Senator Gillibrand Calls On Citizens To Help Oppose DADT Appeal

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If President Barack Obama wants to make sure that Dona t Ask, Dona t Tell stops right where it is, all he needs to do is tell Attorney General Eric Holder that the time has come to not doing something- and that is appeal the case before Federal Court Judge Virginia Phillips.

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“laugh until your belly hurts”

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#43 Oct 7, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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So you have the AUDACITY to claim thaT ALL OF THEINNOCENTS KILLED on 9-11 were NOT murdered ???!!!
YOU ARE INSANE IF YOU BELIEVE THAT !
stop screaming at me you twit and let go of your bitterness for long enough to think clearly for a change.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#45 Oct 8, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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The men of the New York Fire Department, and all other rescuers, some offical rescuers, some ordinary citizens are ALL heros for attemtping to rescue people from the Twin Towers.
YOU ARE F*CKING SCUM to say otherwise.
I never once said they weren't heros, all I said was it was a suicide mission. Their deaths can't be considered murder because they voluntarily put themselves in harms way AFTER the attack.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#46 Oct 8, 2010
It's their job to put themselves in harm's way. It's their duty. That makes al qaeda no less culpable for their deaths. THEIR actions, performed specifically to cause death and destruction, makes these peoples' deaths murder. You might as well say that a policeman shot while performing an arrest wasn't murdered because he knew there might be a risk. It's not what the victim knows, it's the actions and the motives of the killer (direct or indirect).
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I never once said they weren't heros, all I said was it was a suicide mission. Their deaths can't be considered murder because they voluntarily put themselves in harms way AFTER the attack.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#47 Oct 8, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I never once said they weren't heros, all I said was it was a suicide mission. Their deaths can't be considered murder because they voluntarily put themselves in harms way AFTER the attack.
So what you're saying is the ordinary citizens, not part of any governmental force, who rushed in to help people, are to blame for their own deaths. They should have all just ran away and not bothered to try to help anyone.

You're a DISGUSTING example of humanity.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#48 Oct 8, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I never once said they weren't heros, all I said was it was a suicide mission. Their deaths can't be considered murder because they voluntarily put themselves in harms way AFTER the attack.
I'd say you're "F*CKING SCUM" too, but your compatriot there already took that title.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#49 Oct 9, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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So what you're saying is the ordinary citizens, not part of any governmental force, who rushed in to help people, are to blame for their own deaths. They should have all just ran away and not bothered to try to help anyone.
You're a DISGUSTING example of humanity.
You really have trouble understanding English don't you.

I never said they should have run away or not helped. It was indeed a selfless act, but they WERE responsible for their own deaths. No one forced them to go into the twin towers.

If I see a house fire and go in to help rescue the people inside and end up dying, I AM responsible for my own death. My family can't blame it on whomever started the fire.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#50 Oct 9, 2010
cpeter1313 wrote:
It's their job to put themselves in harm's way. It's their duty. That makes al qaeda no less culpable for their deaths. THEIR actions, performed specifically to cause death and destruction, makes these peoples' deaths murder. You might as well say that a policeman shot while performing an arrest wasn't murdered because he knew there might be a risk. It's not what the victim knows, it's the actions and the motives of the killer (direct or indirect).
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That would be different because the police officer was killed directly by the perpetrator. An appropriate analogy would be if a police officer going to assist the first officer was hit & killed by another police car responding to the shooting, would the original killer be responsible for the 2nd officer's death?

Or an ambulance crashes on the way to a car accident and the EMTs are killed, are the drivers of the car accident responsible for the EMT's deaths?

The deaths of the police & firefighters on 9/11 were obviously related to the terrorist attack, but their deaths were not a direct result of the terrorist attack. If you're familiar with military terminology, they would be considered "collateral damage".

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#51 Oct 9, 2010
If people are killed when you are in the commission of a crime, you will be charged with murder, whether you shoot them or are in another room when a partner kills them. If your partner causes a gas leak and kills people standing outside the house, you will be charged with those deaths as well.

The fact that al qaeda was acting illegally creates responsibility for all deaths and injuries resulting from their actions. And yes, since they created the emergency situations in which these firefighters died, they are responsible for those deaths. Arsonists have been similarly charged in our courts.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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That would be different because the police officer was killed directly by the perpetrator. An appropriate analogy would be if a police officer going to assist the first officer was hit & killed by another police car responding to the shooting, would the original killer be responsible for the 2nd officer's death?
Or an ambulance crashes on the way to a car accident and the EMTs are killed, are the drivers of the car accident responsible for the EMT's deaths?
The deaths of the police & firefighters on 9/11 were obviously related to the terrorist attack, but their deaths were not a direct result of the terrorist attack. If you're familiar with military terminology, they would be considered "collateral damage".

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