Congressmen Want To Waive Gas Requirements In Wisconsin

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Republican Congressmen Mark Green and Paul Ryan are asking the Environmental Protection Agency to immediately waive reformulated gas requirements in Wisconsin.
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PETER MULLINS

New Berlin, WI

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Apr 27, 2006
 
Why dont we just eliminate or reduce the tax on gas instead of attacking the environment?
Another prime example of creating a problem by trying to fix it.Lets at least use some common sense,its not that hard.
Sandi

Roscoe, IL

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May 1, 2006
 
Eliminating the tax on gas would only make the problem worse. The cheaper price would cause people to be willing to drive more, therefore increasing demand.

People have been crying for more efficient vehicles and alternate energy sources. The increase in gas prices has caused a substantial jump in hybrid car sales as well as funding for alternate energy research.

We should be claiming victory, not wringing our hands.
tecmav

United States

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Aug 20, 2006
 
ok we can keep the tax but lets get ride of the 900 (maybe a little high) different blends with this county needin this blend and the next county or city not 2 miles away needs this blend.also we need more refineries. and why do people need these hugh SUV's to drive to work alone or going shopping. if you got good reason to own one so be it they do come in handy but does anyone have to have to have em. i aint saying go out and get death trape incite or whatever there called things are smaller then the geo metro was. they do make vechiles smaller than escalades and hummers. In all if you own a SUV and dont really need it for work then i think you should not be bitching about gas prices leave that to us sensable people who drive typical vehical one that can get over 18 miles to a gallon then by all means bitch like crazy.
Herman

Hudson, WI

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Aug 20, 2006
 
As oil gets harder to find and more rare and fuel gets higher priced, all kinds of alternate fuel options will become feasable. Hybrids are the first example. If our leaders stay out of the game, the economy will drive the transition to other fuels and modes of transportation. The government should tax fuel only enough to pay for the roads and should not fund alternate fuel options. Ethanol is a clasic example of what is wrong with the government trying to fix a problem. Ethanol uses as much energy than it delivers. Etthanol blends cut gas mileage. Light rail is another example of the government run amok. Light rail costs more per rider mile than any other mode of transportation. As oil becomes rare and gas prices rise, there will be less and less SUV's on the road. The problem will solve itself if the government stays out of the way. JMHO
clifford

Auburn Hills, MI

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Aug 22, 2006
 
why not just change the law..that force alcohol to sell at pump price of gas..compition would pop up every where..alcohol cost 50 cents a gallon to make burns clean..but must be sold at pump price of gasoline..out dated law that needs looked into..
Mike Johnston

Tampa, FL

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Aug 23, 2006
 
clifford wrote:
why not just change the law..that force alcohol to sell at pump price of gas..compition would pop up every where..alcohol cost 50 cents a gallon to make burns clean..but must be sold at pump price of gasoline..out dated law that needs looked into..
Are you sure about that 50 cents a gallon ? Seems low. I know most high grade alcohols are made from Propane because the stuff made from corn has too many impurities in it. Perhaps the cost you quote is prior to the secondary distillation and filtration that is required for automotive use.
Herman

Saint Paul, MN

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Aug 23, 2006
 
Doesn't ethanol have about two thirds the energy per gallon compared to gas so that when you buy 10% ethanol gasoline mix your mileage is about 15% less? They have E85 which is about 85% ethanoland 15% gas which works in some vehicles but gives about 40% less miles per gallon. The price of E85 is usually only a little lower than gasoline so there is no savings. Burning ethanol in your car today will cost more than burning pure gasoline. Ethanol also can not solve our dependence on imported oil because we would need to convert all of our corn to ethanol and it would still make up only a small percentage of our current energy needs. Ethanol production consumes energy both in growing the corn and producing the ethanol. Some people say it consumes more energy than it delivers. Here in Minesota, they are worried that there will not be enough water for all of the planned ethanol plants. It takes 5 gallons of water to produce one gallon of ethanol

All ethanol is subsidized and taxed by the government so it is real hard to calculate the exact cost.

Ethanol is not the answer. It is a diversion and big waste of resources and is slowing the move to the ultimate answer.
Mike Johnston

Tampa, FL

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Aug 24, 2006
 
Herman wrote:
Doesn't ethanol have about two thirds the energy per gallon compared to gas so that when you buy 10% ethanol gasoline mix your mileage is about 15% less? They have E85 which is about 85% ethanoland 15% gas which works in some vehicles but gives about 40% less miles per gallon. The price of E85 is usually only a little lower than gasoline so there is no savings. Burning ethanol in your car today will cost more than burning pure gasoline. Ethanol also can not solve our dependence on imported oil because we would need to convert all of our corn to ethanol and it would still make up only a small percentage of our current energy needs. Ethanol production consumes energy both in growing the corn and producing the ethanol. Some people say it consumes more energy than it delivers. Here in Minesota, they are worried that there will not be enough water for all of the planned ethanol plants. It takes 5 gallons of water to produce one gallon of ethanol
All ethanol is subsidized and taxed by the government so it is real hard to calculate the exact cost.
Ethanol is not the answer. It is a diversion and big waste of resources and is slowing the move to the ultimate answer.
I think most people look at brazil and get their numbers from Brazils ethanol system. Unfortunately for us the brazilians use sugar cane as the base stock for the ethanol. This produces a much more cost effective return as it is the sugar content of the corn/cane that produces the ethanol. You are correct in the numbers for ethanol. Most sources that aren't biased seem to think that ethanol is a break even fuel at best and a panacea for the masses. It doesn't really deliver much in the way of real relief.
Frodoe of Fort Monroe

Norfolk, VA

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Feb 26, 2011
 
So how would you people of Wisconsin like to see Army Base Fort Monroe become a national historic park!?

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