endeavors to keep the USA safe. If you want to spot spending money, take away the magnets that attract illegals. (1) If you cannot prove you are a USA citizen when you deliver a baby, then your child will not receive citizenship. (2) When you request taxpayer assistance (food stamps, medical, school, etc., prove you are a USA citizen. (3)Prove you are a USA citizen before you can get a driver's license.
The Wall

El Paso, TX

#20 Jun 26, 2011
Deport all wet-backs!
LDR

Rio Rancho, NM

#21 Jun 26, 2011
There is a easy fix that was used years ago, 1930-40''s. Work permits! Most people coming into this country want to work and make money for their families and return home. Most stay because coming and going is dangerous. Offer jobs to U. S. citizens first and if there is no takers offer the job to non-citizens. They must have legal work permit. ID would have pictures, also DNA and other security built in. Employees would have to provide proof of legal worker and fined if they hire the wrongg people.
ohmygosh

El Paso, TX

#22 Jun 26, 2011
El Paso Times, shame on you.. That's all I have to say.

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