Enviro groupsstunned that govt ignoring 27K wells

Jul 7, 2010 Full story: WFMJ-TV Youngstown 20

Leading environmental groups and a U.S. senator on Wednesday called on the government to pay closer attention to more than 27,000 abandoned oil and gas wells in the Gulf of Mexico and take action to keep them from leaking even more crude into water already tainted by the massive BP spill.

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Since: Dec 08

Medina, TX

#2 Jul 8, 2010
Are any of these wells leaking? No, they are not. Otherwise we would see the oil. Plus these are old shallow water wells sealed and capped because there wasn't enough oil to justify the expense of pumping it out. All this is, is just more scare tactics by the left wing environmental wackos.

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Canton, OH

#3 Jul 8, 2010
Obama = Incompetent yet Arrogant
Earonrail

Houston, TX

#5 Jul 8, 2010
Salt water + metal + time = rust

Rusty pipes + time = leaks

leaks = problem

Drill, baby, drill!

Oy!

Since: Dec 08

Medina, TX

#6 Jul 8, 2010
Earonrail wrote:
Salt water + metal + time = rust
Rusty pipes + time = leaks
leaks = problem
Drill, baby, drill!
Oy!
Pipes filled with concrete=no leaks

Drill baby Drill

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Canton, OH

#7 Jul 8, 2010
Earonrail wrote:
Salt water + metal + time = rust
Rusty pipes + time = leaks
leaks = problem
Drill, baby, drill!
Oy!
"Offshore Oil Drilling is Safe. You can take dat to the bank"

-Broke Obama April 2, 2010

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Canton, OH

#8 Jul 8, 2010
Can anyone guess what percentage of BP collected barrels is Water in this spill?

90%

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Canton, OH

#9 Jul 8, 2010
Why liberals should love the Second Amendment

by Kaili Joy Gray aka Angry Mouse
Sun Jul 04, 2010

Liberals claim to love the Constitution. Ask anyone on the street.

If you were to ask liberals to list their top five complaints about the Bush Administration, and they would invariably say the words "shredding" and "Constitution" in the same sentence. They might also add "Fourth Amendment" and "due process." It's possible they'll talk about "free speech zones" and "habeus corpus."

All of these would be valid complaints against the Obama admin but let's move on.

When it comes to discussing the Second Amendment, liberals check rational thought at the door.

They dismiss approximately 40% of American households that own one or more guns, and those who fight to protect the Second Amendment, as "gun nuts." They argue for greater restrictions. And they pursue these policies at the risk of alienating voters who might otherwise vote for Democrats.

And they do so in a way that is wholly inconsistent with their approach to all of our other civil liberties.

Those who fight against Second Amendment rights cite statistics about gun violence, as if such numbers are evidence enough that our rights should be restricted. But Chicago and Washington DC, the two cities from which came the most recent Supreme Court decisions on Second Amendment rights, had some of the most restrictive laws in the nation, and also some of the highest rates of violent crime. Clearly, such restrictions do not correlate with preventing crime.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/7/4/88...
Will

Columbus, OH

#10 Jul 8, 2010
sailorman2 wrote:
Are any of these wells leaking? No, they are not. Otherwise we would see the oil. Plus these are old shallow water wells sealed and capped because there wasn't enough oil to justify the expense of pumping it out. All this is, is just more scare tactics by the left wing environmental wackos.
You have proof that every one of these 27K wells is safely filled and capped by the enrivonmentally-friendly oil companies who drilled them?

Or are you taking the oil companies' word for that?

Do you think their word is good, given the latest disaster, other environmental disasters in the gulf, and the profit motive?

Hmmmm?
Will

Columbus, OH

#11 Jul 8, 2010
The laughing liberal wrote:
Why liberals should love the Second Amendment
by Kaili Joy Gray aka Angry Mouse
Sun Jul 04, 2010
Liberals claim to love the Constitution. Ask anyone on the street.
If you were to ask liberals to list their top five complaints about the Bush Administration, and they would invariably say the words "shredding" and "Constitution" in the same sentence. They might also add "Fourth Amendment" and "due process." It's possible they'll talk about "free speech zones" and "habeus corpus."
All of these would be valid complaints against the Obama admin but let's move on.
When it comes to discussing the Second Amendment, liberals check rational thought at the door.
They dismiss approximately 40% of American households that own one or more guns, and those who fight to protect the Second Amendment, as "gun nuts." They argue for greater restrictions. And they pursue these policies at the risk of alienating voters who might otherwise vote for Democrats.
And they do so in a way that is wholly inconsistent with their approach to all of our other civil liberties.
Those who fight against Second Amendment rights cite statistics about gun violence, as if such numbers are evidence enough that our rights should be restricted. But Chicago and Washington DC, the two cities from which came the most recent Supreme Court decisions on Second Amendment rights, had some of the most restrictive laws in the nation, and also some of the highest rates of violent crime. Clearly, such restrictions do not correlate with preventing crime.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/7/4/88...
I agree, but your post is off-topic. Find a gun forum and post it there.

“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

Canton, OH

#12 Jul 8, 2010
Will wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, but your post is off-topic. Find a gun forum and post it there.
Why? Left wing liberals don't run in the gun forums.

Since: Dec 08

Medina, TX

#13 Jul 8, 2010
Will wrote:
<quoted text>
You have proof that every one of these 27K wells is safely filled and capped by the enrivonmentally-friendly oil companies who drilled them?
Or are you taking the oil companies' word for that?
Do you think their word is good, given the latest disaster, other environmental disasters in the gulf, and the profit motive?
Hmmmm?
No I do not have proof. However many of these well heads are above sea level. I know because I have almost hit them while sailing a night. These wells are old...50-60 years and I promise you these aren't leaking. And actually the oil companies have all these wells periodically inspected by such companies as Halliburton. It is cheap insurance. If these wells need attention they get fixed. Do you actually believe that the oil companies would deliberately allow a leak to occur when they know the consequences? Remember, we still don't know what really happened to cause this spill.
Will

Columbus, OH

#14 Jul 8, 2010
The laughing liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
Why? Left wing liberals don't run in the gun forums.
So you pretty much admit you're only trolling? OK.
Will

Columbus, OH

#15 Jul 8, 2010
sailorman2 wrote:
<quoted text>No I do not have proof. However many of these well heads are above sea level. I know because I have almost hit them while sailing a night. These wells are old...50-60 years and I promise you these aren't leaking. And actually the oil companies have all these wells periodically inspected by such companies as Halliburton. It is cheap insurance. If these wells need attention they get fixed. Do you actually believe that the oil companies would deliberately allow a leak to occur when they know the consequences? Remember, we still don't know what really happened to cause this spill.
I was sorta with you up until that last sentence.

"..we still don't know what really happened to cause this spill" ??

Yes, we do. Bad and unsafe drilling procedures allowed a methane bubble to come back up the pipe and blow up on the platform, destroying it and taking the pipe down with it and rupturing it. That's pretty much the story...

Since: Aug 09

Southern Ohio

#16 Jul 8, 2010
I'm no fan of Rolling Stone Mag. but they did an outstanding job on this article.

I just finished reading this article and my feelings about the Bush & Obama administrations is ... A Pox on of them!

This is an in-depth (8 page) article about the cozy relationship MMS had with the oil industry (BP in particular) and how both administrations condoned and facilitated it.
http://tinyurl.com/2gyo76c

Since: Dec 08

Medina, TX

#17 Jul 9, 2010
Will wrote:
<quoted text>
I was sorta with you up until that last sentence.
"..we still don't know what really happened to cause this spill" ??
Yes, we do. Bad and unsafe drilling procedures allowed a methane bubble to come back up the pipe and blow up on the platform, destroying it and taking the pipe down with it and rupturing it. That's pretty much the story...
We know the factors involved but not the cause. Also, is it possible that if they had just let the gas and oil burn as it came out of the well and not poured untold how much water on it that it would not have sank and broken the pipe a mile deep?
Will

Columbus, OH

#18 Jul 9, 2010
sailorman2 wrote:
<quoted text>We know the factors involved but not the cause. Also, is it possible that if they had just let the gas and oil burn as it came out of the well and not poured untold how much water on it that it would not have sank and broken the pipe a mile deep?
Those "factors", as you put it, WERE the cause. Unsafe drilling was the cause.

And it seems to me that if you have people on a rig that's blazing, you fight the fire. I'd be very doubtful that merely pouring water on it caused it to collapse and sink.

The REAL reason the pipe ruptured and is still blasting out oil and gas is, of course, because their cutoff device failed. Another failure by the oil company involved.

Since: Dec 08

Medina, TX

#19 Jul 9, 2010
Will wrote:
<quoted text>
Those "factors", as you put it, WERE the cause. Unsafe drilling was the cause.
And it seems to me that if you have people on a rig that's blazing, you fight the fire. I'd be very doubtful that merely pouring water on it caused it to collapse and sink.
The REAL reason the pipe ruptured and is still blasting out oil and gas is, of course, because their cutoff device failed. Another failure by the oil company involved.
You are "probably" right. All we know for sure is that the bp failed for as yet unknown reasons. And the people were of off the rig almost immediately. And there are investigations ongoing about the advisability of pouring water on a gas fire. Red Adair proved that water doesn't work on gas. Lack of Oxygen does.
Bill Yens

United States

#20 Jul 9, 2010
they gave incentives in the 80`s to explore but kept the price up as a supply control value thus creating loop inflation that is still being felt in the ecomony 30 years later
davy

Albuquerque, NM

#21 Jul 10, 2010
I guess you didn't bother to read the article. I know you republicunts hate to be bothered with the facts.
sailorman2 wrote:
Are any of these wells leaking? No, they are not. Otherwise we would see the oil. Plus these are old shallow water wells sealed and capped because there wasn't enough oil to justify the expense of pumping it out. All this is, is just more scare tactics by the left wing environmental wackos.
Rico

Guatemala City, Guatemala

#22 Jul 10, 2010
"water already tainted by the massive BP spill"

"TAINTED"!!! such a soft word for such a travesty...

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