Illegal immigration bills: Oklahoma's shame

Feb 22, 2011 Full story: Tulsa World 166

Read Jones' blog at www.tulsaworld.com/jonesblog The rallying cry in the Oklahoma Legislature this session ought to be: "We will not be out-Arizonaed." OK, I made up a word.

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illegalsgottago

Oklahoma City, OK

#1 Feb 22, 2011
BS...there is wide support for these bills otherwise this State wouldn't have turned red in the majority of State positions. The pressure is on and with an estimated 75K illegals in the State, legal residents are fed up with them. Get over it Mr. Jones and wake up...more from the liberal rag...lol
Captain

Aurora, CO

#2 Feb 22, 2011
Stop talking liberal vs Conservative, when Bush was around they wanted illegals to fill jobs for their billionaire buddies and their corporations. The liberals want illegals for their votes, and of course to clean their mansions.

All politicians seem to not be concerned for the future of this country, only concern is to be elected again and again, while getting richer.
TFALLEN

Talihina, OK

#3 Feb 23, 2011
I don't see why illegals couldn't work toward citizenship. This way we have them paying taxes and perhaps a fine garnished from pay checks for the consequence of coming over illegally. This way they are punished, yet get to stay, work, and pay taxes. Everyone would get some of what they want.

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Candy

West Orange, NJ

#4 Feb 23, 2011
TFALLEN wrote:
I don't see why illegals couldn't work toward citizenship. This way we have them paying taxes and perhaps a fine garnished from pay checks for the consequence of coming over illegally. This way they are punished, yet get to stay, work, and pay taxes. Everyone would get some of what they want.
“...Those that look in the mirror and see a "PATRIOT" will always have the option to face or hug a Traitor.

Loyalty to one’s country goes beyond oneself. And not to the territorial mother country, to the land and materialistic concept that the modern world gives him, but to that of history, the tradition and the legend, that legend that today appears again in us, not to repeat history, but to continue history…

…the way is not easy, but what great objective is easy? For that reason we choose the DIFFICULT WAY, the politically incorrect, against political structure. It is easy to turn your back and be friends to those that are like us. But it is difficult to guide and unite what the modern world has divided. We will never change that objective by the comfortable protection of the homogenous shoal of fish, we are more than oneself; we are Americans first…

America is not vindicated for being one race, one language or a heap of customs. We are vindicated by our history and tradition to Unite different races, languages and customs under one objective…”
TFALLEN

Talihina, OK

#5 Feb 23, 2011
Candy wrote:
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“...Those that look in the mirror and see a "PATRIOT" will always have the option to face or hug a Traitor.
Loyalty to one’s country goes beyond oneself. And not to the territorial mother country, to the land and materialistic concept that the modern world gives him, but to that of history, the tradition and the legend, that legend that today appears again in us, not to repeat history, but to continue history…
…the way is not easy, but what great objective is easy? For that reason we choose the DIFFICULT WAY, the politically incorrect, against political structure. It is easy to turn your back and be friends to those that are like us. But it is difficult to guide and unite what the modern world has divided. We will never change that objective by the comfortable protection of the homogenous shoal of fish, we are more than oneself; we are Americans first…
America is not vindicated for being one race, one language or a heap of customs. We are vindicated by our history and tradition to Unite different races, languages and customs under one objective…”
So you agree. We should unite with our illegal friends. We are all human beings after all.

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Candy

West Orange, NJ

#6 Feb 23, 2011
TFALLEN wrote:
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So you agree. We should unite with our illegal friends. We are all human beings after all.
Support Immigration Reform and demand politians to stop manipulating human lives (immigrants) for political gain!!

Since: Apr 10

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#7 Feb 23, 2011
Captain wrote:
Stop talking liberal vs Conservative, when Bush was around they wanted illegals to fill jobs for their billionaire buddies and their corporations. The liberals want illegals for their votes...
you can't vote unless you're a citizen. Illegals can't vote
illegalsgottago

Oklahoma City, OK

#8 Feb 23, 2011
TFALLEN wrote:
I don't see why illegals couldn't work toward citizenship. This way we have them paying taxes and perhaps a fine garnished from pay checks for the consequence of coming over illegally. This way they are punished, yet get to stay, work, and pay taxes. Everyone would get some of what they want.
Most illegal aliens are low wage workers who WILL NOT be paying taxes anywhere equal to what they will see in their refunds. Close to 45% of Americans get a refund exceeding their actual payroll deductions. With the anchors they spit out like there isn't a tomorrow, the will get refunds..Let them go to the back of the line and wait like the "millions" of others around the world who want to join the American community rather than slither across the border illegally and then get rewarded for their "illegal" act. We gave laws, we have guest worker programs, we give out a million legal visas every year. They choose to ignore the process and willingly do so. The punishment should be immediate deportation when they are found and barred from the country for life!
TFALLEN

Talihina, OK

#9 Feb 24, 2011
illegalsgottago wrote:
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Most illegal aliens are low wage workers who WILL NOT be paying taxes anywhere equal to what they will see in their refunds. Close to 45% of Americans get a refund exceeding their actual payroll deductions. With the anchors they spit out like there isn't a tomorrow, the will get refunds..Let them go to the back of the line and wait like the "millions" of others around the world who want to join the American community rather than slither across the border illegally and then get rewarded for their "illegal" act. We gave laws, we have guest worker programs, we give out a million legal visas every year. They choose to ignore the process and willingly do so. The punishment should be immediate deportation when they are found and barred from the country for life!
If your family were faced with the options of starving to death or breaking the law of another country by sneaking into it to live and provide for your family, would you let your kids starve?

Yes I realize that illegal immigrants are basically stealing, but would I condemn a man to death for stealing food from me to feed his family? Would I rip him away from his family? No, I’d be humane about it and set up a payment plan so he could repay the debt, while still being able to provide for his family.
illegalsgottago

Oklahoma City, OK

#10 Feb 24, 2011
TFALLEN wrote:
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If your family were faced with the options of starving to death or breaking the law of another country by sneaking into it to live and provide for your family, would you let your kids starve?
Yes I realize that illegal immigrants are basically stealing, but would I condemn a man to death for stealing food from me to feed his family? Would I rip him away from his family? No, I’d be humane about it and set up a payment plan so he could repay the debt, while still being able to provide for his family.
"basically stealing"? The are stealing from my family on a daily basis via the taxes I have to pay for their anchors being in school and other social benefits. If things are so bad in their home countries then they need to grow a pair and demand their home countries fix their problems. They do NOT have the right to come to my home and make demands or steal from me just because their home countries can't or won't take care of them. Besides they somehow come up with thousands of dollars to get their illegal butts here now don't they some multiple times.

It is NOT my responsibility to care and feed for them at the point of a gun so to speak (via taxes), that's what "charity" is for. Charity is given willingly NOT by force of taxes from the government. If you can't feed em don't breed em! I raised 4 of my own without help from the taxpayers and so can they!

The current lot of illegals milk the system to their advantage and willingly do so. You care some much for them, take them into your home and ensure that NOT one dime of taxpayers $$$ go to them for their illegal acts (you know illegal jobs, illegal documentation, illegally working for cash, running drugs, milking the welfare system, and all the other stuff criminals do). I and millions of other taxpayers are sick and tired of them stealing out of our pockets and those that aid and abet them.

We have how many guest worker programs? They simply don't want to wait and be accepted and the employers choose to hire them against the law to save $$ and avoid the paperwork.

Make payments...you really are hilarious...if they be so honest and all why is it that they won't even pony up the $$ for medical care at the local ER's that they are running dry!

Thankfully there are more Americans who are against illegal immigration than there are liberal bleeding hearts such as yourself.
TFALLEN

Talihina, OK

#11 Feb 25, 2011
illegalsgottago wrote:
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"basically stealing"? The are stealing from my family on a daily basis via the taxes I have to pay for their anchors being in school and other social benefits. If things are so bad in their home countries then they need to grow a pair and demand their home countries fix their problems. They do NOT have the right to come to my home and make demands or steal from me just because their home countries can't or won't take care of them. Besides they somehow come up with thousands of dollars to get their illegal butts here now don't they some multiple times.
It is NOT my responsibility to care and feed for them at the point of a gun so to speak (via taxes), that's what "charity" is for. Charity is given willingly NOT by force of taxes from the government. If you can't feed em don't breed em! I raised 4 of my own without help from the taxpayers and so can they!
The current lot of illegals milk the system to their advantage and willingly do so. You care some much for them, take them into your home and ensure that NOT one dime of taxpayers $$$ go to them for their illegal acts (you know illegal jobs, illegal documentation, illegally working for cash, running drugs, milking the welfare system, and all the other stuff criminals do). I and millions of other taxpayers are sick and tired of them stealing out of our pockets and those that aid and abet them.
We have how many guest worker programs? They simply don't want to wait and be accepted and the employers choose to hire them against the law to save $$ and avoid the paperwork.
Make payments...you really are hilarious...if they be so honest and all why is it that they won't even pony up the $$ for medical care at the local ER's that they are running dry!
Thankfully there are more Americans who are against illegal immigration than there are liberal bleeding hearts such as yourself.
“"basically stealing"? The are stealing from my family on a daily basis via the taxes I have to pay for their anchors being in school and other social benefits.”
>In the same way, police are stealing your taxes to pay their wages. Other people’s kids are stealing your money for education. Lock up all the old people who never had a job who steal your tax money for their Social Security!
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“They do NOT have the right to come to my home and make demands or steal from me just because their home countries can't or won't take care of them. Besides they somehow come up with thousands of dollars to get their illegal butts here now don't they some multiple times.”
>One could just as easily argue that your ancestors were anchor babies. You and your family need to get out.
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Call me a bleeding heart. Call me a Liberal. I proposed a compromise which is quite Moderate actually. Let the illegals work to become citizens. Let them pay higher taxes to pay a fine for being over here illegally. Let them serve in the military if they want to help reduce that fine. The ones that don’t can be deported. I’d also like to point out that some illegals are in no way taking any benefits.
sniper

Salt Lake City, UT

#12 Feb 25, 2011
TFALLEN wrote:
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“"basically stealing"? The are stealing from my family on a daily basis via the taxes I have to pay for their anchors being in school and other social benefits.”
>In the same way, police are stealing your taxes to pay their wages. Other people’s kids are stealing your money for education. Lock up all the old people who never had a job who steal your tax money for their Social Security!
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“They do NOT have the right to come to my home and make demands or steal from me just because their home countries can't or won't take care of them. Besides they somehow come up with thousands of dollars to get their illegal butts here now don't they some multiple times.”
>One could just as easily argue that your ancestors were anchor babies. You and your family need to get out.
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Call me a bleeding heart. Call me a Liberal. I proposed a compromise which is quite Moderate actually. Let the illegals work to become citizens. Let them pay higher taxes to pay a fine for being over here illegally. Let them serve in the military if they want to help reduce that fine. The ones that don’t can be deported. I’d also like to point out that some illegals are in no way taking any benefits.
I AM NATIVE and I do not wan't them here either we have laws in place to protect the people of the United States not illegal criminals.Do you relize that over one quarter of the U.S.es prisons populations are illegal aliens .
illegalsgottago

Oklahoma City, OK

#13 Feb 25, 2011
TFALLEN wrote:
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>In the same way, police are stealing your taxes to pay their wages. Other people’s kids are stealing your money for education. Lock up all the old people who never had a job who steal your tax money for their Social Security!

>One could just as easily argue that your ancestors were anchor babies. You and your family need to get out.
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Call me a bleeding heart. Call me a Liberal. I proposed a compromise which is quite Moderate actually. Let the illegals work to become citizens. Let them pay higher taxes to pay a fine for being over here illegally. Let them serve in the military if they want to help reduce that fine. The ones that don’t can be deported. I’d also like to point out that some illegals are in no way taking any benefits.
I have no problem with helping the children of legal citizens when it comes to schooling. I will always have a problem with paying for illegal alien anchors.

Sorry you reconquista POS, I ain't going anywhere, illegal aliens are.

There is NO compromise when it comes to illegal aliens. They have violated the trust of the American people by ignoring our laws. As a former military member, I do not agree with letting illegal aliens serve. They shouldn't be in the country to begin with. I haven't met a military member yet that likes em or thinks they should be in our military and in fact detest them.

I want all 75K of the illegals currently squatting in OK to be gone and work on a daily basis to ensure that happens. Again you take them into your home, pony up your money. I want not one dime of my hard earned $$$ going to any of them or their scumbag anchors!!

“Press 2 for Deportation.”

Since: Apr 09

Boise, ID

#14 Feb 25, 2011
TFALLEN wrote:
I don't see why illegals couldn't work toward citizenship. This way we have them paying taxes and perhaps a fine garnished from pay checks for the consequence of coming over illegally. This way they are punished, yet get to stay, work, and pay taxes. Everyone would get some of what they want.
And what would you say to the millions of legal applicants, waiting in their home countries for appoval? "Too bad, so sad?"

And on another vein, I don't trust our Govt to run/manage any program that involves collecting money from perps. They always have a boilerplate "fee waiver" form at hand.

“Press 2 for Deportation.”

Since: Apr 09

Boise, ID

#15 Feb 25, 2011
TFALLEN wrote:
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If your family were faced with the options of starving to death or breaking the law of another country by sneaking into it to live and provide for your family, would you let your kids starve?
Yes I realize that illegal immigrants are basically stealing, but would I condemn a man to death for stealing food from me to feed his family? Would I rip him away from his family? No, I’d be humane about it and set up a payment plan so he could repay the debt, while still being able to provide for his family.
You seem to think there are only 2 options. That is not realistic. There are many other options, BUT COMMITTING A CRIME SHOULD NEVER BE ONE OF THEM. What kind of morals are you teaching your kids? "It's ok to steal and rob if you're starving?" Puhleeze, go line up at a soup kitchen, at least that's legal.

Worse, if you're Catholic, "Thou shalt not steal" is a commandment you're so willing to "temporarily forget." Perhaps I can "temporarily forget" and steal from you?

And puhleeze stop the baby-waving -- "If your family were faced with the options of starving to death or breaking the law of another country by sneaking into it to live and provide for your family, would you let your kids starve?" That's below the belt. Many illegals who come here do not have children back home. Many illegals who also come here have families back home and yet think nothing of creating another family here, compounding their economic status.

Don't proselytize an illegal act. ANY illegal act.

I don't buy your argument.
Anonymous

Roslyn, NY

#16 Feb 25, 2011
2010 census shows so far that there are 19 million Hispanics in 15 states. 54% growth in 10 years.
Lee AZ

Phoenix, AZ

#17 Feb 25, 2011
hey you okies put that on a hat I will buy it to show my suport ( Out Arizonaed ) got kinda a ring to it dontcha thank ''' lol'''

Lee Az
Veteran

“Press 2 for Deportation.”

Since: Apr 09

Boise, ID

#18 Feb 25, 2011
TFALLEN wrote:
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Call me a bleeding heart. Call me a Liberal. I proposed a compromise which is quite Moderate actually. Let the illegals work to become citizens. Let them pay higher taxes to pay a fine for being over here illegally. Let them serve in the military if they want to help reduce that fine. The ones that don’t can be deported. I’d also like to point out that some illegals are in no way taking any benefits.
Ok. "Bleeding Heart."

Wish your heart would bleed more for your fellow citizens and legal-immigrant applicants though, rather than for illegal aliens who come here without regard to our laws and don't see Americans as human beings, just only as cash cows.

“Press 2 for Deportation.”

Since: Apr 09

Boise, ID

#19 Feb 25, 2011
deportillegals wrote:
2010 census shows so far that there are 19 million Hispanics in 15 states. 54% growth in 10 years.
I'm more concerned about where their allegiance lies.
Anonymous

Roslyn, NY

#20 Feb 25, 2011
TFALLEN wrote:
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If your family were faced with the options of starving to death or breaking the law of another country by sneaking into it to live and provide for your family, would you let your kids starve?
Yes I realize that illegal immigrants are basically stealing, but would I condemn a man to death for stealing food from me to feed his family? Would I rip him away from his family? No, I’d be humane about it and set up a payment plan so he could repay the debt, while still being able to provide for his family.
What I would do? I would castrate irresponsible people who don't have the means to support children. You see in invaded neighborhoods by illegals women with 2,3,4,5,6 and more kids, should I feel sorry for them? Why? Why can those people use a condom like responsible people do? Those are abusers, the word spreads amongst them in their countries about how good they have it here. One tells the other the trick, come here, have babies, you don't have to work, and the government supports you. Should I feel sorry for those people? A BIG NO!

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