Oklahoma House committee passes perso...

Oklahoma House committee passes personhood bill

There are 23 comments on the Durant Daily Democrat story from Apr 4, 2012, titled Oklahoma House committee passes personhood bill. In it, Durant Daily Democrat reports that:

Legislation that would grant "personhood" status to human embryos was approved by an Oklahoma House panel Tuesday in spite of the concerns of opponents that it could have unintended consequences, including prohibiting some forms of contraception and in vitro fertilization.

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Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#1 Apr 4, 2012
Well, if this passes there goes a lot of birth control pills and freedom for women.

It was particularly ironic that the other headline was the increase of child abuse cases in Oklahoma.

Oklahoma, the state that wants to control women while making gun control laws disappear.

Oklahoma were they care more about their guns than women.

When they speak of "Freedom" it sure doesn't include women.

Hopefully, it will be overturned by the courts like the rest of the big ideas of the Oklahoma legislature. What a waste of money!
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#2 Apr 4, 2012
The majority of people in the US feel that abortion for convenience is anathema to human rights and a great sickness. The Roe v Wade decision left room for future recognition of the unique human status of every child from conception. This issue is at the forefront of core character problems embracing irresponsibility and a diminishing of life itself. Uncorrected, the country will continue to self destruct. Irresponsible men have made women into shallow murderers of life; males can perform the four Fs and escape responsibility for their behavior and degradation of women. That is the driving force behind abortion for convenience. Men are false and have dragged women into a dark pit of narcissism and depravity.
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#3 Apr 4, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
The majority of people in the US feel that abortion for convenience is anathema to human rights and a great sickness. The Roe v Wade decision left room for future recognition of the unique human status of every child from conception. This issue is at the forefront of core character problems embracing irresponsibility and a diminishing of life itself. Uncorrected, the country will continue to self destruct. Irresponsible men have made women into shallow murderers of life; males can perform the four Fs and escape responsibility for their behavior and degradation of women. That is the driving force behind abortion for convenience. Men are false and have dragged women into a dark pit of narcissism and depravity.
Well you don't speak of choice for women. When you don't, no one has freedom.

Your viewpoint is not the viewpoint of the majority. You will see that when the Democrats defeat the Republican/Theocratic wing in the Presidential and congressional elections in 2012.

We will never return to the dark days before Roe V Wade. The majority of voters are women. No matter how many crazed right wingers bomb Planned Parenthood or assassinate women health care providers.

The problem you don't address are the abuse that living children are facing here in the so over religious Oklahoma. Don't legislate the egg when you can't care for the ones born.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#4 Apr 4, 2012
Justaminute wrote:
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Well you don't speak of choice for women. When you don't, no one has freedom.
Your viewpoint is not the viewpoint of the majority. You will see that when the Democrats defeat the Republican/Theocratic wing in the Presidential and congressional elections in 2012.
We will never return to the dark days before Roe V Wade. The majority of voters are women. No matter how many crazed right wingers bomb Planned Parenthood or assassinate women health care providers.
The problem you don't address are the abuse that living children are facing here in the so over religious Oklahoma. Don't legislate the egg when you can't care for the ones born.
Democrats are liars, cheats, thieves and killers of unborn innocents. Democrats have encouraged slovenly men to hoodwink women into killing their own progeny. Democrats are at the forefront of keeping people ignorant of their core value systems. Partly, they do this by exaggerating about "crazed right wingers", when indeed it is they, who perform the vast majority of violence in the nation.
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#5 Apr 4, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
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Democrats are liars, cheats, thieves and killers of unborn innocents. Democrats have encouraged slovenly men to hoodwink women into killing their own progeny. Democrats are at the forefront of keeping people ignorant of their core value systems. Partly, they do this by exaggerating about "crazed right wingers", when indeed it is they, who perform the vast majority of violence in the nation.
Not even close. Republican started the last war in Iraq. FOR NO GOOD REASON. It's not Dems professing their love of guns like the right wing nuts. Nor did they stay outside of any Republican presidential candidates appearances toting guns and talking about watering the tree of liberty.

Or calling Obamacare when all it does is offers the ones that can't afford insurance, tax credits to buy insurance, and the crazy wingers calling it death panels.

In some states with a winger gov and congress they are wanting to remove thousands of children from Medicaid. Those are the true death panels.

Or in Michigan the Repub governor removing a whole towns elected officials and putting in an unelected manager. Now that is fascism. That is what the Repubs have planned for the US and especially women.

Oklahoma, specializes in making laws that only apply to women. Why don't you take away our right to vote too?

Oklahoma, the place that care so so much for a fertilized egg, but for the living child, not so much.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#6 Apr 4, 2012
Justaminute wrote:
Well, if this passes there goes a lot of birth control pills and freedom for women.
It was particularly ironic that the other headline was the increase of child abuse cases in Oklahoma.
Oklahoma, the state that wants to control women while making gun control laws disappear.
Oklahoma were they care more about their guns than women.
When they speak of "Freedom" it sure doesn't include women.
Hopefully, it will be overturned by the courts like the rest of the big ideas of the Oklahoma legislature. What a waste of money!
Too bad, stupidity seems to be a pre-existing condition for you for which their is nothing left in your head to abort.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#7 Apr 4, 2012
Justaminute wrote:
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Not even close. Republican started the last war in Iraq. FOR NO GOOD REASON. It's not Dems professing their love of guns like the right wing nuts. Nor did they stay outside of any Republican presidential candidates appearances toting guns and talking about watering the tree of liberty.
Or calling Obamacare when all it does is offers the ones that can't afford insurance, tax credits to buy insurance, and the crazy wingers calling it death panels.
In some states with a winger gov and congress they are wanting to remove thousands of children from Medicaid. Those are the true death panels.
Or in Michigan the Repub governor removing a whole towns elected officials and putting in an unelected manager. Now that is fascism. That is what the Repubs have planned for the US and especially women.
Oklahoma, specializes in making laws that only apply to women. Why don't you take away our right to vote too?
Oklahoma, the place that care so so much for a fertilized egg, but for the living child, not so much.
yawn

Since: Sep 08

Huntsville, AL

#8 Apr 4, 2012
Damn glad I left Okla while they were still sane. These Reich-wing evangelical fundi Christo-nazis are anti=-women and anti-American and anti-freedom.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#9 Apr 4, 2012
Justaminute wrote:
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Not even close. Republican started the last war in Iraq. FOR NO GOOD REASON. It's not Dems professing their love of guns like the right wing nuts. Nor did they stay outside of any Republican presidential candidates appearances toting guns and talking about watering the tree of liberty.
Or calling Obamacare when all it does is offers the ones that can't afford insurance, tax credits to buy insurance, and the crazy wingers calling it death panels.
In some states with a winger gov and congress they are wanting to remove thousands of children from Medicaid. Those are the true death panels.
Or in Michigan the Repub governor removing a whole towns elected officials and putting in an unelected manager. Now that is fascism. That is what the Repubs have planned for the US and especially women.
Oklahoma, specializes in making laws that only apply to women. Why don't you take away our right to vote too?
Oklahoma, the place that care so so much for a fertilized egg, but for the living child, not so much.
Democrats are the dopers and dope pushers. Democrats are the gang members. Democrats are the welfare cheats. Democrats sit on their porches, when not watching TV, instead of painting their houses. Democrats don't pay taxes on money they get from other Democrats under the table. Democrats hate honest people. Democrats kill their babies. Democrats fill the jails and prisons predominantly. Democrats punch holes in their faces and get tattoos to exhibit their anti-social orientations and pride in it. Democrats make up the dregs of society and are liars, cheats and thieves. Democrats vote Democrats into office to look the other way as they continue to be a burden on honest people. It is the ghettos Democrats have maintained for 157 years, the Democrat voters predominately peopling the jails and prisons, the entitlement programs Democrats have used to make people lazy and non-productive, the disrespect for life itself... these and more generate the majority of violence in America and Democrats want to isolate America and encourage yet another millennium of violent savages keeping their women in bags. If you can't keep foreign women in bags, you're encouraging your own to snuff innocent life.
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#10 Apr 4, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Too bad, stupidity seems to be a pre-existing condition for you for which their is nothing left in your head to abort.
Gee, Jimbo, don't have a job do you? And probably not a woman either considering how much time you spend here.

Oklahoma, the state that loves to tell women how to live and the rest of the nation, then lives off of government welfare themselves. They should put their money where their mouth is and quit asking the federal government for handouts.

Since: Sep 08

Huntsville, AL

#11 Apr 4, 2012
Unfortunately this amendment was defeated by the Neanderthals.

Dem state senator adds ‘Every sperm is sacred’ clause to ‘personhood’ bill

A pro-choice Democratic legislator has taken a novel approach to fighting an Oklahoma “personhood” bill. According to the blog Jezebel, State Senator Constance Johnson of Oklahoma City has introduced a measure that calls to mind the famous Monty Python “Every Sperm is Sacred” sketch from the 1983 film “The Meaning of Life.”

The concept of “personhood” defines human life as beginning at the moment of conception and, in the case of Oklahoma’s pending Senate Bill 1433, says that the resulting fetus “at every stage of development (has) all the rights, privileges, and immunities available to other persons, citizens, and residents of this state.” If Senate Bill 1433 were to become law, all forms of abortion and some forms of contraception would be considered murder and therefore illegal.

Sen. Johnson, who represents Oklahoma’s 48th District has introduced an amendment to the bill mandating that the same rights and benefits be granted to spermatozoa, writing,“However, any action in which a man ejaculates or otherwise deposits semen anywhere but in a woman’s vagina shall be interpreted and construed as an action against an unborn child.”

This would outlaw masturbation by men, anal sex, sex with condoms, all forms of fellatio to completion, as well as numerous other acts. She later withdrew the measure, but stated that she had inserted it to highlight the absurdity and sexism inherent in the current bill.

A second legislator, Democrat Jim Wilson attempted to introduce an amendment stating that all men would be responsible for the full support and well-being of any woman carrying their child for the duration of the pregnancy, including housing, food, transportation, and all medical costs. The amendment failed.

A similar bill to Senate Bill 1433 was defeated at the polls in Mississippi in November.

Watch the Monty Python musical number “Every Sperm is Sacred,” embedded via YouTube, below:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/07/dem-sta...
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#12 Apr 4, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
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Democrats are the dopers and dope pushers. Democrats are the gang members. Democrats are the welfare cheats. Democrats sit on their porches, when not watching TV, instead of painting their houses. Democrats don't pay taxes on money they get from other Democrats under the table. Democrats hate honest people. Democrats kill their babies. Democrats fill the jails and prisons predominantly. Democrats punch holes in their faces and get tattoos to exhibit their anti-social orientations and pride in it. Democrats make up the dregs of society and are liars, cheats and thieves. Democrats vote Democrats into office to look the other way as they continue to be a burden on honest people. It is the ghettos Democrats have maintained for 157 years, the Democrat voters predominately peopling the jails and prisons, the entitlement programs Democrats have used to make people lazy and non-productive, the disrespect for life itself... these and more generate the majority of violence in America and Democrats want to isolate America and encourage yet another millennium of violent savages keeping their women in bags. If you can't keep foreign women in bags, you're encouraging your own to snuff innocent life.
Considering Oklahoma lives off the Federal Government now that's funny. For every $1 Oklahoma puts in they get back $1.42. Last in the nation in quality of life, last in education, last in people who have health insurance, but first in people who are in prison, first in the amount of people who are on welfare, first in stupidity, and first in the nation that write laws that are proven to be against the Constitution.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#13 Apr 4, 2012
Justaminute wrote:
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Considering Oklahoma lives off the Federal Government now that's funny. For every $1 Oklahoma puts in they get back $1.42. Last in the nation in quality of life, last in education, last in people who have health insurance, but first in people who are in prison, first in the amount of people who are on welfare, first in stupidity, and first in the nation that write laws that are proven to be against the Constitution.
All those Democrats on welfare, or in prison shows the quality of Democrats and nothing else. Again, Roe v. Wade specifically wrote into its structure the ability for future generations to protect human life, which chaps the hides of Democrats responsible for killing 56 Million human beings (four and half times as many as the German Nazis) for convenience and lasciviousness alone.
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#14 Apr 4, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
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All those Democrats on welfare, or in prison shows the quality of Democrats and nothing else. Again, Roe v. Wade specifically wrote into its structure the ability for future generations to protect human life, which chaps the hides of Democrats responsible for killing 56 Million human beings (four and half times as many as the German Nazis) for convenience and lasciviousness alone.
Considering that 40% of fertilized eggs never get implanted, nature is the greatest killer of them all.

And considering how Oklahomans hate to pay taxes to school their children, hate to pay taxes to take care of them when their parents can't afford them. Or get rid of birth control and then cry over the number of abortions. Or demand abstinence be taught in schools when it has been shown to never ever work.

Plus, what cha goin a do? Have the police investigate every miscarriage for murder? Republicans want to legislate away all freedoms for women and then cry about government in their business. They are GIGANTIC HYPOCRITES.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#15 Apr 4, 2012
Justaminute wrote:
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Considering that 40% of fertilized eggs never get implanted, nature is the greatest killer of them all.
And considering how Oklahomans hate to pay taxes to school their children, hate to pay taxes to take care of them when their parents can't afford them. Or get rid of birth control and then cry over the number of abortions. Or demand abstinence be taught in schools when it has been shown to never ever work.
Plus, what cha goin a do? Have the police investigate every miscarriage for murder? Republicans want to legislate away all freedoms for women and then cry about government in their business. They are GIGANTIC HYPOCRITES.
Being a Blue Dog Democrat myself, any claim of denying freedom for women is empty rhetoric. Unthinking Leftist Democrats have encouraged thievery, abandonment of the clearest moral imperatives, usury dominating and enslaving people's lives and the scare tactic of coat hanger abortions, when most women would simply alter their wanton behaviors instead of partaking in the sickness of Democrat logic. It was government giving out this freedom to lasciviousness and immorality in a funded, encouraged way. Women have always had the freedom to choose their behaviors. If they want to be pigs, defining a human being as a human being won't stop them.
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#16 Apr 4, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
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Being a Blue Dog Democrat myself, any claim of denying freedom for women is empty rhetoric. Unthinking Leftist Democrats have encouraged thievery, abandonment of the clearest moral imperatives, usury dominating and enslaving people's lives and the scare tactic of coat hanger abortions, when most women would simply alter their wanton behaviors instead of partaking in the sickness of Democrat logic. It was government giving out this freedom to lasciviousness and immorality in a funded, encouraged way. Women have always had the freedom to choose their behaviors. If they want to be pigs, defining a human being as a human being won't stop them.
Who do you think women are having sex with? You are just a woman hater. Did your momma do something to you?

Considering that we have a 50% divorce rate, and after divorce 95% of the women after divorce are raising children by themselves, WE are the responsible ones, not men. Then they have to spend quite a bit of their time chasing down the men to pay their child support. Wonder why women want birth control and the back up of abortion if that doesn't work. Ha!

Why don't they make it a law too, if you don't want abortions, that if a man gets a woman pregnant that he has to either marry her, provide for her and the child until the child is 18. Never happen. All the laws are about women never men.
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#17 Apr 4, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
<quoted text>
Being a Blue Dog Democrat myself, any claim of denying freedom for women is empty rhetoric. Unthinking Leftist Democrats have encouraged thievery, abandonment of the clearest moral imperatives, usury dominating and enslaving people's lives and the scare tactic of coat hanger abortions, when most women would simply alter their wanton behaviors instead of partaking in the sickness of Democrat logic. It was government giving out this freedom to lasciviousness and immorality in a funded, encouraged way. Women have always had the freedom to choose their behaviors. If they want to be pigs, defining a human being as a human being won't stop them.
Oh and we wouldn't have to worry if men put on that condom all the time, would we?
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#18 Apr 4, 2012
Justaminute wrote:
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Who do you think women are having sex with? You are just a woman hater. Did your momma do something to you?
Considering that we have a 50% divorce rate, and after divorce 95% of the women after divorce are raising children by themselves, WE are the responsible ones, not men. Then they have to spend quite a bit of their time chasing down the men to pay their child support. Wonder why women want birth control and the back up of abortion if that doesn't work. Ha!
Why don't they make it a law too, if you don't want abortions, that if a man gets a woman pregnant that he has to either marry her, provide for her and the child until the child is 18. Never happen. All the laws are about women never men.
My posts have already established that it is irresponsible, slavish, Democrat men, who have thoroughly degraded women to the point they've killed 56 Million of their own simply because they've been fooled into thinking an itch between their legs is more important than human life. Democrats have encouraged wantonness in men and used women to fulfill their lust, making women whores. Democrat Presidents have encouraged young women to go down on whole football teams in abandonment of any strong character. The laws already establish that a man has to support his child. Women have been fooled into thinking like men of unsavory character.
Justaminute

Edmond, OK

#19 Apr 4, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
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My posts have already established that it is irresponsible, slavish, Democrat men, who have thoroughly degraded women to the point they've killed 56 Million of their own simply because they've been fooled into thinking an itch between their legs is more important than human life. Democrats have encouraged wantonness in men and used women to fulfill their lust, making women whores. Democrat Presidents have encouraged young women to go down on whole football teams in abandonment of any strong character. The laws already establish that a man has to support his child. Women have been fooled into thinking like men of unsavory character.
Your a Blue dog alright sure, vote like a Republican, think like a Republican, so that make you what, a spoiler of democratic legislation that's what! Stick with your brothers. We weren't sorry to see Boren go, that's for sure. A Dem in name only, might as well have the real thing.

That's sex, been around since the beginning of human existence and repressed women and men have been trying to control sex since then. They have failed every time no matter how many fascists laws they write.

You remind me of those temperance woman that went around with hatchets tearing up bars and breaking bottles of alcohol. You want to legislate sex. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#20 Apr 4, 2012
Justaminute wrote:
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Your a Blue dog alright sure, vote like a Republican, think like a Republican, so that make you what, a spoiler of democratic legislation that's what! Stick with your brothers. We weren't sorry to see Boren go, that's for sure. A Dem in name only, might as well have the real thing.
That's sex, been around since the beginning of human existence and repressed women and men have been trying to control sex since then. They have failed every time no matter how many fascists laws they write.
You remind me of those temperance woman that went around with hatchets tearing up bars and breaking bottles of alcohol. You want to legislate sex. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
It's Roe v Wade, which effectively legislated sex, along with all the subsequent funding encouraging irresponsible behaviors. Proponents of defining a human being as a human being are only dealing with truth. You thinking that women have ever been "repressed" in any culture other than the ones you don't want us to influence to keep women out of bags is the joke. People shouldn't have to pay for the weakness of men degrading women by convincing them they can't keep their legs shut. Worse yet... convincing women they can randomly kill unique human beings because in all of human history, suddenly they want temporal sneezes to control their lives. How shallow, weak and cowardly you make women to be.

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