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Oklahoma turns down $54M for health care reforms

There are 39 comments on the KAUZ-TV Wichita Falls story from Apr 15, 2011, titled Oklahoma turns down $54M for health care reforms. In it, KAUZ-TV Wichita Falls reports that:

Oklahoma's Republican governor announced Thursday that her state is rejecting a $54.6 million grant to set up its state-based health care exchange system.

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CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#21 Apr 22, 2011
Justaminute wrote:
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Oh really!
Actually, they pay lots of taxes -- just not lots of federal income taxes.
Data from the Tax Foundation shows that, in 2008, the average income for the bottom half of taxpayers was $15,300.
This year, the first $9,350 of income is exempt from taxes for singles and $18,700 for married couples, just slightly more than in 2008. That means millions of the poor do not make enough to owe income taxes.
But they still pay plenty of other taxes, including federal payroll taxes. Between gas taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes and other taxes, no one lives tax free in America.
When it comes to state and local taxes, the poor bear a heavier burden than the rich in every state except Vermont, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy calculated from official data. In Alabama, for example, the burden on the poor is more than twice that of the top 1 percent. The one-fifth of Alabama families making less than $13,000 pay almost 11 percent of their income in state and local taxes, compared with less than 4 percent for those who make $229,000 or more.
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Your education has been subpar. Reading is your friend.
Actually, your statement is flawed. A typical welfare recipient may pay sales tax on purchases, but remember where that money came from to make the purchase; the taxpayer. So, truthfully, we also pay welfare recipients taxes as well as our own. That's fair, AIN'T it?
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#22 Apr 22, 2011
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Hint..........when you get back more than you pay in..........you're not paying taxes.
Hint..You must have children to qualify for the earned income credit. I guess you don't have any. They are not free. I guess you missed the line that end the end the poor pay more in taxes than the rich, Scrooge Le Jimbo.
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#23 Apr 22, 2011
CBOW wrote:
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Actually, your statement is flawed. A typical welfare recipient may pay sales tax on purchases, but remember where that money came from to make the purchase; the taxpayer. So, truthfully, we also pay welfare recipients taxes as well as our own. That's fair, AIN'T it?
The data was not taken from Welfare recipients. It's low wage employees, like 7-11, Wall Mart.Just because you don't like the answer....That old saw about welfare employees isn't cutting it anymore.. Now they are doing a good job of convincing you that the new "welfare" people are "teachers, police, firefighters, the clerk that processes your utility payment. You know your neighbor or you.
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#24 Apr 22, 2011
Justaminute wrote:
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The data was not taken from Welfare recipients. It's low wage employees, like 7-11, Wall Mart.Just because you don't like the answer....That old saw about welfare employees isn't cutting it anymore.. Now they are doing a good job of convincing you that the new "welfare" people are "teachers, police, firefighters, the clerk that processes your utility payment. You know your neighbor or you.
Not me, I'm self employed. Bottom line, when a government employee is receiving a pension after 15 years work supported solely from taxpayer dollars, I'm paying his/her taxes. How long can that mentality of pay my way continue. How many of us who aren't on the govt. dole support it. Higher taxes and hidden taxes? Enough is Enough. Truly, it's getting harder to figure out who the enemy is. Yes, enemy. When one expects another to finance their lives, they are my enemy. I have a family, and that family comes first. Thanks to our government with their hidden agendas to pit one American against another American, the battle has come to this, neighbor against neighbor.
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#25 Apr 22, 2011
CBOW wrote:
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Not me, I'm self employed. Bottom line, when a government employee is receiving a pension after 15 years work supported solely from taxpayer dollars, I'm paying his/her taxes. How long can that mentality of pay my way continue. How many of us who aren't on the govt. dole support it. Higher taxes and hidden taxes? Enough is Enough. Truly, it's getting harder to figure out who the enemy is. Yes, enemy. When one expects another to finance their lives, they are my enemy. I have a family, and that family comes first. Thanks to our government with their hidden agendas to pit one American against another American, the battle has come to this, neighbor against neighbor.
Police officers and fire fighters can retire at 20 years. Do you really want a 60 year old firefighter?

Federal taxes are at a 50 year low. Wages are stagnant.

Being self employed don't you require customers that have money in their pocket? Yes. Or will cutting the deficit put money in your pocket? No, it won't. Not to meet your present needs. When the economy is recovered and we have more people employed (people paying taxes)then we can address the deficit.

Health insurance costs are eating a bigger and bigger slice of the pie and that is cutting into YOUR piece of the pie. That customer can't do business with you when they have rocketing healthcare and insurance costs or they don't have a job to begin with.

Also low wage workers are not going to bring a lot of money to your door either. Being self employed you can deduct your insurance from your taxes but you have to come up with the cash to begin with.

But the cops,teachers,fireman or government worker is not your enemy. It's sad they have demonized the unions. Have you seen the economic graph that correlates to the decline of unions and the decline of wages? It matches perfectly. It's all a down ward slope. The Masters of the Universe has been very successful at turning us against each other.
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#26 Apr 22, 2011
Justaminute wrote:
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Police officers and fire fighters can retire at 20 years. Do you really want a 60 year old firefighter?
Federal taxes are at a 50 year low. Wages are stagnant.
Being self employed don't you require customers that have money in their pocket? Yes. Or will cutting the deficit put money in your pocket? No, it won't. Not to meet your present needs. When the economy is recovered and we have more people employed (people paying taxes)then we can address the deficit.
Health insurance costs are eating a bigger and bigger slice of the pie and that is cutting into YOUR piece of the pie. That customer can't do business with you when they have rocketing healthcare and insurance costs or they don't have a job to begin with.
Also low wage workers are not going to bring a lot of money to your door either. Being self employed you can deduct your insurance from your taxes but you have to come up with the cash to begin with.
But the cops,teachers,fireman or government worker is not your enemy. It's sad they have demonized the unions. Have you seen the economic graph that correlates to the decline of unions and the decline of wages? It matches perfectly. It's all a down ward slope. The Masters of the Universe has been very successful at turning us against each other.
Actually, the govt employees are the saps at the DMV. Federal taxes shouldn't escalate if income doesn't, right? If the cost of a meal at a restaurant increases 10.00, that doesn't mean the tip goes from 15% to 18%, the tip increases with the cost of the meal. Same concept in taxes.
As far as health insurance goes, that should have been part of Obamacare. Insurance in other fields such as car or home are regulated, why isn't health insurance. Forcing more to get onto it won't guarantee it costing less.
Who printed up the graph you speak of, a pro-union organization. Unions have out lived their original purpose, they are now just a tool used to control the business owners. This is a fact in the machine shop industry.
So tired of stupid

Denver, CO

#27 Apr 22, 2011
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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"Give me liberty or give me death" comes immediately to mind.
Um, without affordable health care and preventative medicine, you will surely get death sooner, rather than later. For you, that could be a good thing.
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#28 Apr 22, 2011
CBOW wrote:
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Actually, the govt employees are the saps at the DMV. Federal taxes shouldn't escalate if income doesn't, right? If the cost of a meal at a restaurant increases 10.00, that doesn't mean the tip goes from 15% to 18%, the tip increases with the cost of the meal. Same concept in taxes.
As far as health insurance goes, that should have been part of Obamacare. Insurance in other fields such as car or home are regulated, why isn't health insurance. Forcing more to get onto it won't guarantee it costing less.
Who printed up the graph you speak of, a pro-union organization. Unions have out lived their original purpose, they are now just a tool used to control the business owners. This is a fact in the machine shop industry.
Income has increased at the top. The more income you have the more deductions (loopholes) you can take advantage of. The average deduction available to most is the standard deduction and if they can itemize it's their home deduction (that mortgage meltdown and the resultant home foreclosure has screwed everything up.)

Instead of freaking about deficits, the public should be screaming about the tax code. When you have large credit card bills do you think quitting your job will solve the problem? That's what states are doing by laying off people who are taxpayers.

Yes,cutting teachers and everyone that is demonized and cutting their salaries and pensions is going in a wrong direction. This is the very reason wages are stagnant. And less money to spend at your business too. You are taking money from yourself.

They talk about Free Market, WE are the market. But instead of paying cash we charge and then THEY profit off that too.

We have billions that have been audited and owed but remained uncollected. Now do you see why they are using the shiny thing of deficits to keep everyone stirred up. And Unions which are a tiny fraction of what they once were. Frankly unions are needed when you have a large employer.

If we had health insurance under control, what that would mean to us being able to compete against other countries who do? We are a excellent workforce and when we (the public) work together we can rock the world. It is crazy we are almost at civil war with each other because of politics! Person to person we thrive and the division of Democrat and Republican we have become enemies. It is so outstandingly stupid. You know the saying "Divided We Fall." We are being used.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#29 Apr 22, 2011
So tired of stupid wrote:
<quoted text> Um, without affordable health care and preventative medicine, you will surely get death sooner, rather than later. For you, that could be a good thing.
OK, stupid. So who will pay for your medicine?

Go play with the Easter Bunny and leave the adult conversation to adults.
The Right Wing

Denver, CO

#30 Apr 22, 2011
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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OK, stupid. So who will pay for your medicine?
Go play with the Easter Bunny and leave the adult conversation to adults.
You've had 13,326 chances at 'adult conversation'. Current avg?.000 (That's a baseball reference, didn't want to confuse you) Keep tryin' chuckles!

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#31 Apr 22, 2011
The Right Wing wrote:
<quoted text> You've had 13,326 chances at 'adult conversation'. Current avg?.000 (That's a baseball reference, didn't want to confuse you) Keep tryin' chuckles!
Clueless people like you see nothing but zero's. So what else is new?
Offer up something of substance and not substance abuse, boy.
The Right Wing

Denver, CO

#32 Apr 23, 2011
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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Clueless people like you see nothing but zero's. So what else is new?
Offer up something of substance and not substance abuse, boy.
13,351-0 You started the 'abuse' by calling a stranger stupid, because it's all you've got when someone else has a different viewpoint than yours. It's what you kind does and will always do, avoid any attempt at real discourse and jump right to the name calling. Feel free to respond with whatever hate you want, I know you need to have the last word. I'm done with you. Better luck next life, sport.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#33 Apr 23, 2011
The Right Wing wrote:
<quoted text>13,351-0 You started the 'abuse' by calling a stranger stupid, because it's all you've got when someone else has a different viewpoint than yours. It's what you kind does and will always do, avoid any attempt at real discourse and jump right to the name calling. Feel free to respond with whatever hate you want, I know you need to have the last word. I'm done with you. Better luck next life, sport.
Thanks for being done with me. Your odor was beginning to overpower my nostrils.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#34 Apr 24, 2011
Justaminute wrote:
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Hint..You must have children to qualify for the earned income credit. I guess you don't have any. They are not free. I guess you missed the line that end the end the poor pay more in taxes than the rich, Scrooge Le Jimbo.
the poor pay more than the rich.....horse hockey.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#35 Apr 24, 2011
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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OK, stupid. So who will pay for your medicine?
Go play with the Easter Bunny and leave the adult conversation to adults.
Some do pay for their own.......strange as that sounds to liberals.
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#36 Apr 26, 2011
How about the article about the measles outbreak in Utah. Apparently, a non-immunized person brought the disease back from Poland. There was an outbreak brought in by a person from Sweden as well in Arizona. Aren't these two countries with socialized health care and they can't manage to immunize against childhood diseases. Excellent!
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#37 Apr 26, 2011
CBOW wrote:
How about the article about the measles outbreak in Utah. Apparently, a non-immunized person brought the disease back from Poland. There was an outbreak brought in by a person from Sweden as well in Arizona. Aren't these two countries with socialized health care and they can't manage to immunize against childhood diseases. Excellent!
I read the report about that. Evidently Poland went through the anti-vac scare just like the US. We even had an outbreak of Whooping Cough here because of it. It had not the do with socialized medicine. Your still free to chose whether to take what's available but it will still require you to be in the program so when you get ill from your poor choices at least you will get care. Having insurance can't save you from killing yourself with stupid anti-vac theories.
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#38 Apr 26, 2011
Justaminute wrote:
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I read the report about that. Evidently Poland went through the anti-vac scare just like the US. We even had an outbreak of Whooping Cough here because of it. It had not the do with socialized medicine. Your still free to chose whether to take what's available but it will still require you to be in the program so when you get ill from your poor choices at least you will get care. Having insurance can't save you from killing yourself with stupid anti-vac theories.
Who brought the whooping cough? Illegals without vaccine programs. I grew up in the time of the bicep scarring from the vaccines. Paid via tax dollars in our public school system. Now we have politicos who want these things paid for by private insurance. It's more of the shell game. My health is key in all my decisions. As you must know, most health issues are caused by poor food, lack of exercise, too much social activity and not paying attention to your own bodies signals. Which category do you fit into?
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#39 Apr 26, 2011
CBOW wrote:
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Who brought the whooping cough? Illegals without vaccine programs. I grew up in the time of the bicep scarring from the vaccines. Paid via tax dollars in our public school system. Now we have politicos who want these things paid for by private insurance. It's more of the shell game. My health is key in all my decisions. As you must know, most health issues are caused by poor food, lack of exercise, too much social activity and not paying attention to your own bodies signals. Which category do you fit into?
Since you asked I fit into the category of pre-existing conditions.

In 2000, I was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. Since my diagnosis I have had 1 relapse and have been pretty much disease free since then. But that didn't matter to my insurance company. My insurance went from $426 a month to $1,250 a month over a space of 10 years. Other wise I am a very healthy 53 year old.

Like you, my husband and I are self-employed and own a restaurant in OKC for the past 21 years. Thanks to "Obamacare" my insurance co notified me 2 months ago that they were lowering my premium to $536 a month. They actually stated that in my letter notifying me and I'm not cheer leading. Paying the premiums were a killer but we could pay it and deduct it from our taxes. There are a lot of people out there with MS that can't.

By the way, illegals are not to blame for people not taking their vaccinations here in the US. So many people here in the US are so susceptible to fear mongering, we seem to be a nation with a large amount of ignorant cowards.

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